Liberal vs Conservative

  • tazzari

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    Aug 29, 2010 11:34 PM GMT
    Partisan, but it's how it feels (speaking as a flaming liberal with conservative friends): http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/aug/29/liberal-guilt-good-for-you

    How to get the best from each? There's the question for our times!
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    Aug 30, 2010 2:05 AM GMT
    Not that I love angst, but I like my mom better (no pun intended). icon_smile.gif Something I read today:
    http://www.spectacle.org/897/trust.htmlConservatives want to be your daddy, telling you what to do and what not to do. Liberals want to be your mommy, feeding you, tucking you in, and wiping your nose.--David Boaz, Libertarianism: A Primer

    Conservatives, in other words, want the government to intervene in matters of private morality such as sex, sexual preference, abortion and pornography. Conversely, they want the government to stay away from regulating business and markets. Liberals want the opposite: perfect freedom of action in the moral sphere, and a vigilant, interventive government in the business sphere.


    May I add that sometimes dads do what they tell you not to do (fiscal responsibility, anyone?). Of course one outgrows the mommy phase eventually.
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    Aug 30, 2010 2:13 AM GMT
    Libertarian - with paleo-conservative leanings for defense and (small) government spending and near-minimal government intrusion into people's private lives... socially liberal in the sense of "do what you like so long as it doesn't harm others".

    I'd be like something like Calvin Coolidge, but occasionally smoking a blunt and "having fun" with guys. icon_biggrin.gif

    And if conservatives are daddies and liberals mommies...

    ... Libertarians are your cool older brother's friend who gives you beer, but lets you know that too much of it will f--- you up. But without moralizing over it either.
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    Aug 30, 2010 2:42 AM GMT
    Beer or weed? icon_biggrin.gif
    See my whole argument with mocktwinkie about his libertarian solution for food safety. Libertarian is fine for almost everything else (fashion sense, morals and sexuality being among them) except the ones that government should be involved in (taxation, public health, defense, reversal of environmental trends, etc).
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    Aug 30, 2010 4:39 AM GMT
    q1w2e3 saidBeer or weed? icon_biggrin.gif


    Both, but not necessarily at the same time? icon_biggrin.gif


    q1w2e3 said Libertarian is fine for almost everything else ... except the ones that government should be involved in (taxation, public health, defense, reversal of environmental trends, etc).


    I vary by degree on these.

    - Don't like paying taxes particularly (don't know too many folks who do) - but they are a necessary evil. That said, I don't want to support people who are otherwise able, but unwilling to find and do work. Nor do I particularly want to support massive government debt, when we could (as a government) do far better to "live within our means".

    The rest is but a small step from the taxes issue: a careful balance should be kept to prevent slipping into a socialist/all-powerful central government, and the social breakdown that could result from a night-watchman/distorted sort of minarchism.
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    Aug 30, 2010 4:47 AM GMT



    I think the whole issue is extremism, demonstrated aptly in the topic title (great post tarrazi, I cracked up reading it!), "Liberal vs Conservative" with Libertarians simply crossing their arms in the middle and saying 'No' to both sides no matter what's on the table. Where are all your moderates?

    -Doug





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    Aug 30, 2010 3:20 PM GMT
    jprichva saidLIbertarianism is a fraud. They think the only essential functions of government include protecting private property.

    But, um, why should I, who has long ago dumped most of my material possessions, pay to protect the property of rich people? Let them hire their own damn security guards and get their thieving hands out of my pockets.

    That at least would be principled libertarianism. But like Bible-thumpers picking and choosing items from Leviticus like diners in a cafeteria line, they only like the parts of "hands-off" that mean your hands off of them. They don't seem to have a problem with their hands in YOUR pockets.

    What a dishonest crock.


    Libertarians do not think the government's only function is protecting private property.
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    Aug 30, 2010 3:23 PM GMT
    Perhaps if everyone began reintroducing the wonderful accuracy of the word 'SOME' when speaking of members of a political position these topics might go somewhere.


    -Doug
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    Aug 30, 2010 8:00 PM GMT
    :ahem::

    http://www.salon.com/news/politics/war_room/2010/08/30/bigot_establishes_ground_zero_church/index.html

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/08/30/paul-ryan-budget-young-guns_n_697902.html