California Governor Candidate, Meg Whitman, Does NOT Support The US Constitutional Rights And She Would Fight Against Them

  • metta

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    Aug 22, 2010 5:13 AM GMT
    California Governor Candidate, Meg Whitman, Does NOT Support US Constitutional Rights And She Would Fight Against Them:

    http://kcbs.cbslocal.com/2010/08/21/whitman-on-gay-marriage-at-calif-gop-convention/




    http://digg.com/politics/CA_Gov_Cand_Meg_Whitman_Would_Fight_Against_Constitution
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    Aug 22, 2010 5:21 AM GMT
    This is not surprising. Republican candidates oppose gay marriage and oppose all gay rights. And those who support Republican candidates likewise oppose gay marriage and gay rights. You are supporting the positions of the candidates you support. Support a Republican, and you hate gays. That is difficult to deny, It's in the National Republican Party Platform. Kinda hard to rationalize that, though I know some here will try to spin it.
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    Aug 22, 2010 5:24 AM GMT
    WRONG FORUM.
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    Aug 22, 2010 6:38 AM GMT
    why u be fronting?....lolz

    as selfappointed rjmettareporterdude u supposed 2 bring uz da news with no bias. for misleading reporting u get a spank and nipple twist ...lolz
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    Aug 22, 2010 7:00 AM GMT
    nycjosh saidwhy u be fronting?....lolz

    as selfappointed rjmettareporterdude u supposed 2 bring uz da news with no bias. for misleading reporting u get a spank and nipple twist ...lolz


    Okay, it took me a second but I figured it out. I'm going to have to talk to google and suggest they get a NYCJOSH translator.
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    Aug 22, 2010 7:05 AM GMT
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    nycjosh saidwhy u be fronting?....lolz

    as selfappointed rjmettareporterdude u supposed 2 bring uz da news with no bias. for misleading reporting u get a spank and nipple twist ...lolz

    Okay, it took me a second but I figured it out. I'm going to have to talk to google and suggest they get a NYCJOSH translator.

    Yeah, this is a thread, not a text message. Learn to write whole sentences with real words. icon_razz.gif
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    Aug 22, 2010 7:06 AM GMT
    heartrobb said
    nycjosh saidwhy u be fronting?....lolz

    as selfappointed rjmettareporterdude u supposed 2 bring uz da news with no bias. for misleading reporting u get a spank and nipple twist ...lolz


    Okay, it took me a second but I figured it out. I'm going to have to talk to google and suggest they get a NYCJOSH translator.



    lolz...the algorithms be too cumplicayted for google. itz getting there but them technologies aint advanced enuff for dat yet....

    only the kewl and the hommiez get it....as for the rest...well icon_cool.gif
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    Aug 22, 2010 7:08 AM GMT
    nycjosh saidwhy u be fronting?....lolz

    as selfappointed rjmettareporterdude u supposed 2 bring uz da news with no bias. for misleading reporting u get a spank and nipple twist ...lolz

    u b rite - hez a litul left wing spin reporter who haz to alwaze post theze links - ques why - we kan gugl usselvz - he gona b spanked big tim
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    Aug 22, 2010 7:11 AM GMT
    Wilton saidThis is not surprising. Republican candidates oppose gay marriage and oppose all gay rights. And those who support Republican candidates likewise oppose gay marriage and gay rights. You are supporting the positions of the candidates you support. Support a Republican, and you hate gays. That is difficult to deny, It's in the National Republican Party Platform. Kinda hard to rationalize that, though I know some here will try to spin it.


    Why do you always spew out this type of rheortic? Believe it or not, there are conservative polictians who support gay marriage. Moreover, there is a growing number of conservative voters who also support gay marriage... especially amoung younger republicans.

    And did you know that our side won recently against Prop 8 in the courts (for now) because of *gasp* republican lawyer, Ted Olson? Your message of Republicans = anti-gay is getting old and is no longer true--this isn't the 1970's anymore. There is truth to your post, yes... but things are changing quite fast... and you seem not to recognize it--perhaps you don't want to. Last year when Maine past gay marriage through the state legislature... they did so with the support of a Republican. He made it possible.
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    Aug 22, 2010 7:12 AM GMT
    Wilton saidThis is not surprising. MOST Republican candidates oppose gay marriage and MOST oppose all gay rights.


    Shame on you! You should have know better. icon_confused.gif

    "Governor Schwarznegger along with Attorney General Jerry Brown, who is Whitman’s rival for the office, have announced that they will not defend Prop. 8 in court."

    Schwarznegger = Republican ---> Indifferent

    Whitman = Republican ----> Anti-Marriage Equality ----> Pro-Civil Unions <------Gay rights------> Equal but separate is better than none at all
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    Aug 22, 2010 7:13 AM GMT
    I hope she wins.

    She seems promising and gay marriage is not a priority over new jobs and fixing California.



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    Aug 22, 2010 7:38 AM GMT
    conscienti1984 saidWhy do you always spew out this type of rheortic? [sic] Believe it or not, there are conservative polictians [sic] who support gay marriage. Moreover, there is a growing number of conservative voters who also support gay marriage... especially amoung [sic] younger republicans.

    And did you know that our side won recently against Prop 8 in the courts (for now) because of *gasp* republican lawyer, Ted Olson? Your message of Republicans = anti-gay is getting old and is no longer true--this isn't the 1970's anymore.

    Please cite the official National Republican Party position on gay marriage and gay rights. Because if you don't I will, and you won't like it, and it won't agree with what you just posted.

    And I don't care what "some" conservative politicians think, and an undefined "growing number." It's what the Party leadership thinks, runs on, and votes on in Congress and State legislatures, that directs the Republican Party, and persecutes gays at every opportunity. Now you wanna talk about that, or some phantom friendly Republican gay movement that none of us have yet witnessed.

    And our side did not "win" against Prop 8 in court. It is all on appeal. Nothing has changed. Do read the actual court records.

    So what you posted is all imaginary. Now go back and try again. Because this is a tough audience, and you better have your facts straight, or you will get nailed.

    It's one of the things I love about RJ, because the guys here are as smart as they come. Even if it means they sometimes catch me in a mistake. And you, mister, aren't even a contender.
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    Aug 22, 2010 7:40 AM GMT
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    Wilton saidThis is not surprising. MOST Republican candidates oppose gay marriage and MOST oppose all gay rights.

    Shame on you! You should have know better. icon_confused.gif

    "Governor Schwarznegger along with Attorney General Jerry Brown, who is Whitman’s rival for the office, have announced that they will not defend Prop. 8 in court."

    Schwarznegger = Republican ---> Indifferent

    Whitman = Republican ----> Anti-Marriage Equality ----> Pro-Civil Unions <------Gay rights------> Equal but separate is better than none at all

    Not a bit. I said "most" not "all." I would contend that is correct.
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    Aug 22, 2010 7:54 AM GMT
    Wilton said
    A1EX said
    Wilton saidThis is not surprising. MOST Republican candidates oppose gay marriage and MOST oppose all gay rights.

    Shame on you! You should have know better. icon_confused.gif

    "Governor Schwarznegger along with Attorney General Jerry Brown, who is Whitman’s rival for the office, have announced that they will not defend Prop. 8 in court."

    Schwarznegger = Republican ---> Indifferent

    Whitman = Republican ----> Anti-Marriage Equality ----> Pro-Civil Unions <------Gay rights------> Equal but separate is better than none at all

    Not a bit. I said "most" not "all." I would contend that is correct.

    I don't think you said MOST. It was added to your quote.
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    Aug 22, 2010 8:11 AM GMT
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    conscienti1984 saidWhy do you always spew out this type of rheortic? [sic] Believe it or not, there are conservative polictians [sic] who support gay marriage. Moreover, there is a growing number of conservative voters who also support gay marriage... especially amoung [sic] younger republicans.

    And did you know that our side won recently against Prop 8 in the courts (for now) because of *gasp* republican lawyer, Ted Olson? Your message of Republicans = anti-gay is getting old and is no longer true--this isn't the 1970's anymore.

    Please cite the official National Republican Party position on gay marriage and gay rights. Because if you don't I will, and you won't like it, and it won't agree with what you just posted.

    And I don't care what "some" conservative politicians think, and an undefined "growing number." It's what the Party leadership thinks, runs on, and votes on in Congress and State legislatures, that directs the Republican Party, and persecutes gays at every opportunity. Now you wanna talk about that, or some phantom friendly Republican gay movement that none of us have yet witnessed.

    And our side did not "win" against Prop 8 in court. It is all on appeal. Nothing has changed. Do read the actual court records.

    So what you posted is all imaginary. Now go back and try again. Because this is a tough audience, and you better have your facts straight, or you will get nailed.

    It's one of the things I love about RJ, because the guys here are as smart as they come. Even if it means they sometimes catch me in a mistake. And you, mister, aren't even a contender.


    Please note that I stated we won the Prop 8 case "FOR NOW." Of course I realize that this case will be appealed to the 9th circuit and then probably to SCOTUS... where possibly one "swing" judge will determine the case (Justice Kennedy). I get all the e-mails from The Advocate, Task Force, Lambda Legal, PFLAG, GLAAD, GLSEN, Courage Campaign, HRC, etc.

    The ENTIRE point of my post was to show you that times are changing--nothing more. And yes, you should care about what conservative voters think. I don't necessarily care about the National Republican Party position--I actually believe the Texas GOP platform is probably worse. And my two Republican Senators hold the very same position on gay marriage as Obama. However, I realize there is a difference politically between Florida and New England--you probably hear a lot more anti-gay stuff from GOPers in your state than I do.

    What I'm more interested in and optimistic about is the growing number of conservatives who support gay marriage. I know six Republicans--they all support gay marriage and are socially liberal. As for the GOP leaders, they will do whatever they need to do in order to get re-elected. If public opinion shifts, I have no doubt that many GOP leaders will drop their attacks on LBGT issues (at least the leaders who are not blindly socially conservative).

    Finally, the social conservative movement is in a slump right now--there is no clear leader, and many would-be leaders are dying or old. Even younger social conservative care less about gay marriage and abortion than their parents and grandparents. Polls have shown younger evangelicals are more focused on social justice, humanitarian issues, and environmental sustainability.

    Again... my point was that times are changing, and I do not believe your 'black and white' rhetoric is wise or helpful for gaining more support from our republican friends. We need their support.

    And no, I'm not a conservative or a republican.... so don't even try! icon_wink.gif
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    Aug 22, 2010 8:23 AM GMT
    Wilton saidThis is not surprising. Republican candidates oppose gay marriage and oppose all gay rights. And those who support Republican candidates likewise oppose gay marriage and gay rights. You are supporting the positions of the candidates you support. Support a Republican, and you hate gays. That is difficult to deny, It's in the National Republican Party Platform. Kinda hard to rationalize that, though I know some here will try to spin it.


    That's not true, the following are Republicans:

    Ted Olson on gay marriage, probably going to the Supreme Court, on Fox News no less:


    Chief Judge Vaughn R. Walker who recently overturned Prop. 8 in California:
    Unconstitutional: Federal Court Overturns Proposition 8, Gay Marriage Ban in California

    I don't know of Scalia is a Republican but he seems really conservative and he said that as a result of Lawrence vs Texas decision that there is no rational or logical conclusion that can be made to deny homosexuals same-sex marriages in his dissenting opinion (not that he's fighting for homosexuals but at least he's not being blinded by personal ideology):

    (Taken from another post I made)

    Check it out (end of 2nd to last paragraph at link):

    LAWRENCE V. TEXAS - Scalia, J., dissenting

    If moral disapprobation of homosexual conduct is "no legitimate state interest" for purposes of proscribing that conduct, ante, at 18; and if, as the Court coos (casting aside all pretense of neutrality), "[w]hen sexuality finds overt expression in intimate conduct with another person, the conduct can be but one element in a personal bond that is more enduring," ante, at 6; what justification could there possibly be for denying the benefits of marriage to homosexual couples exercising "[t]he liberty protected by the Constitution," ibid.? Surely not the encouragement of procreation, since the sterile and the elderly are allowed to marry. This case "does not involve" the issue of homosexual marriage only if one entertains the belief that principle and logic have nothing to do with the decisions of this Court. Many will hope that, as the Court comfortingly assures us, this is so.


    If Scalia is coming to that conclusion then what left is there? Look at what he says in the last couple of lines in the above statement. Given Saclia's opinion there, how could he rule against gay marriage? He's basically saying there is no argument then to rule against gay marriage.
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    Aug 22, 2010 8:31 AM GMT
    AmdragN_Joe saidI hope she wins.

    She seems promising and gay marriage is not a priority over new jobs and fixing California.





    THANK YOU!!! I am so glad I'm not the only one that thinks this way! Honestly without the economy, the further south things go the more crime, the more homeless, the worse it'll be to live anywhere.
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    Aug 22, 2010 8:32 AM GMT
    AmdragN_Joe saidI hope she wins.

    She seems promising and gay marriage is not a priority over new jobs and fixing California.





    Your right social issues are not that big of a priority right now. I believe Gay Marriage will eventually be legal, it will just take time. Meg Whitman would be a great Governor. She is a businesswoman and anyone with business experience is what we need to get out of this mess.
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    Aug 22, 2010 9:03 AM GMT
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    AmdragN_Joe saidI hope she wins.

    She seems promising and gay marriage is not a priority over new jobs and fixing California.





    Your right social issues are not that big of a priority right now. I believe Gay Marriage will eventually be legal, it will just take time. Meg Whitman would be a great Governor. She is a businesswoman and anyone with business experience is what we need to get out of this mess.


    Why does it seem that most politicans are either business people or lawyers? I've always thought that we need a wide range of intellectuals from many various professions working in our government. Business people can screw up the economy too. Where are the teachers, biologists, economists, physicists, chemists, philosophers, psychologists, astronomers, medical doctors, mathematicians, etc.?

    This has nothing to do with Meg Whitman... I was just thinking out loud.
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    Aug 22, 2010 9:08 AM GMT
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    CHRISMA said
    AmdragN_Joe saidI hope she wins.

    She seems promising and gay marriage is not a priority over new jobs and fixing California.





    Your right social issues are not that big of a priority right now. I believe Gay Marriage will eventually be legal, it will just take time. Meg Whitman would be a great Governor. She is a businesswoman and anyone with business experience is what we need to get out of this mess.


    Why does it seem that most politicans are either business people or lawyers? I've always thought that we need a wide range of intellectuals from many various professions working in our government. Business people can screw up the economy too. Where are the teachers, biologists, economists, physicists, chemists, philosophers, psychologists, astronomers, medical doctors, mathematicians, etc.?

    This has nothing to do with Meg Whitman... I was just thinking out loud.


    I would like to see more candidates with backgrounds in sociology/psychology and computer sciences.

    More artist too.
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    Aug 22, 2010 9:09 AM GMT
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    CHRISMA said
    AmdragN_Joe saidI hope she wins.

    She seems promising and gay marriage is not a priority over new jobs and fixing California.





    Your right social issues are not that big of a priority right now. I believe Gay Marriage will eventually be legal, it will just take time. Meg Whitman would be a great Governor. She is a businesswoman and anyone with business experience is what we need to get out of this mess.


    Why does it seem that most politicans are either business people or lawyers? I've always thought that we need a wide range of intellectuals from many various professions working in our government. Business people can screw up the economy too. Where are the teachers, biologists, economists, physicists, chemists, philosophers, psychologists, astronomers, medical doctors, mathematicians, etc.?

    This has nothing to do with Meg Whitman... I was just thinking out loud.


    Business people have experience running their own businesses or have run major corporations. Thats how the government needs to be run. It seems that everything the government touches goes to ruin. We need to cut costs, bring down unemployment, and increase tax revenue. Most business people understand the way to achieving this is by cutting taxes across the board and cutting government spending.










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    Aug 22, 2010 9:11 AM GMT
    I also tend to favor people with military backgrounds for political office.
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    Aug 22, 2010 9:18 AM GMT
    lgswimr said
    AmdragN_Joe saidI hope she wins.

    She seems promising and gay marriage is not a priority over new jobs and fixing California.





    THANK YOU!!! I am so glad I'm not the only one that thinks this way! Honestly without the economy, the further south things go the more crime, the more homeless, the worse it'll be to live anywhere.


    THEN WHY SHE EVEN BUTHER.. MENTIONING IT? SHE WANTS VOTESSSSSSSSSSS..
    HOW CAN NOT BE A PRIORITY.. YOU HADEN'T HAD YOUR PARNER IN THE OPERATION TABLE.. I HAD..AND HE ALMOST DIE.. THE DOCTOR
    DIDN'T EVEN BOTHER TO COME AND TALK TO ME.. I HEARD IT FROM RECEPTION.. AND ONLY BECAUSE HE WAS ASKING AND YELLING FROM ME..(after the operation ofcourse). icon_question.gif
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    Aug 22, 2010 9:22 AM GMT
    DoomsDayAlpaca said
    conscienti1984 said
    CHRISMA said
    AmdragN_Joe saidI hope she wins.

    She seems promising and gay marriage is not a priority over new jobs and fixing California.





    Your right social issues are not that big of a priority right now. I believe Gay Marriage will eventually be legal, it will just take time. Meg Whitman would be a great Governor. She is a businesswoman and anyone with business experience is what we need to get out of this mess.


    Why does it seem that most politicans are either business people or lawyers? I've always thought that we need a wide range of intellectuals from many various professions working in our government. Business people can screw up the economy too. Where are the teachers, biologists, economists, physicists, chemists, philosophers, psychologists, astronomers, medical doctors, mathematicians, etc.?

    This has nothing to do with Meg Whitman... I was just thinking out loud.


    I would like to see more candidates with backgrounds in sociology/psychology and computer sciences.

    More artist too.


    Yes, all good! And smart people too. There's a strong anti-intellectual movement going on in the country. Obama and McCain visited 'Joe the Plumber' but what about 'Eugenie the Anthropologist?'
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    Aug 22, 2010 9:23 AM GMT
    santz7 said
    lgswimr said
    AmdragN_Joe saidI hope she wins.

    She seems promising and gay marriage is not a priority over new jobs and fixing California.





    THANK YOU!!! I am so glad I'm not the only one that thinks this way! Honestly without the economy, the further south things go the more crime, the more homeless, the worse it'll be to live anywhere.


    THEN WHY SHE EVEN BUTHER.. MENTIONING IT? SHE WANTS VOTESSSSSSSSSSS..
    HOW CAN NOT BE A PRIORITY.. YOU HADEN'T HAD YOUR PARNER IN THE OPERATION TABLE.. I HAD..AND HE ALMOST DIE.. THE DOCTOR
    DIDN'T EVEN BOTHER TO COME AND TALK TO ME.. I HEARD IT FROM RECEPTION.. AND ONLY BECAUSE HE WAS ASKING AND YELLING FROM ME..(after the operation ofcourse). icon_question.gif


    Because being accepted by the right wing is more important to some people.