Obama Has Taken Control of Our Food Supply !

  • Webster666

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    Aug 23, 2010 10:56 PM GMT
    In a blatantly Fascist attempt to take control of our nation's food supply and force more big government on our people, the black man who's living in our White House, even though he's not our President because his father was born in Kenya, is RAMMING legislation through Congress that would give the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) wider latitude to investigate and regulate egg farming, in light of the recent epidemic of salmonella tainted eggs.

    Call and write your Congress members to STOP this legislation. We have the god given RIGHT to poison ourselves with salmonella tainted eggs if we want to. If we let the DEMOCRAT Congress and the black man in our White House get away with this, they will be emboldened to take away our bacon, our home fries, and our toast.

    Stand up for your rights. Put a stop to big government takeover of our lives !
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    Aug 23, 2010 10:58 PM GMT
    Webster666 saidIn a blatantly Fascist attempt to take control of our nation's food supply and force more big government on our people, the black man who's living in our White House, even though he's not our President because his father was born in Kenya, is RAMMING legislation through Congress that would give the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) wider latitude to investigate and regulate egg farming, in lieu of the recent epidemic of salmonella tainted eggs.

    Call and write your Congress members to STOP this legislation. We have the god given RIGHT to poison ourselves with salmonella tainted eggs if we want to. If we let the DEMOCRAT Congress and the black man in our White House get away with this, they will be emboldened to take away our bacon, our home fries, and our toast.

    Stand up for your rights. Put a stop to big government takeover of our lives !


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    You could have said: I have the reasoning power of prepubescence

    ...and it would have had the same effect.
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    Aug 23, 2010 11:34 PM GMT
    mocktwinkie saidYou could have said: I have the reasoning power of prepubescence

    ...and it would have had the same effect.





    OBVIOUSLY, YOU WERE REFERRING TO SOUTHBEACH1500.
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    Aug 23, 2010 11:37 PM GMT
    The FDA cannot assume powers not specifically given to it by Congress. One of those powers missing is to issue a recall (rather than let the egg companies do it voluntarily). For this, new legislation is needed.

    When the FDA was first created in 1906, did the government know about drugs called biological agents (e.g. natalizumab and efalizumab--the latter has been voluntarily recalled by the maker while the former isn't)? No. Laws should and do change with the science.

    You're right that there are way too many rules, but we live in a complicated world. One of those rules missing happens to be the one regulating safe foods, and new legislation needs to put it in place.

    From Wikipedia:
    Important enabling legislation for the FDA includes:

    * 1902 – Biologics Control Act
    * 1906 – Pure Food and Drug Act
    * 1938 – Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act
    * 1944 – Public Health Service Act
    * 1951 – 1951 Food, Drug, and Cosmetics Act Amendments PL 82–215
    * 1962 – 1962 Food, Drug, and Cosmetics Act Amendments PL 87–781
    * 1966 – Fair Packaging and Labeling Act PL 89–755
    * 1976 – Medical Device Regulation Act PL 94–295
    * 1987 – Prescription Drug Marketing Act
    * 1988 – Anti–drug Abuse Act PL 100–690
    * 1990 – Nutrition Labeling and Education Act PL 101–535
    * 1992 – Prescription Drug User Fee Act PL 102–571
    * 1994 – Dietary Supplement Health and Education Act
    * 1997 – Food and Drug Administration Modernization Act 105-115
    * 2002 – Bioterrorism Act 107-188
    * 2002 – Medical Device User Fee and Modernization Act (MDUFMA) PL 107-250
    * 2003 – Animal Drug User Fee Act PL 108-130
    * 2007 – Food and Drug Administration Amendments Act of 2007
    * 2009 – Family Smoking Prevention and Tobacco Control Act
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    Webster666 said
    mocktwinkie saidYou could have said: I have the reasoning power of prepubescence

    ...and it would have had the same effect.





    OBVIOUSLY, YOU WERE REFERRING TO SOUTHBEACH1500.


    I wish I could say so, but no, you were the object of my reference my dear padawan.
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    Aug 23, 2010 11:57 PM GMT
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    q1w2e3 saidThe FDA cannot assume powers not specifically given to it by Congress. One of those powers missing is to issue a recall (rather than let the egg companies do it voluntarily). For this, new legislation is needed.


    I'm not sure I agree.

    One of the main missions of the FDA is to safeguard the food supply.

    To say that they haven't been doing this with the regulations already in place is incorrect, in my opinion.

    Or, perhaps, the USDA is at fault here?

    After all, when we buy eggs, meat, etc, there's a USDA inspected seal on the pacakge.

    So maybe we're looking at the wrong agency and it is the USDA that is at fault.




    WELL, SINCE THE REPUBLICANS DEREGULATED JUST ABOUT EVERYTHING, IT WILL TAKE A LONG TIME TO REINSTATE A PLETHORA OF REGULATIONS TO PROTECT AMERICA'S FOOD SUPPLY, AIR, WATER, ETC., FROM THE GREED OF BUSINESSES WHICH VALUE MONEY OVER HUMAN HEALTH AND SAFETY.
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    Aug 24, 2010 12:03 AM GMT
    southbeach1500 said
    To say that they haven't been doing this with the regulations already in place is incorrect, in my opinion.


    The USDA department that deals with eggs doesn't have the authority to issue a recall, only the manufacturer can:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Food_Safety_and_Inspection_ServiceRecalls are voluntary actions by manufacturers, distributors or importers to protect the public by removing from commerce products that are adulterated or misbranded.

    As soon as FSIS learns that a meat or poultry product under its jurisdiction may be unsafe or mislabeled is in commerce, the agency forms a team to determine whether a recall is needed. The Recall Committee is composed of FSIS representatives from various areas of expertise. The committee evaluates all the information available and makes a recommendation to the establishment whose product is in question, including the parameters of the recall.

    After a recall issued, FSIS conducts effectiveness checks to ensure that the company’s customers (or consignees) have received notice of the recall and are making every effort to retrieve and destroy the recalled product or return it to the recalling firm. FSIS personnel verify that the recalling firm has been diligent and successful in notifying and advising their consignees of the need to retrieve and control recalled product, and that the consignees have responded accordingly. FSIS has formal agreements with many state governments that allow those states to participate in effectiveness checks, thus improving the speed and effectiveness of recalls.

    When a product is recalled, FSIS issues a recall release to the media in the affected area, sends it to public health partners and stakeholders and posts it on the FSIS Web site. Individuals may sign up to receive an automatic e-mail notification when the FSIS recalls Web page is updated.

    In certain situations where a recall is not warranted, but there is still a risk to public health, FSIS may issue a public health alert. PHAs have been issued when a product was not considered adulterated, but illnesses were involved; when illnesses were associated with a meat or poultry product, but a source of contamination was not identified; or a product is no longer available in commerce, but may be held or in use by consumers.
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    Aug 24, 2010 1:05 AM GMT
    You have to realize that detecting a salmonella outbreak is no mean feat in itself and to find out the source of contamination (once you identify via epidemiological methods after several months of data) may take months also.
    http://www.cdc.gov/outbreaknet/investigations/investigating.html
    Look at the time frame in the curve from the CDC report:
    http://www.cdc.gov/salmonella/enteritidis/

    http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2009/04/26-1Even though the FDA is responsible for 75 percent of the food supply, the USDA actually gets 80 percent of the food safety funding, though its responsibilities are limited to meat and poultry.



    And do you still want a 15% reduction in the number of federal employees when the FDA is already overstretched, now that we need to inspect foreign drugs and devices too?

    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/29/business/worldbusiness/29iht-fda.1.9575958.html

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    Aug 24, 2010 1:10 AM GMT
    I think this is sadly funny and yet ironic. I've put up posts about Sen. Joe Liberman wanting to censor and ultimately shut down the current internet that we all enjoy using through Obama to make room for this new "Internet 2" system that's supposed to now be shoveled off to Verizon and Google to finish, "the deal." But guess what? People thought I was joking, laughed or made fun of my post and went on their merry way writing me off as the all too famous "Conspiracy Theorist." Good luck on trying to get any or few sane people to take you seriously on this one. My favorite example: Many love to watch the ocean tides recede back from the shore, scratching their heads as the tsunami comes inland........
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    Aug 24, 2010 1:36 AM GMT
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    q1w2e3 said
    And do you still want a 15% reduction in the number of federal employees when the FDA is already overstretched, now that we need to inspect foreign drugs and devices too?

    Yep.

    They would have missed it whether they had 15% more or 15% less employees.


    ...and taken about 2 months longer to find out where the tainted eggs are coming from.

    Or 4 months, if you pay them 25% less salary.

    Or never, if you just cut the CDC's and FDA's budgets out (since you're talking about cutting expenditures), and trust the likes of the sleazy businessman who's behind all the tainted eggs and other EPA infractions.

    US budget 2010: 3.6 trillion
    $663.7 billion (+12.7%) – Department of Defense (including Overseas Contingency Operations)
    $26.0 billion (+8.8%) – Department of Agriculture
    FDA budget: $3.2 billion.

    SB, you're just a pessimist.
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    InformedSociety saidI think this is sadly funny and yet ironic. I've put up posts about Sen. Joe Liberman wanting to censor and ultimately shut down the current internet that we all enjoy using through Obama to make room for this new "Internet 2" system that's supposed to now be shoveled off to Verizon and Google to finish, "the deal." But guess what? People thought I was joking, laughed or made fun of my post and went on their merry way writing me off as the all too famous "Conspiracy Theorist." Good luck on trying to get any or few sane people to take you seriously on this one. My favorite example: Many love to watch the ocean tides recede back from the shore, scratching their heads as the tsunami comes inland........


    When I was a kid Joe Lieberman wanted to ban video games once the first Mortal Kombat came out.

    I've hated him ever since.
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    Aug 24, 2010 1:44 AM GMT
    Then, pray, what would you want the government to do to people like Mr. DeCoster (the owner of the 2 egg farms involved)? Capital punishment? Come up with a reasonable solution please other than less government (because we know that won't work, at least in the case of the FDA).

    And no, I couldn't have predicted the timelines (they are just for fun) and yet I could have said 100% that if you cut any more funding from the FDA, you will have more of such outbreaks in the future.

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    Aug 24, 2010 1:47 AM GMT
    SBGood lord, with a $3.2 billion budget, the FDA can't perform it's rather limited job?


    Good god, don't speak of things of which you don't understand. I can't even comprehend the time table of drug and device approvals (which is just a small part of the FDA's job) and I work in the medical field.

    And people want faster and safer approvals of drugs all the time as if they are entitled to snake oil. Sheesh.
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    Aug 24, 2010 2:32 AM GMT
    Again, you know not of what you speak. The FDA regulates about $1 trillion worth of goods every year (including drugs, food, etc), including 1/3 of imports.

    Divide $3.2 billion by $1 trillion and tell me you're not getting your money's worth for safe food and drugs. Unless you're absolutely nuts and want people to work for free.

    And nobody's perfect, so don't tell me that the Avandia debacle and this egg/salmonella teapot crisis show that the FDA isn't doing their job, because next time you go to the doctor and get a drug prescription, the FDA is doing their job.

    SBOh, I don't know... maybe shut him down?


    They (both state and federal people) tried to do exactly that, to the limit of the law:
    http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/2010-08-22-supplier-violations-egg-recall_N.htmDeCoster is no stranger to controversy in his food and farm operations:

    —In 1994, the state of Iowa assessed at least four separate penalties against DeCoster Farms for environmental violations, many of them involving hog waste.

    —In 1997, DeCoster Egg Farms agreed to pay $2 million in fines to settle citations brought in 1996 for health and safety violations at DeCoster's farm in Turner, Maine. The nation's labor secretary at the time, Robert Reich, said conditions were "as dangerous and oppressive as any sweatshop." Reich's successor, Alexis Herman, called the state of the farms "simply atrocious," citing unguarded machinery, electrical hazards, exposure to harmful bacteria and other unsanitary conditions.

    —In 2000, Iowa designated DeCoster a "habitual violator" of environmental regulations for problems that included hog manure runoff into waterways. The label made him subject to increased penalties and prohibited him from building new farms.

    —In 2002, the federal Equal Employment Opportunity Commission announced a more than $1.5 million settlement of an employment discrimination lawsuit against DeCoster Farms on behalf of Mexican women who reported they were subjected to sexual harassment, including rape, abuse and retaliation by some supervisory workers at DeCoster's Wright County plants.

    —In 2007, 51 workers were arrested during an immigration raid at six DeCoster egg farms. His farms had been the subject of at least three previous raids.

    —In June 2010, Maine Contract Farming, the successor company to DeCoster Egg Farms, agreed in state court to pay $25,000 in penalties and to make a one-time payment of $100,000 to the Maine Department of Agriculture over animal cruelty allegations that were spurred by a hidden-camera investigation by an animal welfare organization.
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    southbeach1500 said
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    SBGood lord, with a $3.2 billion budget, the FDA can't perform it's rather limited job?


    Good god, don't speak of things of which you don't understand. I can't even comprehend the time table of drug and device approvals (which is just a small part of the FDA's job) and I work in the medical field.

    And people want faster and safer approvals of drugs all the time as if they are entitled to snake oil. Sheesh.

    We're not talking about $3.2 million. We are talking about $3.2 Billion.

    That is a huge amount of real money. (Yes I know in Washington DC, that is just viewed as pocket change - and that's a big part of the problem).


    Based on the US population, the FDA spends $9.60 per citizen annually to safeguard our food, drugs and medical devices. Less than $10 per person seems like a pretty good deal to me. But if you don't think so, what do you think is the appropriate cost per citizen?

    For those of you who want "less" government or "cheaper" government, how do you expect it to cost less for an ever-expanding population in an ever-increasingly complicated world where information moves nearly at the speed of thought, virus and bacteria travel between continents in a matter of days (as opposed to months or years), and capital is no longer bound to any country?

    You complain of "waste" but can only cite the occasional outlier and seems to believe profits uber alles. I truly believe that if you were forced to live in a country or world where the policies you advocate actually became law, you would not enjoy it very much.
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    Christian73For those of you who want "less" government or "cheaper" government, how do you expect it to cost less for an ever-expanding population in an ever-increasingly complicated world where information moves nearly at the speed of thought, virus and bacteria travel between continents in a matter of days (as opposed to months or years), and capital is no longer bound to any country?


    Can't agree more. That's why conservative thought (which is predicated on keeping the world the same as much as possible, even if it means to think unscientifically or anti-historically) is a disease, as somebody already pointed out in a psychology meta-analysis.

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    Aug 24, 2010 3:06 AM GMT
    Webster666 said... and regulate egg farming, in lieu of the recent epidemic of salmonella tainted eggs.

    in lieu of???? ... icon_eek.gif
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    It's only big gov't when it's coming to save someone else. When the gov't is coming to save you, it's what you pay taxes for.
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    Aug 24, 2010 3:11 AM GMT
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    Webster666 said
    WELL, SINCE THE REPUBLICANS DEREGULATED JUST ABOUT EVERYTHING, IT WILL TAKE A LONG TIME TO REINSTATE A PLETHORA OF REGULATIONS TO PROTECT AMERICA'S FOOD SUPPLY, AIR, WATER, ETC., FROM THE GREED OF BUSINESSES WHICH VALUE MONEY OVER HUMAN HEALTH AND SAFETY.


    WHY ARE YOU TYPING IN ALL CAPS?????

    And to what specific regulations relating to the USDA and FDA are you referring?




    ALL OF THE REGULATIONS THAT WERE WEAKENED OR ELIMINATED BY THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION AND THE REPUBLICANS...
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    Aug 24, 2010 3:13 AM GMT
    InformedSociety saidI think this is sadly funny and yet ironic. I've put up posts about Sen. Joe Liberman wanting to censor and ultimately shut down the current internet that we all enjoy using through Obama to make room for this new "Internet 2" system that's supposed to now be shoveled off to Verizon and Google to finish, "the deal." But guess what? People thought I was joking, laughed or made fun of my post and went on their merry way writing me off as the all too famous "Conspiracy Theorist." Good luck on trying to get any or few sane people to take you seriously on this one. My favorite example: Many love to watch the ocean tides recede back from the shore, scratching their heads as the tsunami comes inland........





    It was satire...
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    Aug 24, 2010 3:16 AM GMT
    q1w2e3 said
    southbeach1500 said
    q1w2e3 said
    And do you still want a 15% reduction in the number of federal employees when the FDA is already overstretched, now that we need to inspect foreign drugs and devices too?

    Yep.

    They would have missed it whether they had 15% more or 15% less employees.


    ...and taken about 2 months longer to find out where the tainted eggs are coming from.

    Or 4 months, if you pay them 25% less salary.

    Or never, if you just cut the CDC's and FDA's budgets out (since you're talking about cutting expenditures), and trust the likes of the sleazy businessman who's behind all the tainted eggs and other EPA infractions.

    US budget 2010: 3.6 trillion
    $663.7 billion (+12.7%) – Department of Defense (including Overseas Contingency Operations)
    $26.0 billion (+8.8%) – Department of Agriculture
    FDA budget: $3.2 billion.

    SB, you're just a pessimist.





    And, then Southbeach1500 would have posted a thread with a screaming headline, claiming that Obama intentionally did nothing while millions of Americans died from salmonella poisoning.
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    Aug 24, 2010 3:25 AM GMT
    southbeach1500 said
    q1w2e3 saidThen, pray, what would you want the government to do to people like Mr. DeCoster (the owner of the 2 egg farms involved)? Capital punishment? Come up with a reasonable solution please other than less government (because we know that won't work, at least in the case of the FDA).

    And no, I couldn't have predicted the timelines (they are just for fun) and yet I could have said 100% that if you cut any more funding from the FDA, you will have more of such outbreaks in the future.


    Oh, I don't know... maybe shut him down?

    Restaurants get shut down all the time by the health departments. And if the FDA or USDA don't have the authority to do that, well, then, our dopey representatives have screwed up big time (and not the first time, sadly).





    A REPUBLICAN SUGGESTING THAT A BUSINESS SHOULD BE SHUT DOWN ???
    BLASPHEMY !!

    AND, AT THE SAME TIME, YOU'RE AGAINST ANY GOVERNMENT REGULATIONS.

    SOMETHING DOESN'T ADD UP.

    WITH THE PROPER GOVERNMENT REGULATIONS COVERING EGG PRODUCTION, AND ENOUGH PEOPLE TO INSPECT THE EGG FARMS REGULARLY TO ENSURE COMPLIANCE WITH THOSE REGULATIONS, THERE WOULD HAVE BEEN NO SALMONELLA EPIDEMIC.

    INCIDENTALLY, THIS SAME EGG FARMER HAS BEEN CITED COUNTLESS TIMES FOR UNSAFE EGG PRODUCTION PRACTICES.

    JUST LIKE BP BEING CITED COUNTLESS TIMES FOR SAFETY VIOLATIONS ON THEIR GULF OIL RIG THAT EXPLODED...
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    Aug 24, 2010 3:29 AM GMT
    Well you know the "hard righties" are going to say that Obama has made a deal with aliens so that economic and social goals will be reached.

    I'm waiting for it.
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    HndsmKansan saidWell you know the "hard righties" are going to say that Obama has made a deal with aliens so that economic and social goals will be reached.

    I'm waiting for it.


    And don't forget, 20% of Americans apparently think that Obama is a Muslim.