"Follow Me and I will make you fishers of men."

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    Aug 18, 2010 10:33 PM GMT
    Does anyone else notice this passage seems as though it were a primitive yet, openly gay quote from Jesus?
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    Aug 18, 2010 10:37 PM GMT
    I said that before ever coming out of the closet.
    It seems as though he was a big proponent of "male bonding."
    However, there's no way of knowing whether or not it included penetrative sex.
  • commoncoll

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    Aug 18, 2010 11:00 PM GMT
    Oh, Lord!
  • Space_Cowboy_...

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    Aug 19, 2010 12:55 AM GMT
    WTF Why are you still here? Aren't you straight now?
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    Aug 19, 2010 2:04 AM GMT
    Matthew 4:19 is the reference for that verse.

    That passage had more to do with Jesus teaching them (the 12 disciples initially) to preach the gospel to others around them and ultimately to teach others (after Jesus departed) the same gospel.

    It's really a bit of a stretch to read any kind of sexual content into it, especially in the context of where Jesus was talking to Simon Peter and his brother (who were fisherman by trade).

    In my mind, the closest the New Testament comes to "hinting" at any kind of close male-male contact would be at the Last Supper, where "the disciple whom Jesus loved" resting his head in Jesus' bosom.

    Again, a bit of a stretch here to find sexual connotations - Middle Eastern cultures of that time allowed for much closer "personal bubbles" than we are accustomed to in Western European derived cultures, and gatherings of friends might be well at ease to lean on each other while reclining to eat.

    This disciple is strongly hinted as being the same young John who later would receive the Revelation at the Isle of Patmos as an elderly man and presumably the last surviving member of the original 12 apostles)

    I do consider the possibility that the New Testament has fulfilled the old Levitical injunctions (the famous shrimp & lobster, polyester & cotton blend, and two guy in the same bed laws peppered in various parts of Levicticus), rendering them moot.

    That is, if Christians absolved from the Levitical Laws about food and clothes... then it follows that the rest of them rules are set aside as well.

    In fact, the Apostles remarked upon this in a letter to a certain church:

    "As touching the Gentiles which believe, we have written and concluded that they observe no such thing, save only that they keep themselves from things offered to idols, and from blood, and from strangled, and from fornication." (Acts 21:25)

    Paul of Tarsus, however, did lay in a few very generally worded verses against catamitism and "effeminate" conduct, though this is but a small part of a much broader injunction against sexual immorality.
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    Aug 19, 2010 2:30 AM GMT
    Sadly I have way too much history/exposure to born again types in my family and in growing up. The term "going fishing" was used commonly as proselytizing and "saving people" and converts into a life knowing Christ.

    alphatrigger pretty much nailed it. Not sexual and my recovering southern baptist friends have brought up the concept that the new testament trumps Leviciticus BS. They're looking out for me lol