Might move to either LA or Philly..

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    Aug 16, 2010 7:15 PM GMT
    So, it appears I have not made it out here in New England.

    I can't find a good job, and the living situation has just turned sour.

    For right now I'm planning on going home for a couple of months or so and saving up to move somewhere else. My college roommate is moving to LA sometime next month. I know it's pretty expensive to live out there, but he's a really cool guy (straight with a girlfriend) and he's one of the best friends I've ever had. Also, one of my best girl friends is living in Philly, she says I could room with her too so that's another option.
    I would love to share an apartment with either of them, but the only problem is the money, which I don't have a lot of.

    Also, the interview process. I've been told I'm too humble and modest about my abilities to work hard and get things done, which doesn't make me a strong candidate in hiring managers' minds...

    I need to find a place where I can settle down for a while and just work and LIVE.

    Does anyone have any advise, or any way they could help me? I've tried a lot of things but it just never works out right...

    I need people in high places. I know I have the ability to be an amazing employee, it's just people need to discover me.

    Any input would help a lot.
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    Aug 16, 2010 8:41 PM GMT
    Allathlete saidI know I have the ability to be an amazing employee, it's just people need to discover me.
    What skills do you possess that would be an "amazing" benefit to a company? icon_wink.gif
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    Aug 16, 2010 8:48 PM GMT
    Well, if you think the grass is greener, think again. LA is a cesspool and I doubt philly is any better. But don't' take my word for it, I'd travel around and see what you like.
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    Aug 16, 2010 10:02 PM GMT
    Allathlete saidSo, it appears I have not made it out here in New England.

    I can't find a good job, and the living situation has just turned sour.

    For right now I'm planning on going home for a couple of months or so and saving up to move somewhere else. My college roommate is moving to LA sometime next month. I know it's pretty expensive to live out there, but he's a really cool guy (straight with a girlfriend) and he's one of the best friends I've ever had. Also, one of my best girl friends is living in Philly, she says I could room with her too so that's another option.
    I would love to share an apartment with either of them, but the only problem is the money, which I don't have a lot of.

    Also, the interview process. I've been told I'm too humble and modest about my abilities to work hard and get things done, which doesn't make me a strong candidate in hiring managers' minds...

    I need to find a place where I can settle down for a while and just work and LIVE.

    Does anyone have any advise, or any way they could help me? I've tried a lot of things but it just never works out right...

    I need people in high places. I know I have the ability to be an amazing employee, it's just people need to discover me.

    Any input would help a lot.


    Boston is a hard place to settle in. The northeast is depressed work-wise and you are competing with a lot of college grads from excellent schools. It's also a hard place to make friends.

    I don't know much about Philly except people seem to come from there to NYC to have fun. I'd think it would be friendlier but just as hard to find a job.

    Someone else here called LA a "cesspool"; generalizing like that about an area that is the most populous county in the the US with 10M people, with a total area of 4,752 square miles, is just not supportable or useful.

    Assuming you're going to live in the areas that people think of as LA - the strip that goes from Silverlake down to Santa Monica - then my experience is:

    - of course you need a car, and insurance, you have to drive everywhere.
    - its expensive but what you get is a lot nicer than what you get in Boston. You sometimes need A/C, you rarely need heat.
    - bad areas don't look like bad areas, and you need to ask around to find out where gangs are a problem
    - the weather is amazing, not perfect, but really good, and since you like to do athletic stuff it's excellent
    - the closer you live to where people you'd want to meet live the easier it is to make friends. I lived down in Santa Monica, everyone I met lived in Silverlake, and in rush hour after-work traffic it would take hours to get there. The city-based "let's get together after work" thing is really hard to do.
    - that part of LA is very much running on attractiveness as currency, especially for guys your age. Looking at your pics you should do fine, but meeting people with other values can be difficult

    Because of that last point I think you might have an easier time finding a job there than other places. Seriously, there's a general mindset that people who are pretty are better than people who aren't.

    That said I have friends there who love it and who tend towards bear a lot more than muscle, and they have done fine.

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    Aug 16, 2010 11:06 PM GMT
    Assuming the job situation is the same in both places, given you like the water, surfing, swimming, and volleyball, is there really a choice? Also, with all the outdoor activities, I think it would be easier for you to meet folks in So. Calif. Also, large gay communities.
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    Aug 16, 2010 11:14 PM GMT
    Allathlete saidSo, it appears I have not made it out here in New England.

    I can't find a good job, and the living situation has just turned sour.

    For right now I'm planning on going home for a couple of months or so and saving up to move somewhere else. My college roommate is moving to LA sometime next month. I know it's pretty expensive to live out there, but he's a really cool guy (straight with a girlfriend) and he's one of the best friends I've ever had. Also, one of my best girl friends is living in Philly, she says I could room with her too so that's another option.
    I would love to share an apartment with either of them, but the only problem is the money, which I don't have a lot of.

    Also, the interview process. I've been told I'm too humble and modest about my abilities to work hard and get things done, which doesn't make me a strong candidate in hiring managers' minds...

    I need to find a place where I can settle down for a while and just work and LIVE.

    Does anyone have any advise, or any way they could help me? I've tried a lot of things but it just never works out right...

    I need people in high places. I know I have the ability to be an amazing employee, it's just people need to discover me.

    Any input would help a lot.


    What's up bro! I am from Los Angeles and I went to school in Killadelphia.

    I neither know how old you are nor do I know how often, how far, or the longest amt of time you've spent away from a strong support system. Having some type of sturdy support system around makes it easier to get acclimated to your new life, especially in different city with completely different focus.

    While at Penn I wish I would have had family nearby. The first year was difficult b/c there were times where I absolutely hated everything about the city (in addition to the fact that the nicest part is surrounded on ALL sides by hood). Luckily, I had the university structure and fellow friends/classmates on which I could depend.

    So ABOUT KILLA KILLADELPHIA

    General:
    What's great about Philly is that it is a very walkable city and reasonably priced (for a big city). Everything you need is walking distance or easily accesible by public trans (SEPTA). I personally would not put too much stock in depending on living with best friends, unless you have lived with her/him in the past. Regardless of how highly you regard them, living with them 24/7 is different. With that said, living in Philly would give you more breathing room financially.

    Population:
    Definitely a hardcore blue collar town but also VERY STRONG college vibe due to the fact that there are over 100 colleges and universities in the area. Kids from Jersey, Deleware, New York (sometimes...lol), Maryland, etc...come to Philly to have fun.

    Nightlife:
    - Definitely a bar scene. Plenty of bars and pubs.
    - not that many clubs.
    - I do not know much about the gay nightlife there...I've never really been in to going to gay clubs.
    - a sizeable artsy scence, but nothing spectacular
    - plenty of mom and pop eateries

    Crime:
    - yeah ummmm...the nickname "Killadelphia" should be enough
    - I do not know where your friend lives, but pretty much most neighborhoods immediately surrounding center city (downtown) is straight up HOOD (like it puts west coast hoods to shame type hood)
    - it's high

    transportation:
    - SEPTA...takes you everywhere you need to go
    - Philly Car Share/Zip Car (or whatever it's called)...just in case you need to run several errands

    Rent:
    - much cheaper than LA

    Sports:
    - Philly fans are annoying b/c most of them don't know jack shit about sports and yet they yell and scream at you as if they do
    - teams are awesome though

    Weather:
    - better than New England weather...that's for sure

    In terms of jobs: The only direction in which I could point you is to UPENN.
    - Awesome benefits
    - they PAY for your classes if you want to take anything else or pursue a degree
    - and pay is pretty good

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    Aug 16, 2010 11:30 PM GMT
    About LOS ANGELES:

    General:
    Many people are spot on when they say the pretentiousness and fascination with everything material gets old and annoying really quickly. You might possibly meet many people who drive fast cars, but are in debt, and live with their mom. Generally living in LA will be expensive in every facet of life. If you do not have a good support system and/or sturdy job you could find yourself in hot water quickly.

    Population:
    - LA is sprawling, but most Cali newcomers are drawn to the coastal regions. Obviously this part of LA is quite expensive and many people who live and work in these areas fit the profile often emphasized in pop culture.
    - Not as much of a student friendly city as Philly. It helps to have a few contacts

    Nightlife:
    - extremely diverse...many options from which to choose
    - West Hollywood is basically equivalent to the gayborhood in Philly but much much larger. I cannot really give you info about that area b/c I do not spend time there.
    - plenty of things to do

    Transportation:
    - I hope you have access to a car.
    - pub trans is actually pretty large, but the city is much larger than what the pub trans system can efficiently support. It's getting better but, there's still alot of work to be done!

    Apt rent:
    - ummm...HIGH
    - you can find great deals still along the coast...just much further south like around Culver City, Westchester (basically LAX), Torrance, Palms, Venice, El Segundo etc......

    Sports:
    - awesome teams...many pretentious fans! Many are bandwagoners...LOL

    Weather: Pretty much really nice all the time. No real seasons. Just sunny, rainy, foggy (along the coast)/cloudy.

    Job options: I could not tell you.
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    Aug 17, 2010 1:16 AM GMT
    Wow, I'm loving the input you guys are giving on this subject. Makes me want to believe that realjock has some decent people once in a while.

    Thanks for all the input. The stress about my whole living situation is making me so uptight and anxious. I just gave my two weeks notice at the job I'm working at now ($8.00/hr retail) and am heading home to Michigan again to live with the rents for a while till I can make enough money and find a job where I want to go.
    Is it an ideal setup? Not really, but I figured having some support in a time like this could definitely help me get up on my feet.
    Plus, It would give me time to volunteer sometime during the week and weekends and start building a network of people I can trust and depend on to help me out in the future, most of which i already know though.

    The thought of moving to Cali excited me so much, but I think I'll have to put it on hold. i figure I don't have to get my life started right now, but I should be getting a solid base for the start of the life I want, and that involves MONEY.

    Thanks again for the input, and if anyone wants to offer me a job with good pay, I really am a hard worker, just look at the Alma College swimming and diving record board... My name is ALLL OVER IT.
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    Aug 17, 2010 1:33 AM GMT
    i moved to LA from new england 18 years ago, so i know what you'd be in for, if you move here. the best advice i can give you is, don't move anywhere until you're self-sufficient - meaning you either have a lot of money to tide you over until you find a job, or you have a job before you move. it makes no sense for you to risk being a financial burden on your friends. that will damage your relationship with them.

    as far as LA specifically - it's an expensive place to live, compared to new england. unemployment is higher here than it is in new england, and any fair-minded economist would tell you that california is at least a year behind the nation, in terms of coming out of the recession.

    if interviewing is a challenge for you, then practice. polish your resume. otherwise, you won't land a job, even if people give you leads or use their connections for you.
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    Aug 17, 2010 1:35 AM GMT
    Forget LA and Philly and move to Montreal if you can get a work visa. Cheap cost of living, friendly people with a laid back vibe, cosmopolitan and attractive populace, and, without a doubt, the best city to be gay in on the North American continent (sorry S.F. and NY but it is true).
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    Aug 17, 2010 1:47 AM GMT
    I like both towns... but I have to admit, I've never had to go there seeking employment. That makes the decision a whole lot tougher.

    Good luck with that. Given the severity of last winter, having just moved to DC from San Diego... I would be inclined to go for LA.
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    Aug 17, 2010 1:58 AM GMT
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    Allathlete saidI know I have the ability to be an amazing employee, it's just people need to discover me.
    What skills do you possess that would be an "amazing" benefit to a company? icon_wink.gif


    Yes, really. What is your skillset and which place would provide the most opportunities?

    I like to make a good ol pros and cons T-list. Put the PROS in one column and the CONS in the other for both cities, use the info you get here from people who have actually lived out what you're planning to do, and then hold your breath and pick one.

    It helps to know what you want in life, make a plan to get there, and have support from others every step of the way.

    I envy your youth but I don't miss my early twenties. For most, it's a period of difficult transitions and uncertainty.

    Courage!