conscienti1984 saidWhy do you always spew out this type of rheortic? [sic] Believe it or not, there are conservative polictians [sic] who support gay marriage. Moreover, there is a growing number of conservative voters who also support gay marriage... especially amoung [sic] younger republicans.
And did you know that our side won recently against Prop 8 in the courts (for now) because of *gasp* republican lawyer, Ted Olson? Your message of Republicans = anti-gay is getting old and is no longer true--this isn't the 1970's anymore.
Please cite the official National Republican Party position on gay marriage and gay rights. Because if you don't I will, and you won't like it, and it won't agree with what you just posted.
And I don't care what "some" conservative politicians think, and an undefined "growing number." It's what the Party leadership thinks, runs on, and votes on in Congress and State legislatures, that directs the Republican Party, and persecutes gays at every opportunity. Now you wanna talk about that, or some phantom friendly Republican gay movement that none of us have yet witnessed.
And our side did not "win" against Prop 8 in court. It is all on appeal. Nothing has changed. Do read the actual court records.
So what you posted is all imaginary. Now go back and try again. Because this is a tough audience, and you better have your facts straight, or you will get nailed.
It's one of the things I love about RJ, because the guys here are as smart as they come. Even if it means they sometimes catch me in a mistake. And you, mister, aren't even a contender.
Please note that I stated we won the Prop 8 case "FOR NOW." Of course I realize that this case will be appealed to the 9th circuit and then probably to SCOTUS... where possibly one "swing" judge will determine the case (Justice Kennedy). I get all the e-mails from The Advocate, Task Force, Lambda Legal, PFLAG, GLAAD, GLSEN, Courage Campaign, HRC, etc.
The ENTIRE point of my post was to show you that times are changing--nothing more. And yes, you should care about what conservative voters think. I don't necessarily care about the National Republican Party position--I actually believe the Texas GOP platform is probably worse. And my two Republican Senators hold the very same position on gay marriage as Obama. However, I realize there is a difference politically between Florida and New England--you probably hear a lot more anti-gay stuff from GOPers in your state than I do.
What I'm more interested in and optimistic about is the growing number of conservatives who support gay marriage. I know six Republicans--they all support gay marriage and are socially liberal. As for the GOP leaders, they will do whatever they need to do in order to get re-elected. If public opinion shifts, I have no doubt that many GOP leaders will drop their attacks on LBGT issues (at least the leaders who are not blindly socially conservative).
Finally, the social conservative movement is in a slump right now--there is no clear leader, and many would-be leaders are dying or old. Even younger social conservative care less about gay marriage and abortion than their parents and grandparents. Polls have shown younger evangelicals are more focused on social justice, humanitarian issues, and environmental sustainability.
Again... my point was that times are changing, and I do not believe your 'black and white' rhetoric is wise or helpful for gaining more support from our republican friends. We need their support.
And no, I'm not a conservative or a republican.... so don't even try!