Some meditation tips for the lost.

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    Feb 22, 2008 10:25 AM GMT
    Hi, i have some tips for meditation, Im no so good at it, But this is easy stuff for home. If I ever find myself anxious or stressed, tired or sad I like to Center my self, and meditate if I have the time.

    Ok lets start of with centering yourself.

    First, Breath in and out to strech and clear your lungs, You can do this sitting or standing.
    Place your thumb on your belly button, or anywere around it, Untill you feel your poking your core.
    Keeping your thumb there Breath slowly into your core, or into were your thumb is, hold it at its full...don't make it dramtic, just your lung capacity.
    Then slowly, breath out pushing everything and your air out of your core (usualy your bellybotton). reapeat this untill your feal calm, You can do this to meditate, and eventualy you wont need your tumb. You will have already found your core, and know where it is.

    If you have anythin to add, go ahead, I want to hear comments!
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    Feb 22, 2008 1:56 PM GMT
    LOL I have tried meditation before.

    The Bubble method (where you envision bubbles rising), the breath counting method, etc.

    They don't seem to work on me, I always get distracted icon_confused.gif

    I'm still too far from transcendence! AGH! LOL
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    Feb 22, 2008 2:23 PM GMT
    well, its not so much about just doing the breathing and hoping then that transcendence or even calm will necessarily descend upon you by default of your actions- it takes mental focus and strength, which has to be built up. the breathing helps focus your mind on a single point of interest, to the exclusion of all else- that's the primary reason for the emphasis on breathing in meditation. it brings the attention to yourself, and away from the world around you, your stresses and cares, the ear-worm song that's been playing in your head all day, etc.

    but while the breathing helps in this, its not an automatic trigger kinda thing- you know, breath deep for a while and you'll find yourself in a transcendent state lol. meditation's power depends upon your ability to focus your mind for extended periods of time- not easy in today's culture where tv's effectively trained us to have 5 second attention spans (i'm not exagerating).

    to get better at this, before even introducing special breathing techniques, try to just sit in a comfortable chair, close your eyes, and fix your mind on a single thought. say, for example, a pencil. hold the image of that pencil in your mind for as long as you can- imagine it's texture, its weight and feel in your hand, its scent, its colors, what's written on it? is the eraser chewed-on? is it sharpened? just keep rolling that single thought around in your mind making it as real as possible for yourself for as long as you can. the instant any other thought intrudes- what's for dinner? gotta do that homework later on.. i wonder if i'm doing this right... what about colored pencils? crap i forgot to schedule that doctors appointment- the instant another thought intrudes, stop, and then start again fresh. you'll find you have an attention span of like 20 seconds at first when trying really hard- it'll get better though. you also discover an interesting tendency of the mind- the harder you try to single out any single thought, the harder your other thoughts will try to interfere. the calmer you try to make you mind, the harder it will rebel. that's what breathing techniques help quell, because you have a steady, unending, rhythmic physical reality to ground you mind in, as an anchor- i still suggest working on just calming your mind first though before working at sustaining a calmed mind. meditation is an altered state of consciousness, not just simply being relaxed, as your brain actually slips into a pattern of brain-waves that are akin to sleep- except that you're still conscious. so it's important to understand what's happening and how to create that state before working too hard at the means of aiding that's state's creation- the breathing's a tool, essentially. once you get proficient at holding a single thought in your mind for, say, 10 minutes, i'd start working on trying to think of NOTHING for an extended period of time. THAT'S a hard one. its hard to think of nothing for more than a second or two before SOMETHING pops up. i imagine my mind as a vacuum like space, or as existing in a pre-formation, potentiality. a useful technique here to get started is imagining what your life and existence was like... BEFORE you were conceived! loose yourself in nothingness and try to consciously hold that state. when you're proficient at that, i'd incorporate breathing techniques to help lengthen and perpetuate that state, and to deepen it. you'll find time moves strangely when you're in that state, btw... because you're technically sleeping, and awake, and self-hypnotized, all at the same time- so while you're aware vaguely of being there in time and place, you'll come out of it after what feels like 15 minutes and it'll have been an hour! that's how you know you did it right.

    once you get good at THAT- you can start using meditation for its intended use, as opposed to just using it to lower your blood-pressure and alleviate stress from your day. you can start using it to destroy, temporarily, your sense of self and to identify the self with EVERYTHING. this eventually results in a transcendent state that is impossible to describe. but it's better than any orgasm :p i haven't felt it yet but i know of it- it's definitely worth the effort.

    btw, another useful technique to help learn to focus your mind: staring at a candle flame and thinking of nothing but that flame for as long as you can- imagining any stray thought in your mind being instantly incinerated in the flame of the candle, before it can even take form.

    anyways, hope this helps icon_biggrin.gif


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    Feb 22, 2008 2:52 PM GMT
    lol sedative icon_rolleyes.gif

    Try smoking or something else. Keep it strictly legal of course. I wouldn't call that official meditation per say but whatever works.

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    Feb 22, 2008 3:42 PM GMT
    um, i disagree- that's kinda hinging on the idea, once again, that meditation is simply being very very calm. that's not it- i'd say nicotine buzz is to meditative state, as LSD trip is to spiritual illumination and Nirvana. you can't rely on chemicals to just 'give' you a meaningful altered consciousness because, while it IS an altered state of consciousness, its not one thats particularly useful, nor does it leave you any better off than when you went into it. if this were the case, town drunkards would be saints, and drug addicts would be deity-incarnate lol.

    the whole usefulness of honest meditation, mundanely, is that it lowers blood pressure, eases the body, clears the mind, and creates more lasting effects like a higher pain tolerance, reduced 'jittery-ness' or 'jumpiness' (harder to shock you with loud noises and stuff), increased release of endorphins, and an overall more tranquil and contented outlook on everyday events/life (among other benefits). not to mention the spiritual benefits, if meditation is turned as a tool to those ends. chemicals are a shortcut and therefor undercut the whole purpose. i mean, you COULD just smoke something after a long day at work to unwind- but then you create different stresses (like an addiction to deal with), pollute your body with toxins, expend money for the feeling, and are left no better off when it wears off.
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    Feb 22, 2008 4:34 PM GMT
    To each his own.

    I've tried simple meditation and I don't see any gain from it. Combined with normal cardio and stresses of daily life I couldn't say there is any direct gain in lower blood pressure, etc. To many variables to account for. Unless you tried a more rigid meditation routine, and keep a careful record over time I don't think anyone will really notice results.

    I see it more as the placebo effect. You see meditation as relaxation so your body responds by feeling more relaxed. It's the same with smoking a cigarette. The cig doesn't provide any calming health benefit yet mentally your body reacts to it, you think you feel better and more relaxed after smoking.

    And yes I'm sure there exist studies of people with reduced blood pressure and such from meditation but nearly every study also included a more rigid routine that most of us could handle as well as other factors such a healthy diet, stress reduction, exercise, etc. But of course everyone has their own opinions. Meditation doesn't work for me, but it might give that mental health edge to someone else.
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    Feb 22, 2008 7:49 PM GMT
    When I used to go to meditation groups in college, I felt so light and wonderful afterwards. I felt like I saw the world a little more clearly. I felt joyous. Perhaps these same types of feelings can occur after smoking or use of other drugs, but I wouldn't know. It has been my observation, however, that most smokers are not carefree, joyous, or less stressed than Joe T. Public. But I am just a humble observer.
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    Feb 23, 2008 6:49 PM GMT
    Granted, I don't really meditate all that often, usually only when somethings really bothering me, or I feel like I really need to clear my head. I usually lay down and I have a smooth river rock that I put on my forehead and just feel my pulse. And from there focus on feeling my heart beat in my fingers, my feet, my chest, and then just kinda let my mind go fuzzy and focus / not focus on it all.