Gay Republican Independent Presidential Candidate

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    Aug 28, 2010 7:08 AM GMT


    Read about him in a local magazine in Grand Rapids today. Thought it was interesting.
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    Aug 28, 2010 4:09 PM GMT
    hmmmm I've never heard about him
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    Aug 28, 2010 4:33 PM GMT
    Gay Republican Independent Presidential Candidate

    What's the definition of that? One has a political party affiliation, or else one is independent. You can be both?

    And actually he says "Independent Republican," the 2 words in that order, which has a different connotation. Although even his own explanation for what that means sounds a bit strained.

    To be a Republican you must have official Party endorsement, same for the Democrats with their party. If you are independent of the Party, then you are an Independent, period.

    I suppose he's trying to say he holds largely traditional Republican Party values, as he sees them, but outside the party establishment. Fine, but the Party decides who's a Republican or not, and on whose ticket you run.

    I'm not sure a guy who bases his candidacy on semantic games is going to get much traction. And I'm not clear what his goal is, since he certainly can't win. But being gay, does he think he'll draw votes away from approved Republican Party candidates, and help Dems? Or draw gay votes away from Democratic candidates, whom gays more typically support? Very puzzling... icon_question.gif
  • mybud

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    Aug 28, 2010 4:57 PM GMT
    Ya let me guess....He's against gay marriage.....
  • darkeyedresol...

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    Aug 28, 2010 5:02 PM GMT
    It takes a long time and a lot of failed attempts for traditional minorities to gain traction to win in Presidential elections. Gays, especially in Republican primary that has a vocal and powerful religious right, have a long way to go before they become winnable candidates.

    Women have been running for President for a long time, Maggie Chase Smith was a senator from Maine was running in the Republican Primaries for President back in '64. I'm sure there were women before her but she was maybe one of the first "credible" chances.

    Think it will happen sooner than later, but its not an easy road.
  • metta

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    Aug 28, 2010 5:06 PM GMT
    mybud saidYa let me guess....He's against gay marriage.....


    boy are you wrong....you could not be more wrong.




    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_Karger


    http://fredkarger.com/


    http://www.facebook.com/FredKarger


    I would seriously consider voting for him in 2012.
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    Aug 28, 2010 5:16 PM GMT
    metta8 said
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_Karger


    http://fredkarger.com/


    http://www.facebook.com/FredKarger

    Thanks. A complicated guy. Clarifies a bit for me what he's doing. Though why he clings to the word Republican, when everything anti-gay he's fighting originates from the Republican side, still puzzles me. Given my own life, I can understand compartmentalized thinking, but this seems a bit extreme.

    He may not understand cause & effect. One does not HAPPEN to be anti-gay and bigoted and coincidentally HAPPEN to be a Republican. The basic political philosophy leads to those unfortunate attitudes. So why he sticks with the Repubs is beyond me. Even Republican economics is exploitative and places corporations before people. I suppose some people can rationalize anything.
  • solak

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    Aug 28, 2010 5:21 PM GMT
    metta8 said
    mybud saidYa let me guess....He's against gay marriage.....


    boy are you wrong....you could not be more wrong.




    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_Karger


    http://fredkarger.com/


    http://www.facebook.com/FredKarger


    I would seriously consider voting for him in 2012.


    nice links.. maybe we wont be 2nd class citizens like under our current Administration..

  • metta

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    Aug 28, 2010 5:27 PM GMT
    Art_Deco said
    metta8 said
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_Karger


    http://fredkarger.com/


    http://www.facebook.com/FredKarger

    Thanks. A complicated guy. Clarifies a bit for me what he's doing. Though why he clings to the word Republican, when everything anti-gay he's fighting originates from the Republican side, still puzzles me. Given my own life, I can understand compartmentalized thinking, but this seems a bit extreme.

    He may not understand cause & effect. One does not HAPPEN to be anti-gay and bigoted and coincidentally HAPPEN to be a Republican. The basic political philosophy leads to those unfortunate attitudes. So why he sticks with the Repubs is beyond me. Even Republican economics is exploitative and places corporations before people. I suppose some people can rationalize anything.


    This is exactly what we need. The more Republicans we can get to speak out in support of equality the better. I have no problem with the basic values that the Republican party used to stand for....long ago...minimize waste, keep government out of the personal lives, etc. Those are the values that I would like to see the Republican party come back with. Honestly, I would probably be a Republican if that was what the party really was, and if they also worked to also protect the environment and better clean energy standards, push for better education standards, less debt, etc.
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    Aug 28, 2010 6:08 PM GMT
    Good looking man too.
  • rioriz

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    Aug 28, 2010 6:20 PM GMT
    Good for him...I will have to follow him form now on to see where it goes
  • Webster666

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    Aug 28, 2010 8:49 PM GMT
    He's trying to snag the Republican's AND the Independent's votes.
    Why doesn't he call himself an Independent Democratic Republican ?
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    Aug 28, 2010 11:51 PM GMT
    metta8 said
    Art_Deco said
    metta8 said
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_Karger


    http://fredkarger.com/


    http://www.facebook.com/FredKarger

    Thanks. A complicated guy. Clarifies a bit for me what he's doing. Though why he clings to the word Republican, when everything anti-gay he's fighting originates from the Republican side, still puzzles me. Given my own life, I can understand compartmentalized thinking, but this seems a bit extreme.

    He may not understand cause & effect. One does not HAPPEN to be anti-gay and bigoted and coincidentally HAPPEN to be a Republican. The basic political philosophy leads to those unfortunate attitudes. So why he sticks with the Repubs is beyond me. Even Republican economics is exploitative and places corporations before people. I suppose some people can rationalize anything.


    This is exactly what we need. The more Republicans we can get to speak out in support of equality the better. I have no problem with the basic values that the Republican party used to stand for....long ago...minimize waste, keep government out of the personal lives, etc. Those are the values that I would like to see the Republican party come back with. Honestly, I would probably be a Republican if that was what the party really was, and if they also worked to also protect the environment and better clean energy standards, push for better education standards, less debt, etc.


    I agree, although I fall very far left I think. However I'm still young and my ideologies can definitely still change. And yes he SUPER PRO gay marriage.
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    Aug 29, 2010 12:37 AM GMT
    TrollMonger said

    Read about him in a local magazine in Grand Rapids today. Thought it was interesting.


    Fred is a very nice and intelligent guy. I had the opportunity to work with him three years ago on trying to preserve a gay club in Laguna Beach. I would vote for him if he ran. He is a GREAT Republican!
  • metta

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    Sep 23, 2010 8:51 AM GMT
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    Jan 10, 2011 7:03 PM GMT

    Gay Republican Fred Karger Blocked From Iowa Debate


    http://www.shewired.com/Article.cfm?ID=26422
  • metta

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    Jan 10, 2011 7:09 PM GMT
    Republicans: Would you have a problem with Fred Karger, an openly gay man, winning the GOP nomination?

    http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20101128230908AAnxTTX
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    Jan 10, 2011 7:40 PM GMT
    Well, let's see...
    Ever since Bush Sr., we've had the following:
    -A "redneck" President who loves sex and getting stoned (without inhaling, of course).
    -A moron President who couldn't even make complete sentences in his speeches.
    -A "so-called black" (multi-race minority) President who seems to be doing ok, especially compared to his predecessor.

    I think Fred has a chance. In fact, I think he has a good chance. The more pro-gay Republicans we have, the less anti-gay the Republican party as a whole will be.

    Regardless of the outcome of the 2012 election, just the fact that he's running will be a huge advancement for gay rights.
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    Jan 26, 2011 6:27 PM GMT
    Fred Karger To Release Statewide Anti-NOM (National Organization For Marriage) TV Ad



    http://www.concordmonitor.com/blogentry/236297/karger-to-release-anti-nom-ad
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    Jan 28, 2011 5:31 AM GMT
    Actually, I would like to see president Obama do a 2nd term. He's quite a visionary.
  • metta

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    Jan 28, 2011 8:22 AM GMT
    Here is the Commercial Against the hate group: NOM
    (National Organization For Marriage)
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    Mar 23, 2011 3:52 PM GMT

    Fred Karger to File for GOP Presidential Candidacy Today

    http://www.bilerico.com/2011/03/fred_karger_to_file_for_gop_presidential_candidacy.php
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    Mar 23, 2011 4:18 PM GMT
    metta8 said
    Fred Karger to File for GOP Presidential Candidacy Today

    http://www.bilerico.com/2011/03/fred_karger_to_file_for_gop_presidential_candidacy.php


    Very cool. He would be my ONLY pick for a GOP Presidential Candidate; the rest are very, very scary. Just imagine if he WERE to win...OMGosh!
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    Mar 23, 2011 4:31 PM GMT
    Why should individuals be labeled as Gay Republican? Why would you want to be known as that title with your Orientation as the first label above all else?
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    Mar 23, 2011 4:34 PM GMT
    mybud saidYa let me guess....He's against gay marriage.....


    I'm Apolitical and not really for Gay Marriage. It's causing more harm than good. The push for it I mean. I think it is a great privilege to not be able to get married. There are much more pertinent issues amongst Homosexuals to consider. Furthermore, "Gay" Marriage is not a cure all.