The New Face of Homosexuality

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    Feb 23, 2008 12:55 PM GMT
    Found this on YouTube:



    I don't find it funny at all, and I'm a bit disturbed that his audience is actually agreeing with him. What's up with GLBT? Is it gonna dissolve into mGeGLBT, Masculine Gays Effeminate Gays Lesbian Bisexual Transsexual anytime soon?

    Seriously, it seems that as the 'masculine gay' stereotype is on the rise as the ideal homosexual among us younger generations, there seems to be growing homophobia too WITHIN the gay community.

    Personally, I really am not effeminate. I don't have a lisp, no limp wrist, etc. but I'm sorta geeky so I'm not the epitome of masculinity either. But I DON'T revile effeminate gay men.

    The Chris Crocker thread shows exactly how serious it is.

    Do we really think that by being more masculine and trashing the queens we can somehow be more acceptable to the eyes of the straight world? To them, even if we play football and have the buffest body and the roughest attitude we're still HOMOS. How can we ask for acceptance when we can't even accept people of the same orientation?

    Thoughts?
  • GQjock

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    Feb 23, 2008 1:04 PM GMT
    comedy is always tiptoeing on that line of bad taste and stereotypes
    This definitely crosses that line
    It's very easy to depend on gay stereotypes to make speeches and harder to be smart about it
    This guy needs to think more
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    Feb 23, 2008 1:12 PM GMT
    Quite interesting I would hardly classify him as a masculine guy. he may think he is but his mannerisms dictate otherwise.

    You certainly wouldnt classify him as the slightest bit funny tho, the only line he has crossed is that of comedy there must have been free pot in the audience, mind you sounds like there are only about 10 there
  • NickoftheNort...

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    Feb 23, 2008 1:20 PM GMT
    It seems easier to whore oneself out to the alleged dynamic of straightdom that gay *men* should be "masculine" and align oneself with the apparent majority than to stand ground with the villified minority.

    It is our burden to confront our media portrayals and prompt ones that deal with us as people. Signing onto the "popular kids'" commodification and objectification of us is betrayal, especially when it is done as part of personal self-aggrandizement.
  • cityguy39

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    Feb 23, 2008 3:02 PM GMT
    You guys have to also understand what is considered masculine is as diverse as there are people. There is no one definition for masculinity. The concept of what is deemed masculine, varies according to race and culture in many circumstances.

    Doug
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    Feb 23, 2008 3:27 PM GMT
    cityguy39 saidYou guys have to also understand what is considered masculine is as diverse as there are people. There is no one definition for masculinity. The concept of what is deemed masculine, varies according to race and culture in many circumstances.

    Doug


    Very true Doug, and in North America what is considered masculine behaviour is pretty narrow and rigid. Don't like football in the US or hockey in Canada? Somehow you are not really masculine and "suspect". Don't support increasing defence spending? Again your masculinity might be suspect.

    I personally got tired years ago of people judging my masculinity. Like all males I have "masculine" traits (both physical and personality) and "feminine" traits. I just go about being myself and minding my own business. If people don't like it then f**k 'em I have got more important things to think about.
  • cityguy39

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    Feb 23, 2008 4:54 PM GMT
    I'm with you Jbed!!!!!!

    Doug
  • coolarmydude

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    Feb 23, 2008 7:04 PM GMT
    wow. what a douche bag.

    he's neither masculine nor feminine...he's republican

    Am I offnded? no

    Dissapointed? absolutely

    Thanks for the eye-opening topic.

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    Feb 23, 2008 7:18 PM GMT
    coolarmydude said
    he's neither masculine nor feminine...he's republican




    Ha Ha,
    that was my first thought as well.

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    Feb 23, 2008 7:21 PM GMT
    Wow I couldn't even finish watching this clip it was so not funny. I just think it's sad for this dude to go after the effeminate gays seeing as he's fucking gay himself. Live and let live dammit.
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    Feb 23, 2008 7:23 PM GMT
    ...he should also learn his gay history (e.g. what Pride represents).
  • Timbales

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    Feb 23, 2008 7:30 PM GMT
    I'm sorry, but I don't see a dislike of overly effeminate guys as being homophobic. Saying it is means that gay men are by nature effeminate.

    I think a lot of men do put on an effeminate act as a defense. They feel different as say 'f*ck it, if they are going to tease me then I'm going for it.'
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    Feb 23, 2008 7:35 PM GMT
    Ugh, that was agonizing. Maybe when he does a gig in a black club, he can do some Amos and Andy shit.
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    Feb 23, 2008 7:59 PM GMT
    WOW he was just terrible.
    He needs to learn how to get a laugh.

    Ya know, I see this whole masculinity/femininity thing as rebelling against a stereotype that has finally caught up with us and many are tired of.

    Yes there are very effeminate homosexual males as there are very masculine lesbians, but, its tiring when I'm expected to behave effeminately and my sexuality is called into question because I do not fit that stereo type of what "gay" is.

    But, at the end of the day, life goes on, some knobs get screwed others do the screwing
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    Feb 23, 2008 8:44 PM GMT
    I live how he is speaking in third person! He was obvisously performing in a straight club!

    Becuase if he had a real gay audiance "WE" would have opened UP " A BIG OLD CAN OF WHIP ASS"! Know what I'm saying!

    It was a sureal experience! My ears still hurt!icon_evil.gif

    An attack against one of us is an attack against all of us!

    He has some serious ISSUES!icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Feb 23, 2008 9:01 PM GMT
    Sick!!!! It's like the gay community is all sinking under water and he rescues himself by climbig on their backs !!

    These sick people think that they'll gain the respect of the straight community by acting like them and adoupting the same attitude against the gay community.. I mean what THE !???

    and it's not just one unfortunately.....
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    Feb 23, 2008 9:02 PM GMT
    I actually agree with nearly everything that guy said minus his comment at the end on gay marriage.

    Yes I'm a Republican, yes I'm for defense spending (hence why I'm in the military), and the man I'm married to is a Democrat and also happens to have the same opinions regarding this guy's comedy skit.

    Good to see someone else who thinks like we do.
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    Feb 23, 2008 9:12 PM GMT
    as I said ..
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    Feb 23, 2008 9:17 PM GMT
    I stopped watching this a minute into it.

    I found this video to be very disturbing on so many levels not the least of which another attempt to tear people apart versus the opposite.

    I suppose there are people in every "so called group" that hates a sector of its own and will do what is necessary to exploit it in support of others they believe feel the same. (I tend to agree w/ the person who said he was performing in a straight club.)


    Bottom line: he is a self-loather.
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    Feb 23, 2008 9:37 PM GMT
    I'm with Arvis. I didn't think he was all that funny but he certainly didn't offend me. The only part that came close was about domestic abuse.
    I'm sorry but I don't like the term "gay community". We are as diverse as the "straight community". The only thing we have in common is that we like to suck c**k. I can in no way relate to the effeminate guys at bars who tweeze their eyebrows and walk around with a swish. I relate much better to the straight guys I work with than a lot of gay men.
  • morholt

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    Feb 23, 2008 9:43 PM GMT
    This guy's ultimate sin is being a bad comedian.
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    Feb 23, 2008 9:51 PM GMT
    Hmm, yes Margaret and Billy and Steve...there are all types of gay people. Tall and short, thin and fat, tried to hard and doesn't care, etc etc. A thin straight person dismissing fat people is exercising a prejudice/bias. A gay person dismissing another gay person on a basis judgment in regards to masculine/feminine characteristics is also exercising a prejudice/bias.

    And what do we call bias against LGBT people? That's right. Homophobia.
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    Feb 23, 2008 9:55 PM GMT
    Well put, RunintheCity. My thoughts exactly.
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    Feb 23, 2008 10:01 PM GMT
    I disagree. I think thinner people making fun of fat people is different that straight people making fun of gay people. 90% of fat people are fat because of the choices they made themselves, overeating and not exercising. Making fun of gay people is different because it is not a choice. With regard to dismissing effeminate people, am I homophobic because I am not attracted to them and I can't relate to them? Am I racist because I am not attracted to certain races?
    Absolutely I think you need to value people for who they are and see the good inside them, if they have any. But I also say there is a way to be funny without being overly offensive. Look at Family Guy, they offend everyone equally!! They have some of the funniest gay jokes on TV. Am I offended? No, I don't take myself that seriously. We all have to laugh at ourselves from time to time.
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    Feb 23, 2008 10:09 PM GMT
    Rhodielifter saidI disagree. I think thinner people making fun of fat people is different that straight people making fun of gay people. 90% of fat people are fat because of the choices they made themselves, overeating and not exercising. Making fun of gay people is different because it is not a choice. With regard to dismissing effeminate people, am I homophobic because I am not attracted to them and I can't relate to them? Am I racist because I am not attracted to certain races?


    I didn't say straight people making fun of gay people. I said gay people demonstrating bias (as a negative action, i.e. prejudice) toward other gay people. That is internal homophobia. A straight person showing the same is plain old homophobia. I'm not talking about making fun. I'm talking about showing negative prejudice. I'm not talking about attraction. I'm talking about negative energy, words, thoughts, expressions and dismissals of one gay person who self-perceives as masculine against another gay person they perceive as effeminate. That is internalized homophobia any way you spin it.