what happens when you are about ready to leave this earth?

  • rnch

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    Aug 31, 2010 3:33 AM GMT
    waddua think?

    will a long ago deceased love one(s) appear in front of you, to "help you make the journey" to....whereever...you go?


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    Aug 31, 2010 3:40 AM GMT
    rnch saidwhat happens when you are about ready to leave this earth?
    Either Air Traffic Control says "cleared for takeoff," or the command center says "liftoff!"
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    Aug 31, 2010 4:18 AM GMT
    i 'm hoping for angels... from the White Party .

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    Aug 31, 2010 4:41 AM GMT
    ...some how I am expecting escorts in red from the "Pimps and Ho's" party....icon_eek.gificon_biggrin.gif
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    Aug 31, 2010 4:45 AM GMT
    What if it's a currently living loved one holding a pillow to your face?
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    Aug 31, 2010 4:55 AM GMT
    What happens if you die suddenly? Car crash, plane crash, soldier killed by an IED, stray bullet to the head, whatever. Presumably you get denied that theatrical moment. So why should only someone dying more slowly get that opportunity? Or need it? Sounds rather discriminatory to me.
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    Aug 31, 2010 5:58 AM GMT
    Depends... If the whole heaven / hell thing is true, I would probably be greeted by some deity that may or may not ask me questions. I'll inevitably make fun of him or her, and they will toss me into a giant lake of fire. I'll have my non-existent skin burned off, and my non-existent nerves will continuously grow back at a very rapid pace so that I continue to feel painful sensations of burning. My brain will be fully functional, and not allow myself to go into shock so that I can continue to be tortured for all eternity. There will be gnashing of teeth, a bunch of pussies crying about where they're at, yadda yadda yadda. I probably won't see most of my family, since (as far as I know) they're all believers in said deity. I guess at that point, I'll just be chilling in the wading pool of hellfire and molten sulfur. Hopefully I can find something to use as a wakeboard, because it's probably going to be pretty damned boring just hanging out in a lake of burning rock that smells like fresh manure.

    If the whole heaven / hell thing isn't true, then I guess I won't exactly be leaving this planet, unless I somehow die outside of the Earth's atmosphere.
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    Aug 31, 2010 8:03 AM GMT
    beam me up to the mother ship, scotty....icon_cool.gif
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    Aug 31, 2010 9:45 AM GMT
    See you on the other side.
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    Aug 31, 2010 9:47 AM GMT
    Hopefully I'll evacuate my bowels by following through......


    Hi protein diet... maybe I'll take out a few people with me!
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    Aug 31, 2010 11:34 AM GMT
    Nothing magical happens. There are no angels, devils, gods, etc. You simply cease to exist living. No thought, no pain, no perception, no agony, no bliss, nothing. The absence of god should make us all feel pretty damned good.
  • Kage

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    Aug 31, 2010 11:38 AM GMT
    McGay saidNothing magical happens. There are no angels, devils, gods, etc. You simply cease to exist living. No thought, no pain, no perception, no agony, no bliss, nothing. The absence of god should make us all feel pretty damned good.


    Interesting.
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    Aug 31, 2010 11:39 AM GMT
    McGay saidNothing magical happens. There are no angels, devils, gods, etc. You simply cease to exist living. No thought, no pain, no perception, no agony, no bliss, nothing. The absence of god should make us all feel pretty damned good.


    This is my opinion as well.
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    Aug 31, 2010 11:52 AM GMT
    Pyrotech saidDepends... If the whole heaven / hell thing is true, I would probably be greeted by some deity that may or may not ask me questions. I'll inevitably make fun of him or her, and they will toss me into a giant lake of fire. I'll have my non-existent skin burned off, and my non-existent nerves will continuously grow back at a very rapid pace so that I continue to feel painful sensations of burning. My brain will be fully functional, and not allow myself to go into shock so that I can continue to be tortured for all eternity. There will be gnashing of teeth, a bunch of pussies crying about where they're at, yadda yadda yadda. I probably won't see most of my family, since (as far as I know) they're all believers in said deity. I guess at that point, I'll just be chilling in the wading pool of hellfire and molten sulfur. Hopefully I can find something to use as a wakeboard, because it's probably going to be pretty damned boring just hanging out in a lake of burning rock that smells like fresh manure.

    If the whole heaven / hell thing isn't true, then I guess I won't exactly be leaving this planet, unless I somehow die outside of the Earth's atmosphere.


    Seriously though, I went to a spa in Florida that sounds slot like the "Lake of Hellfire Place" you are talking about. They beat me with cacti and shit...
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    Aug 31, 2010 11:57 AM GMT
    Art_Deco saidWhat happens if you die suddenly? Car crash, plane crash, soldier killed by an IED, stray bullet to the head, whatever. Presumably you get denied that theatrical moment. So why should only someone dying more slowly get that opportunity? Or need it? Sounds rather discriminatory to me.


    Obviously we have no witness testimony, but I'm guessing the brain remains active for a few seconds, even where death is instantaneous. I'm sure the electrical impulses still give you that 'moving toward the bright light' illusion. Then you die. The end.
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    Aug 31, 2010 11:59 AM GMT
    conscienti1984 said
    McGay saidNothing magical happens. There are no angels, devils, gods, etc. You simply cease to exist living. No thought, no pain, no perception, no agony, no bliss, nothing. The absence of god should make us all feel pretty damned good.


    This is my opinion as well.

    I wouldn't say that there is no "God", but I really don't think any of us have ever read about him/her/it in any book, if a "God" really did create the Universe as we know it. I guess I'm open to both possibilities. I'm equally satisfied to waste into dust, as I am to meet my creator...as long as he isn't the "God" of the Bible.
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    Aug 31, 2010 12:24 PM GMT
    BeingThePhoenix said
    conscienti1984 said
    McGay saidNothing magical happens. There are no angels, devils, gods, etc. You simply cease to exist living. No thought, no pain, no perception, no agony, no bliss, nothing. The absence of god should make us all feel pretty damned good.


    This is my opinion as well.

    I wouldn't say that there is no "God", but I really don't think any of us have ever read about him/her/it in any book, if a "God" really did create the Universe as we know it. I guess I'm open to both possibilities. I'm equally satisfied to waste into dust, as I am to meet my creator...as long as he isn't the "God" of the Bible.


    I can't say that there IS NO god, but I can't say that there IS one either. However, that doesn't mean that the two stated possibilities have absloutely an equal (50/50) probablilty of being true. Agnosticism is a wide spectrum... with atheism being on one end.
  • ZacktheMan

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    Aug 31, 2010 1:42 PM GMT
    Our Body is not us. We are Spirit, our body is merely clothing for us, each of us being spirit. Scientists have tried to locate where in our brain memories are stored by brain activity while the person is recalling memories. Thus they once thought that they understood where in the brain memories are stored, Brain damage to that area should have destroyed those memories, but the same memories return in another area of the brain.

    We are not our body. Through our thoughts we tell our body to do certain things like turn to the left or right, pick up a sandwich, read, etc. but 99% of the functions of our body operate without our awareness or our control.

    If we get behind the drivers seat of a car, through our thoughts we control our car, make it go straight, left, right, or back up; to go or stop, the speed, etc. The car, like our body, performs many functions that we are oblivious to. And no one would say the car is us. Similarly our body is not us.

    People have had out of body experiences, where they can see their own bodies and what is going on around it, and even go somewhere else before returning to their body. One of my brothers experienced leaving his body after his school bus got into an accident, he looked down to see the arrival of the ambulance and being put in a stretcher, and he saw all the commotion going on around that scene, before he returned to his body.

    My spirit, when a child, left my body while I was sleeping, and rising way above my home, as everything became smaller and smaller, including Earth, then I was suddenly in the most beautiful place of trees hills waters. and I had another out of body experience many years later, which i will not share.

    But this one I will.

    As a child perhaps 9 or 10, I use to feed nuts to squirrels and they became very friendly toward me. This one squirrel would come to my 3rd floor window and I occasionally gave him a walnut, and watch cut it open it by sawing it with his teeth. Then I used a nutcracker a few times and left the cracked open walnut on the window sill. after a few times of this, I decided to go back to just giving him the walnut. He took it away, then to my surprise he returned to my window with the walnut. He looked at me while holding the walnut. As I didn't move, he came into my room, which startled me a bit. He placed the nut on the desk, and stared at me. I figured out that he wanted me to use the nutcracker to open it, and I did and he hurriedly ate the nut and left. Around this time, I wondered what it would be like to be a squirrel with such a small brain. and this may have been a dream, but I was in a squirrel's body, seeing through squirrel's eyes, looking at my house from the tree branches, and then running through the tree and jumping branches, and observing the world around me from a squirrels perspective.

    Here is a few Jewish thoughts on life after death:

    http://www.simpletoremember.com/articles/a/jewish-afterlife-beliefs/

    The Christian view is that all can receive eternal life as a gift from God through Jesus by accepting His blood atonement on the cross as washing away all one's sins for all time, and thereby enter into a fellowship with God via the indwelling Holy Spirit, by whom we are transformed to naturally do the good He created us to do.

    John 3:4-19
    4 Nicodemus said to Him, "How can a man be born when he is old? He cannot enter a second time into his mother's womb and be born, can he?" Jesus answered, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Do not be amazed that I said to you, 'You must be born again.' The wind blows where it wishes and you hear the sound of it, but do not know where it comes from and where it is going; so is everyone who is born of the Spirit."

    9 Nicodemus said to Him, "How can these things be?"

    Jesus answered and said to him, "Are you the teacher of Israel and do not understand these things? Truly, truly, I say to you, we speak of what we know and testify of what we have seen, and you do not accept our testimony. If I told you earthly things and you do not believe, how will you believe if I tell you heavenly things? No one has ascended into heaven, but He who descended from heaven: the Son of Man. As Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of Man be lifted up; so that whoever believes will in Him have eternal life."

    16 "For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life. For God did not send the Son into the world to judge the world, but that the world might be saved through Him. He who believes in Him is not judged; he who does not believe has been judged already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

    NASU

    This is how easy God made it for anyone to have eternal life. You need not be perfect, you need not been sinless to receive eternal life. The fact is we will all sin throughout our life on earth. Eternal life is truly a gift from God.

    As to Moses holding up the serpent staff: The people were inflicted with poison that would soon make them die. If they looked upon the serpent staff that Moses held up, they were instantly cured and lived. Those who did not believe such nonsense and did not look, died.



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    Aug 31, 2010 1:45 PM GMT
    What a shame we all became, such fragile broken things.
  • Kage

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    Aug 31, 2010 1:48 PM GMT
    conscienti1984 said
    Agnosticism is a wide spectrum... with atheism being on one end.


    Errr...no.
    Atheism is not equal to agnosticism as agnosticism is not equal to atheism.

    The two are wholly seperate even though there are those that accept the idea that you get varying classifications of Agnosticism and varying classifications of Atheism.
    I however disagree with that idea.



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    Aug 31, 2010 1:52 PM GMT
    From my time in volunteer palliative care I've witnessed a lot of very enlightening things. I've watched people ready to go do this:

    Watch what his hand does...then watch the rest; whether it's real or not is up to each of you. Either way, it's quite beautifully expressed in this video clip.




    It appears that they are two places at once, and what they do This Side physically reflects what's going on that we can't perceive.

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    Aug 31, 2010 1:58 PM GMT
    I have found that most people we prefer to grasp onto what we do not know, the ethereal, irrational and supernatural far easier and more readily than what we do know, the mundane and natural.

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    Aug 31, 2010 2:02 PM GMT
    I don't look at things in terms of heaven and hell or life and death even. The universe is far to elegant for that. When I die I will continue to transform like all my matter has for billions of years. Who knows where I'll go, or if consciousness and life will ever be properties of my makeup again. I will continue to flow through the universe forever and that is infinite and finite enough at the same time.
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    Aug 31, 2010 2:04 PM GMT
    "Nothing magical happens. There are no angels, devils, gods, etc. You simply cease to exist living. No thought, no pain, no perception, no agony, no bliss, nothing. The absence of god should make us all feel pretty damned good."


    No, the absence of God is pretty damned disturbing... Having had near death experiences numerous times I can say that it's not as alarming as you may think (time slows down and you reach a moment of clarity) and it may actually be pretty relaxing... That is if your at ease with yourself.

    Btw please don't misconstrue my words. I love life!
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    Aug 31, 2010 2:10 PM GMT
    In fairness God makes you feel the emotions that you have made others feel! Think about how many ppl you fuck over unknowingly... We're doomed!