ATLANTA BLACK GAY PRIDE

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    Aug 30, 2010 5:33 PM GMT
    I am puerto rican and have never been to any pride event. Someone was telling me that this Labor Day weekend is Atlanta's Black Gay Pride Celebration. Any RJ men attending? I grew up just west of Six Flags so I might check it out. It depends on how I feel after I do a 5K followed by a 10K race on Sat morning.

    If you are attending, feel free to email me at bimilguy77@yahoo.com
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    Aug 31, 2010 12:06 AM GMT
    I can't stop laughing for obvious reasonsicon_lol.gif If only I lived in ATL, Have fun bro!
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    Aug 31, 2010 12:19 AM GMT
    I don't mean to seem insensitive... but why is there a black gay pride?
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    Aug 31, 2010 12:24 AM GMT
    conscienti1984 saidI don't mean to seem insensitive... but why is there a black gay pride?


    Do some research on the first gay black pride, you will be surprised with the results; its actually interesting how the first event came about.

    Also, look up the Stonewall Movement...
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    Aug 31, 2010 12:30 AM GMT
    conscienti1984 saidI don't mean to seem insensitive... but why is there a black gay pride?



    For the same reason we initially had "Gay Pride" Gay men needed to have some positive reinforcement that we didn't receive frm our str8 counter parts. Within our sub-culture some ppl of color don't feel they receive the same positive reinforcement frm their gay brothers so they have created a event where they receive that feeling.
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    Aug 31, 2010 12:45 AM GMT
    Hillie said
    conscienti1984 saidI don't mean to seem insensitive... but why is there a black gay pride?



    For the same reason we initially had "Gay Pride" Gay men needed to have some positive reinforcement that we didn't receive frm our str8 counter parts. Within our sub-culture some ppl of color don't feel they receive the same positive reinforcement frm their gay brothers so they have created a event where they receive that feeling.


    That was the type of answer I was looking for. And I find it extremely sad. I'm not sure I quite understand either since I've lived in the whitest and oldest state in the Union all my life (Maine). Why do people of color feel disconnected from gay culture?

    I think we are more powerful if we set aside our differences and melt together as one community. Diversity is great, but the more we acknowledge our differences as a culture the harder it becomes for many people to relate to one another.

    Black Gay Pride doesn't bother me--the reason behind Black Gay Pride is what bothers me... the fact that a sub-culture feels alienated enough to host it's own pride.
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    Aug 31, 2010 12:50 AM GMT
    conscienti1984 saidI don't mean to seem insensitive... but why is there a black gay pride?


    Because there is comfort and strength in likeness. Just as many LGBT people find strength, reassurance and affirmation from attending pride related events, black LGBT people garner additional strength, reassurance and affirmation from Black Gay Pride.

    I attended DC Black Pride and In the Life (the Atlanta black gay pride event) a few years ago with an ex of mine...and his reaction has stuck with me. He was enriched by being around so many people who were "just like me!" Which I at first found odd because I was like, But you're around gay folks all the time.

    However, when you don't live in a city, town or area with a large/visible black gay populace, being amongst peers, feeling that sense of community...it speaks to a deep running part of human nature. Just as a rural gay seeks the big city and moves to the gayborhood.

    I remember as a kid back on the farm and daydreaming of moving to NYC and running with the downtown/East Village art fags and becoming the next Keith Haring. Experiencing that communal safety and affirmation. That sense of belonging, especially in a world (the one in which I really existed) in which I didn't belong. I can liken that somewhat to what my ex experienced at black gay pride, although I also understand it's quite different given the historical and social contexts of racism, religion, white privilege, etc.

    So black gay pride serves a definite purpose - beyond the insane amount of partying you find at In the Life - for LGBT people of color. It's a pride in being gay AND black, black AND gay.

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    I think we are more powerful if we set aside our differences and melt together as one community. Diversity is great, but the more we acknowledge our differences as a culture the harder it becomes for many people to relate to one another.

    Black Gay Pride doesn't bother me--the reason behind Black Gay Pride is what bothers me... the fact that a sub-culture feels alienated enough to host it's own pride.


    And that's a WHOLE 'NOTHER discussion. Addressing how the larger ills of society are played out in the gay microcosm...is very chicken and egg. Can the gays achieve it first or will we simply coincide with the rest of our culture's slow march toward real equality in the obvious and not so obvious ways.
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    Aug 31, 2010 12:51 AM GMT
    BLAH BLAH BLAH im black and i dont think pride and race should ever meet icon_neutral.gif i know blACK ppl are not as supportive as their whiter hetero counterparts but plz spear us GAY IS GAY icon_rolleyes.gif




    AND NO YOU ARE NOT BEING INSENSITIVE icon_wink.gif
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    Aug 31, 2010 1:15 AM GMT
    I wish I could tell you Conscien but I heard there are predominant black gays in DC AND Atlanta
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    Aug 31, 2010 1:20 AM GMT
    BTW: I didn't mean to hijack the thread or divert the discussion away from the OP's origninal message.

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    Aug 31, 2010 1:39 AM GMT
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    Hillie said
    conscienti1984 saidI don't mean to seem insensitive... but why is there a black gay pride?



    For the same reason we initially had "Gay Pride" Gay men needed to have some positive reinforcement that we didn't receive frm our str8 counter parts. Within our sub-culture some ppl of color don't feel they receive the same positive reinforcement frm their gay brothers so they have created a event where they receive that feeling.


    That was the type of answer I was looking for. And I find it extremely sad. I'm not sure I quite understand either since I've lived in the whitest and oldest state in the Union all my life (Maine). Why do people of color feel disconnected from gay culture?

    I think we are more powerful if we set aside our differences and melt together as one community. Diversity is great, but the more we acknowledge our differences as a culture the harder it becomes for many people to relate to one another.

    Black Gay Pride doesn't bother me--the reason behind Black Gay Pride is what bothers me... the fact that a sub-culture feels alienated enough to host it's own pride.


    I don't know what to tell you. I can't speak for everyone who looks like me. This site has been an amazing awakening for me on the issue of race in the gay community.
    For anyone to feel connected means they feel they are represented and see themselves as everyone else who stands beside them. However in life there are many things like age, weight,sex, height etc.. that keep us as individuals frm feeling apart of.. Color just happens to be a large piece of the pie.
    Just because the headline reads Black Gay Pride does not mean you can't go w/ a group of friends and support your gay brothers. Our gay bro/sis become more powerful when we acknowledge and appreciate our differences. We can't all be the same and I for one wouldn't want to to.
    Any life that has been lived well has had a diverse experience and those ppl are open and easy to relate to as they come w/ baggage of curiosity and openness for a quest of life and shouldn't we all lust for a life unfiltered.



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    Aug 31, 2010 1:45 AM GMT
    makhot saidBLAH BLAH BLAH im black and i dont think pride and race should ever meet icon_neutral.gif i know blACK ppl are not as supportive as their whiter hetero counterparts but plz spear us GAY IS GAY icon_rolleyes.gif


    AND NO YOU ARE NOT BEING INSENSITIVE icon_wink.gif




    So let the shit tossing begin. That might be the dumbest thing I've heard to date.
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    Aug 31, 2010 1:46 AM GMT
    Shouldn't the normal pride in Atlanta by default be majority Black people since the population is majority Black (~57%)? I think there should be a special "White Gay Price" in Atlanta, and have the "Gay Pride" default to Black people.
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    Aug 31, 2010 1:49 AM GMT
    Going to be a little bittersweet this year, as one of its biggest promoters was recently gunned down: http://www.projectqatlanta.com/news_articles/view/Police_use_LGBT_liaison_in_club_owners_death?gid=6203
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    Aug 31, 2010 1:55 AM GMT
    JB82 saidShouldn't the normal pride in Atlanta by default be majority Black people since the population is majority Black (~57%)? I think there should be a special "White Gay Price" in Atlanta, and have the "Gay Pride" default to Black people.




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    Aug 31, 2010 2:00 AM GMT
    WOW -- there's some racist comments on this thread. As far as I know, this is a free country. I wish all my nubian brothers a very Happy Atlanta Black Pride Weekend -- have fun and be safe!

    Now the real question is why do Atlanta celebrate Pride in October?!! I know Southerners move slower compared to their Yankee counterparts, but this slow?
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    Aug 31, 2010 2:24 AM GMT
    Black Gay Pride is awesome and so much fun. Mainstream Pride and Black Gay Pride are really two totally different things. There are issues in the black gay community that aren't as prevalent in the white gay community. Take a look at this article.

    http://www.thegrio.com/opinion/when-obama-delivered-his-gay.php

    And this may start a flamewar, but the music is better at black gay pride. How many remixes of Miley Cyrus or Lady Gaga do I have to hear? Or whatever circuit party deejay is hot (Tiesto) for example? Sometimes I want to hear some rap or hip-hop.

    JB82, you are nuts. icon_biggrin.gif That is actually really funny.
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    Aug 31, 2010 2:32 AM GMT
    n2briefs2 saidNow the real question is why do Atlanta celebrate Pride in October?!! I know Southerners move slower compared to their Yankee counterparts, but this slow?

    Up until 2 years ago, it was always the last weekend in June, to sync with Stonewall. But the drought conditions prevented large festivals in Piedmont Park, and it tried another location, which just wasn't as effective. Now (at least for the time being) it's in October back at Piedmont Park in October. One thing for certain, it won't be as damn blazing hot as Atlanta in late June.
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    Aug 31, 2010 2:45 AM GMT
    Stonewall simplicity of existence came to be because "gay" people felt that they haven't had a voice up to that point.

    Why a Black pride? A fair and just question. There's Latin Pride also. When you view what's considered attractive, in, popular among "our" "gay" communities it almost always default to younger, white, lighter hair, lighter eyes guys.

    Who normally graces the cover of our gay magazines, go go dancers (when not themed nights or in mixed neighborhoods), the same?

    Now I don't mean to make a broad statement or generalization just opening up a few eyes. Growing up in the Caribbean I myself have a preference to European looking features though I am very proud of my black heritage, culture, brothers and people. So I think it's healthy for "people" to celebrate and educate.

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    Aug 31, 2010 2:54 AM GMT
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    Hillie saidFor the same reason we initially had "Gay Pride" Gay men needed to have some positive reinforcement that we didn't receive frm our str8 counter parts. Within our sub-culture some ppl of color don't feel they receive the same positive reinforcement frm their gay brothers so they have created a event where they receive that feeling.


    And with the sub-culture of the sub-culture, there are gay black tops who need a special group. And gay black bottoms who need a special group.

    Then there's the sub-culture of the gay sub-culture which would be a sub-sub-culture of intellectual gays... they need their own little group too.

    And let's not leave out the sub-sub-culture of non-intellectual gays... they too need their own little group.

    And let's not get started on the latino gay sub-sub-culture, the blatino gay's sub-sub-culture.....

    Then there's the Irish-American gays.

    The Italian-American gays.

    The Polish-American gays.

    The Dutch-American gays.

    We humans have a tendancy to keep splintering into smaller and smaller and smaller groups, which continues the alienation of those not in a particular group.


    And of course, here on our own RJ, there's the overwhelming majority that is liberal/Democrat/socialist and you've all seen how they treat those with differeing political views.



    So what are you solutions for this?
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    Aug 31, 2010 3:01 AM GMT
    I think the reasons for the separate pride event have been well stated. This is a great way to connect with brothers from across the country and with visitors from around the world who come specifically for this event.

    n2briefs2 saidNow the real question is why does Atlanta celebrate Pride in October?!! I know Southerners move slower compared to their Yankee counterparts, but this slow?


    Traditionally, the pride celebration has taken place the last weekend in June, just as it is celebrated in so many cities. The South went through a serious drought several years ago that brought on a fear that such celebrations would cause irreparable damage to Piedmont Park where the event is hosted. This led to Pride being relocated to other venues for two years.

    Following a return to normal weather patterns, the park was no longer available in June. Last year, Pride was hosted Halloween weekend, with incredible weather [temps about 75°F and sunny skies] back in Piedmont Park. The June celebrations of prior years were frequently marred by thunder storms and scorching temperatures.

    If you are really into the meaning of Pride, the time of year becomes irrelevant. I hate to say this, but many younger gays have little concept of the struggles that led up to Stonewall and the transformations of the country's gay communities following Stonewall. This is not just a gay problem. I see it all the time with younger Black kids who know nothing of the struggle waged in the last century for the civil rights we now enjoy, as a people. My opinion is that nothing is really lost by celebrating in October. This is particularly true when the historical basis of Pride has been lost and the celebration is little more than an excuse to party..
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    Aug 31, 2010 3:07 AM GMT
    ^^^^^^^^^ WTF??????
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    Aug 31, 2010 3:23 AM GMT
    southbeach1500 said
    Hillie saidFor the same reason we initially had "Gay Pride" Gay men needed to have some positive reinforcement that we didn't receive frm our str8 counter parts. Within our sub-culture some ppl of color don't feel they receive the same positive reinforcement frm their gay brothers so they have created a event where they receive that feeling.


    And with the sub-culture of the sub-culture, there are gay black tops who need a special group. And gay black bottoms who need a special group.

    Then there's the sub-culture of the gay sub-culture which would be a sub-sub-culture of intellectual gays... they need their own little group too.

    And let's not leave out the sub-sub-culture of non-intellectual gays... they too need their own little group.

    And let's not get started on the latino gay sub-sub-culture, the blatino gay's sub-sub-culture.....

    Then there's the Irish-American gays.

    The Italian-American gays.

    The Polish-American gays.

    The Dutch-American gays.

    We humans have a tendancy to keep splintering into smaller and smaller and smaller groups, which continues the alienation of those not in a particular group.


    And of course, here on our own RJ, there's the overwhelming majority that is liberal/Democrat/socialist and you've all seen how they treat those with differeing political views.





    Ohhhh Southbeachicon_rolleyes.gif

    Irish, Italian, Polish and Dutch still identify as caucasian so...........ur point?
    If as a culture of ppl we were accepting of difference there would be no need to splinter. At the end of the day everyone wants to feel acknowledged and when that does not come frm those you feel you should have a kinship w/ for what ever reason. You find ways to reaffirm who you are and who you want to be.
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    Aug 31, 2010 3:27 AM GMT
    1969er said^^^^^^^^^ WTF??????


    You ain't seen nothing yet! It gets worse or more entertaining depending on your tolerance level. Sit back and enjoy the show.
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    Aug 31, 2010 3:40 AM GMT
    Balljunkie said

    So what are you solutions for this?


    Shut up and stop complaining about it, clearly. He says that racism doesn't exist, and the only reason anyone brings it up is to get special privileges.