Tom of Finland

  • GQjock

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    Aug 24, 2010 1:22 AM GMT
    I don't think any man made a BeeLine ..... right to where SEX lies
    at least for a Gay Man Than Tom of Finland did

    and Yes .... he was from Finland

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    Aug 24, 2010 1:34 AM GMT
    Yeah, we've got some of his stuff, even a GI Joe-type action figure. (Though GI Joe was never hung like this! icon_eek.gif ) I even used to have a Tom of Finland badge on the back of several of my motorcycles, rode them to Sturgis & Daytona that way, though doubt the "civilians" knew what it was.

    You can still buy official stuff licensed by the Tom of Finland Foundation.

    http://www.tomoffinlandfoundation.org/

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    Aug 24, 2010 8:46 AM GMT
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    I love Tom of Finland drawings!

    This one in particular looks a tad more realistic, like it could actually be someone. Very sexy!
  • fitartistsf

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    Aug 24, 2010 12:17 PM GMT
    How about the art of Harry Bush? (yes, real name....)
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    Aug 24, 2010 12:21 PM GMT
    TOF always did and will be completey erotic/sexy! When I first saw the toons I was like ...YES someone's mind works like mine...FINALLY! icon_razz.gif

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  • MikemikeMike

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    Aug 24, 2010 12:31 PM GMT
    I was gonna say something similar his art is very erotic and he's a very talented artist. Check him out.icon_idea.gif
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    Aug 24, 2010 12:51 PM GMT
    TOF is too iconic and seminal for me to even see it on a level of physical arousal anymore.
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    Aug 24, 2010 12:52 PM GMT
    MikemikeMike saidI was gonna say something similar his art is very erotic and he's a very talented artist. Check him out.icon_idea.gif


    It's still early, so far this is clearly the understatement of the day!
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    Aug 24, 2010 1:04 PM GMT
    Ciarsolo saidTOF is too iconic and seminal for me to even see it on a level of physical arousal anymore.

    TOF art was almost always too exaggerated to be taken realistically. Its value for me was that such art for gay men existed. And sometimes the importance wasn't a freakish physique and an improbable bulge under skintight clothes, but rather the interactive gay moments his groupings could provide at times.

    An example is the first of the OP's pics, with the sailor at the bar. Just 2 guys cruising, sizing each other up, and not just the size in their pants. In fact, I think that piece would work better WITHOUT those bulges, which I feel distract from the more interesting moment we're glimpsing between those 2 guys.

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  • Kage

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    Aug 24, 2010 1:24 PM GMT
    TOF is homo-erotic fantasy, nothing more and nothing less.
    It is iconic in it's purest form.
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    Aug 24, 2010 1:36 PM GMT
    MuchMoreThanMuscle saidTo be honest, I am sort of sick of the whoreness of it all. Now that I am seeing this artwork along with Herb Ritts and then the movies that are gay themed like A Single Man...all I am seeing is so many artists' impressions of what being gay is about. It is either highly sexualized cartoonish looking men with extreme bulges in their pants cruising each other, or typical tragedy in movies like A Single Man and then there is shit like Will and Grace with the stereotypical Jack effeminate role or Herb Ritts tasteful yet homoerotic art of unbelievably perfect males that make up like .000000000001 of the world population and know how to take steroids and diuretics at the right time for that ultra-ripped look.
    All this shit is over the top. It is either highly sexual, suicidal, or super queeny. I am not saying that what I see is bad but that what I see seems only related to a few stereotypes.
    I am not relating to any of it anymore. I find it more entertaining to talk with my RJ bitchuz who keep it real. Well..that is for those that are real and not playing games on here with their several profiles/identities.


    Desensitization.
    It happens with 'everything' (exaggeration perhaps?), like eating superb chocolate every day. After a while it just isn't superb and wouldn't be missed if avoided for a long time. (I know, there are exceptions but apt parallel here.)
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    Aug 24, 2010 1:43 PM GMT
    MuchMoreThanMuscle saidTo be honest, I am sort of sick of the whoreness of it all. Now that I am seeing this artwork along with Herb Ritts and then the movies that are gay themed like A Single Man...all I am seeing is so many artists' impressions of what being gay is about. It is either highly sexualized cartoonish looking men with extreme bulges in their pants cruising each other, or typical tragedy in movies like A Single Man and then there is shit like Will and Grace with the stereotypical Jack effeminate role or Herb Ritts tasteful yet homoerotic art of unbelievably perfect males that make up like .000000000001 of the world population and know how to take steroids and diuretics at the right time for that ultra-ripped look.



    You're comparing all these side-by-side as if they were produced one after the other last week. Tom of Finland is mid-20th century, and depicts a very real sub-culture and understanding of homosexual lifestyle and fetishizing that precludes anything like it. The chronological context is absolutely critical.
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    Aug 24, 2010 1:46 PM GMT
    I confess to having had a ham shank or two or more to gay "art", including our tom. icon_redface.gif
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    Aug 24, 2010 1:52 PM GMT
    MuchMoreThanMuscle saidBut that is the thing. If you garble it all together you really do not see something all that different from one artist versus another. How about show some gay artists that focuses his work on something other than some unattainable physical form?


    You can't garble it all together. That's like saying Matisse was a shit artist because his drawings don't have the figural mastery of a Sanzio. They're two completely different yet equal important stages of art history. Today you can slap a drawing of a leather daddy on a window and sell a dildo with it as an advertisement. Try doing that in 1950.
  • Kage

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    Aug 24, 2010 1:57 PM GMT
    Brit_Bloke saidI confess to having had a ham shank or two or more to gay "art", including our tom. icon_redface.gif


    Me too.icon_redface.gif
    I collected the stuff when I was younger and have lots of fun yet sticky memories of TOF.
    /sigh
  • Kage

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    Aug 24, 2010 1:59 PM GMT
    MuchMoreThanMuscle saidBut that is the thing. If you garble it all together you really do not see something all that different from one artist versus another. How about show some gay artists that focuses his work on something other than some unattainable physical form?


    The first thing to do is to look at the art and artist in context to the era that the work takes place.
    It is all about context.
  • Kage

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    Aug 24, 2010 2:03 PM GMT
    MuchMoreThanMuscle saidUnderstood but I am sick of all the iconic gay art that is nothing more than porn, sex or unrealistic muscled bodies with 15" long dicks as fat as a wrist. Whatever happened to art imitating life? Gay art seems to create an unattainable standard that I think a lot of gay men feel pressured to emulate.


    I disagree.
    First of all define gay art.
    Art that depicts being gay or art created by gay.
    Crude word usage was intentional.

    There are myriad of other gay artists or gay art that depicts other than the typical sterotypical homosexual lifestyle and it's nuances.

    I prefer to look at art for the sake of art not because of what it depicts or by whom it is created.

    A work by Miro is as fascinating as a piece by Rodin and as fascinating as a panel by Skotness.

    Gay art only creates the unattainable standard for emulation because it is depicting that.
    The viewer needs to be aware and understand what is attainable and what is not i.e. what is real and what is not.


  • Kage

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    Aug 24, 2010 2:05 PM GMT
    MuchMoreThanMuscle saidUnderstood but I am sick of all the iconic gay art that is nothing more than porn, sex or unrealistic muscled bodies with 15" long dicks as fat as a wrist. Whatever happened to art imitating life? Gay art seems to create an unattainable standard that I think a lot of gay men feel pressured to emulate.


    Icon is a simplistic depiction or representation of an object/idea/concept.
    It does not capture the nuances of the subject but merely hints at them.
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    Aug 24, 2010 2:07 PM GMT
    hmm don't know what this is about...... +1..... ;3
  • Kage

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    Aug 24, 2010 2:38 PM GMT
    MuchMoreThanMuscle saidWell then start a post and show some of Miro's work. I will admit that I am not aggressive when it comes to seeking out art but walk into a gay bookstore, no not a sex bookstore I mean a legitimate one and you will see photography books draped all over the windows showing naked male bodies in black and white. From Tom of Finland, to Herb Ritts to Robert Mapplethorpe toTom Bianchi...it is all the same.

    It was cool for Ritts to photograph Jack Nicholson with a magnifying glass over his smile to accentuate his maniacal expressive grin. There is nothing I find sexually appealing about that man. I will also take a guess that none of you do either. But the photograph was amazing. But it is not beautiful or clever or witty or amazing to photograph two men in their 40's or 50's who are really in love and are committed to each other. If Ritts photographed two men together in some loving embrace they were always perfect and shaved smooth, typical stuff that so many people have repeated over a decade later.



    Miro is not a gay artist.
    He was part of the Dada movement and painted anthropomorphic art.

    It seems that you are ranting about the gay institution and its representation of the homosexual male in general to be honest.

    I have stopped watching gay movies, gay series etc a long time ago for the very reason you are describing.

    All gay movies and series from latter days to Queer as Folk etc.
    There are always some kind of trial and tribulation that has to be gone through by the gay protagonist before he finds his love of of his life.

    Always some form of punishment or sacrifice required for what I consider for "being gay".
    Whether it is the estrangement of family, the loss of a loved one or simple fact of disease. It is always present. The gay protagonist never escapes unscathed.

    The representation of the gay male in physical form or in relationship will always have a stigma or stereotype attached to him or it.
    It is a fact of life. The only thing you can do is to fight against the stereotype.
    It will however still be there.

    As for art.
    Beauty is in the eye of the beholder and since most of the great masses are sheeple it will be dificult to fight against what is considered the "norm".

  • Kage

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    Aug 24, 2010 2:55 PM GMT
    MuchMoreThanMuscle saidI do not have the energy to fight. Just had a few gusts of wind in me to express how I felt about it all. Okay I am done, I will stop whining now. icon_wink.gif


    Already?
    Guys seem to give up so easily nowadays.
    No more stamina...
    /sigh

    I actually enjoyed the little discussion to be honest.
    Good discussions are few to be had here at times.
    Never thought you were whining btw. icon_wink.gif
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    Aug 24, 2010 3:15 PM GMT
    Kage said
    Brit_Bloke saidI confess to having had a ham shank or two or more to gay "art", including our tom. icon_redface.gif


    Me too.icon_redface.gif
    I collected the stuff when I was younger and have lots of fun yet sticky memories of TOF.
    /sigh


    I'm sure you guys are familiar with his Kake comics. Yeah, whoever looks at his works and not get aroused is probably dead. icon_cool.gif
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    Aug 24, 2010 3:18 PM GMT
    Kage said
    MuchMoreThanMuscle saidI do not have the energy to fight. Just had a few gusts of wind in me to express how I felt about it all. Okay I am done, I will stop whining now. icon_wink.gif


    Already?
    Guys seem to give up so easily nowadays.
    No more stamina...
    /sigh

    I actually enjoyed the little discussion to be honest.
    Good discussions are few to be had here at times.
    Never thought you were whining btw. icon_wink.gif


    No MuchMore, dont stop! (Oo that sounds kinky, lol!)
    Anyway, you brought up a very interesting point, and I do see it. continue with the discussion.
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    Aug 24, 2010 3:23 PM GMT
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    I love Tom of Finland drawings!

    This one in particular looks a tad more realistic, like it could actually be someone. Very sexy!


    Tom actually cut pictures of guys and hired models to draw from. So the guy above could've been a real person.
    He's actually quite hot. Mmmm....icon_wink.gif
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    Aug 24, 2010 3:58 PM GMT
    MuchMoreThanMuscle saidUnderstood but I am sick of all the iconic gay art that is nothing more than porn, sex or unrealistic muscled bodies with 15" long dicks as fat as a wrist. Whatever happened to art imitating life? Gay art seems to create an unattainable standard that I think a lot of gay men feel pressured to emulate.


    If one is viewing TOF and feeling that they are supposed to look like that than they are as idiotic as if they looked at a Daffy Duck cartoon and thought that they should have a bill that would spin around to the back of their head when shot in the face at close range with a rifle by a talking rabbit. They are imaginary images. Fantasy takes on many forms. It could be argued that the creatin of art begins with a question. Perhaps "What if?" Maybe after depicting "real life" (whatever that is) someone said what if this was bigger, longer, fatter, more chisled whatever. Hopefully the viewer will continually ask questions long after leaving the image behind but will be smart enough not to look for a talking rabbit to shoot him in the face.