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    Feb 22, 2008 7:38 PM GMT
    so i just watched the video from the humane society about the beef recall. and then went ahead and looked into their "stop the slaughter of american horses" issue.

    the video for the horse slaughter, is disturbing, but again it's mainly the way they are treated. they show horses being treated badly on their waqy to mexico, and mention the canadian border as well. but unfortunately show nothing of what happens up in canada. i'd like to know if the animals are treated any differently heading north.

    my other issue, is how they say "horses are pets" and therefore shouldn't be eaten. i don't agree with that sentiment. just because an animal is cuter or more friendly doesn't mean it should get special privilege. i personally on occasion eat horse meat, and i don't see how it's any less ethical than eaten beef, pork, dog, rabbit or anything.

    i do understand that the US humane society wants to save the american horses from slaughter. but what do they propose be done with the animals that aren't wanted for ranches or family farms?

    enough rant. any thoughts?
  • feartree

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    Feb 22, 2008 9:29 PM GMT
    I was in Japan for business in 2005 and the first night I was there my coworkers took me to a sushi place. I ate a number of new things that evening... most notably horse.
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    Raw horse. I agree that if you're going to eat animals for food, arbitrarily picking and choosing which ones are "OK" is kinda silly. My partner can't help but have a dark spot in his heart for folks who eat dog, though...
  • feartree

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    Feb 22, 2008 9:31 PM GMT
    Oh and I have to admit, before I clicked I was thinking this post meant something VERY different when I saw the topic "All Things Gay > horse meat". lol
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    Feb 22, 2008 9:41 PM GMT
    We can turn them into bacon bits - so the Vegetarians have a tastier salad. Or we can export it to China as 100% USDA Beef. icon_biggrin.gif
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    Feb 22, 2008 9:47 PM GMT
    In North America horses are viewed as off-limits to eat. In Europe though it is a different story. Certainly France and Belgium do not seem to have any problems. IDK there are some wild animals that I find just as cute as horses (deer for example) but people don't seem to fazed about eating them. I must admit the only animals I would feel kind of quesy about eating would be dogs or cats.
  • kinetic

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    Feb 22, 2008 9:50 PM GMT
    Hell, they eat dogs in China don't they?
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    Feb 22, 2008 10:00 PM GMT
    meat is meat where you are in the world dictates what is available and what you can eat and whats taboo. I think sentimentality over animals like this is crazy personaly.

    By all means treat them well as it also affects the quality of the meat but thats as far as it goe sin my books
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    Feb 22, 2008 11:38 PM GMT
    I'm not much of an apologist, but, I think I'll take a horse to dinner tonight and serve him a waiter.
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    Feb 22, 2008 11:48 PM GMT
    The last horse meat slaughter house in the US closed just a few months ago. That is a shame, as I hear they are delicious.

    Perhaps for the vegetarians they can make Tofurce substitute.
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    Feb 22, 2008 11:58 PM GMT
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  • fryblock

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    Feb 23, 2008 12:13 AM GMT
    McGay saidI'm not much of an apologist, but, I think I'll take a horse to dinner tonight and serve him a waiter.



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  • petemdc

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    Feb 23, 2008 12:47 AM GMT
    JMS,
    Okay, so I wrote a long response and realized my rambling was absurd. So.

    1. eat horse, why not?
    2. have you ever been to a feed lot on a small farm where the kids are in love with their Guernsey steer or maybe the Swiss with the droopy ears? Been there the day they cried as it went to get slaughtered?
    3. Have you ever held a piglet? Been inside a hog confinement lot?


    My point: people are disconnected from their food sources. If our schools (and households) bought from local farmers and not from mass producers hundreds of miles away, we could have more say over how animals were treated and eat healthier.
  • HndsmKansan

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    Feb 23, 2008 2:44 AM GMT
    Well being a horseman and having taught horsemanship and showed Western Pleasure, judged and owned a quarter horse for years, the whole idea of "horsemeat"
    makes me sick to my stomach.

    I've always been aware of the slaughter houses for horses and I'll be damned if I'll do anything to support it. I've never bought "horsemeat" for anything and have signed petitions (even though it didn't mean much) to speak out against it.
  • HndsmKansan

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    Feb 23, 2008 3:01 AM GMT
    MunchingZombie saidThe last horse meat slaughter house in the US closed just a few months ago. That is a shame, as I hear they are delicious.



    Like right out of the "Night of the Living Dead"

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    Feb 23, 2008 3:55 AM GMT
    jms84 said any thoughts?


    <shrug> I don't seem to have as many cultural/emotional food aversions as most folks. As much as I adore our kitties, if I were visiting a country where cat meat is eaten, I would have no problem trying some. The only cultural/emotional food aversion I have that I can think of is eating insects. So, I'll pass on the witchetty grubs and have the grilled wallaby steak, instead.
  • fryblock

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    Feb 23, 2008 4:01 AM GMT
    petemdc saidJMS,
    Okay, so I wrote a long response and realized my rambling was absurd. So.

    1. eat horse, why not?
    2. have you ever been to a feed lot on a small farm where the kids are in love with their Guernsey steer or maybe the Swiss with the droopy ears? Been there the day they cried as it went to get slaughtered?
    3. Have you ever held a piglet? Been inside a hog confinement lot?


    My point: people are disconnected from their food sources. If our schools (and households) bought from local farmers and not from mass producers hundreds of miles away, we could have more say over how animals were treated and eat healthier.


    I completely agree. Dissociation is my biggest problem with people. someone who will eat calamari, just not the ones that look like squid, etc. I have been on a hog farm and then to the slaughter plant, it's absolutely dreadful.
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    Feb 23, 2008 4:18 AM GMT
    jms84 saidso i just watched the video from the humane society about the beef recall. and then went ahead and looked into their "stop the slaughter of american horses" issue. Thanks for not being close-minded and checking out the video.

    the video for the horse slaughter, is disturbing, but again it's mainly the way they are treated. they show horses being treated badly on their waqy to mexico, and mention the canadian border as well. but unfortunately show nothing of what happens up in canada. i'd like to know if the animals are treated any differently heading north. The animals are transported and slaughtered in a brutal manner in both countries. This video will show you slaughterhouses in Mexico and Canada http://stream.luxmedia501.com/?file=/clients/hsus/investigations/mexicohorses2.rm

    my other issue, is how they say "horses are pets" and therefore shouldn't be eaten. i don't agree with that sentiment. just because an animal is cuter or more friendly doesn't mean it should get special privilege. i personally on occasion eat horse meat, and i don't see how it's any less ethical than eaten beef, pork, dog, rabbit or anything. It is entirely cultural. Horses are "favored" animals as are dogs and cats (speciesism), that's why Americans don't eat them...culture! Likewise, most of the world is repulsed by the hundreds of thousands of baby seals clubbed to death each year in Canada...culture!

    i do understand that the US humane society wants to save the american horses from slaughter. but what do they propose be done with the animals that aren't wanted for ranches or family farms? Humanely euthanize them, like dogs and cats, until the overpopulation can be brought under control.

    enough rant. any thoughts?
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    Feb 23, 2008 10:52 AM GMT
    Soylent Green

    BTW, a filipino province up north is famous for eating dogs.

    UGH...
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    Feb 23, 2008 5:36 PM GMT
    venicemanHumanely euthanize them, like dogs and cats, until the overpopulation can be brought under control.


    ok. but i see the benefit of sending the horses to a country where they can be made in to food. if treated properly and humanely i would rather the horse be made into a meal that buried/cremated which i would find wasteful.

    i'm also not sure if overpopulation is the issue. in the video they mention buyers out bidding families that would give the horse a home, in order to send the horses to slaughter. is there actually an overpopulation? or is the problem that some countries really want a horse burger?
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    Feb 23, 2008 7:26 PM GMT
    I don't think "overpopulation" is an issue where horses are concerned. Horses are usually bred for a specific purpose. If they turn out not to be fit for that well, then, you sell them as killer. Only now, with no american slaughter houses, its usually cheaper just to put a bullet in their head. I think last I heard, killer horses were going for maybe $200? Which by the time you pay gas and a commission to the sale yard, doesn't even make it worth your time. And the idea that a horse is a pet is ridiculous. I suppose some people do keep horses as pets, but those are usually the same people who end up having to get rid of the horse, because the only ride once a year, and that one time they get bucked off, so, it must be the horse's fault.
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    Feb 23, 2008 8:04 PM GMT
    jms84 said[quote][cite]veniceman[/cite]Humanely euthanize them, like dogs and cats, until the overpopulation can be brought under control.


    ok. but i see the benefit of sending the horses to a country where they can be made in to food. if treated properly and humanely i would rather the horse be made into a meal that buried/cremated which i would find wasteful. It is the manner in which they are slaughtered that is barbaric, whether it is stabbing them with a knife in the head (as in Mexico) or shooting them (as in Canada) or using a c-bolt (captive bolt as in the USA), all methods are implemented with inaccuracy causing prolonged suffering. I understand your point about utilizing unwanted and abandoned horses as food for other nations, but they are bred (accelerating the population) for that purpose. Eliminate the demand, and the supply will diminish.

    i'm also not sure if overpopulation is the issue. in the video they mention buyers out bidding families that would give the horse a home, in order to send the horses to slaughter. is there actually an overpopulation? or is the problem that some countries really want a horse burger? [/quote] I was responding to your premise that if there were no ranches or families to take the horses. And, yes there is an overpopulation of horses. And, yes people like to eat them....The argument here is not that people like to eat meat, it's the method in which that meat makes it to their plate.

    You bring up good questions jms84


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    Feb 24, 2008 9:31 PM GMT
    so my next question (and ya i know i'm being lazy and not researching this myself but i enjoy the discussion goin here.)

    why isn't there an "appropriate" means of killing the animals yet? the umane society keeps saying there needs to be better treatment of animals when they are killed, where are the suggestions? i don't know enough about the animals to know how to slaughter properly. but i will ask my friend who's family own an organic cow farm.
  • cowboyupnorth

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    Apr 07, 2008 10:19 PM GMT
    In all do respect veniceman is an animal rights guy. I will not even respond to his statements. I will tell you this policy has resulted in more starved horses and more criminal charges for animal neglect. Not only do the animal activist want you to pay for the horse to be put down but their is also a rendering charge in most areas. Horses that can not be ridden and who the owners can no longer afford now are hidden behind the barn and starved.

    I would encourage you to discuss this topic with people who know and understand farming, and horse farming in general, not a bunch of city guys who have never stepped on a real farm or dealt with the realities of rural America. www.barrelhorseworld would be a good site. I love horses and could never sell one of mine for slaughter, just like I would not get an abortion if I was a pregnant women. That does not mean I try and control someone else or try and make them live by my standards.

    In Indea the cow is sacred so I am sure the animal rights ppl will try and stop our slaughter of beef next.
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    Apr 24, 2008 9:52 PM GMT
    how does it taste? better than cow?