Gotta love Texas: Gov. Rick Perry

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    Sep 01, 2010 12:57 AM GMT
    On the Campaign Trail With Gov. Rick Perry

    http://www.texastribune.org/texas-politics/2010-texas-governors-race/on-the-campaign-trail-with-gov-rick-perry/

    I love this little gem:

    "Social issues might be in the back seat, but they're still in the car: "There is still a land of opportunity, friends — it's called Texas," Perry said. "We're creating more jobs than any other state in the nation. ... Would you rather live in a state like this, or in a state where a man can marry a man?""

    Was that really necessary?
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    Sep 01, 2010 1:56 AM GMT
    Balljunkie saidOn the Campaign Trail With Gov. Rick Perry

    http://www.texastribune.org/texas-politics/2010-texas-governors-race/on-the-campaign-trail-with-gov-rick-perry/

    I love this little gem:

    "Social issues might be in the back seat, but they're still in the car: "There is still a land of opportunity, friends — it's called Texas," Perry said. "We're creating more jobs than any other state in the nation. ... Would you rather live in a state like this, or in a state where a man can marry a man?""

    Was that really necessary?


    Hell, yeah.

    Perry needs to appeal to the typical Republican, so he needs to say shit like this, whether he believes it or not.

    It's what they do.
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    Sep 01, 2010 2:06 AM GMT
    MunchingZombie said


    Me likey Mojo Nixon!
  • Webster666

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    Sep 01, 2010 3:50 AM GMT
    "Creating more jobs than any state in the nation ?"

    As of July, 2010, TWENTY states had a lower unemployment rate than Texas, and two states had the same rate as Texas.

    Bureau of Labor Statistics News Release, August 20, 2010
    July 2010 State Unemployment Rates *


    Alabama
    9.7
    Montana
    7.3
    Alaska
    7.7
    Nebraska
    4.7
    Arizona
    9.6
    Nevada
    14.3
    Arkansas
    7.4
    New Hampshire
    5.8
    California
    12.3
    New Jersey
    9.7
    Colorado
    8.0
    New Mexico
    8.2
    Connecticut
    8.9
    New York
    8.2
    Delaware
    8.4
    North Carolina
    9.8
    D.C.
    9.8
    North Dakota
    3.6
    Florida
    11.5
    Ohio
    10.3
    Georgia
    9.9
    Oklahoma
    6.9
    Hawaii
    6.3
    Oregon
    10.6
    Idaho
    8.8
    Pennsylvania
    9.3
    Illinois
    10.3
    Puerto Rico
    16.1
    Indiana
    10.2
    Rhode Island
    11.9
    Iowa
    6.8
    South Carolina
    10.8
    Kansas
    6.5
    South Dakota
    4.4
    Kentucky
    9.9
    Tennessee
    9.8
    Louisiana
    7.2
    Texas
    8.2
    Maine
    8.1
    Utah
    7.2
    Maryland
    7.1
    Vermont
    6.0
    Massachusetts
    9.0
    Virginia
    7.0
    Michigan
    13.1
    Washington
    8.9
    Minnesota
    6.8
    West Virginia
    8.6
    Mississippi
    10.8
    Wisconsin
    7.8
    Missouri
    9.2
    Wyoming
    6.7
    Source: U.S. Dept. of Labor, Bureau of Labor Statistics
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    Sep 01, 2010 3:54 AM GMT
    OtterJoq saidPerry needs to appeal to the typical Republican, so he needs to say shit like this, whether he believes it or not.

    You don't believe Perry believes that, along with the majority of Republicans?
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    Sep 01, 2010 3:54 AM GMT
    Perry knows the TX electorate.
    I lived in Dallas for two years, and TX is the most homophobic gay-hating place I've ever been in.
    Comments like that will only help him get elected in TX.

    TX is where Bush and Rove learned the anti-gay tricks they used to help get Bush reelected in 2004.
  • Mepark

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    Sep 01, 2010 6:26 AM GMT
    ^ Texas is also the state where we elected the first openly gay big-city mayor, oh and the first openly gay sheriff.
    Should I go on?....... the state from where the first first lady in history (Laura Bush) announced full support for gay marriage.
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    Sep 01, 2010 8:02 AM GMT
    Yeah, my mum has always had one of those jobs. You can work minimum wage with no protections, no health insurance, and no possibility of getting it, while being bled to fewer and fewer hours as you get older. Texas has been awful for her.

    Texas may have a higher quantity of jobs, the but the quality of too many of those jobs leave people barely hanging on.
  • GQjock

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    Sep 01, 2010 10:03 AM GMT
    Whaddya expect from the state that gave us Dubya ? icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Sep 01, 2010 2:38 PM GMT
    Wow what an uncalled for statement. To equate social issues with economic ones is just deliberately stupid.
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    Sep 01, 2010 6:56 PM GMT
    mocktwinkie saidWow what an uncalled for statement. To equate social issues with economic ones is just deliberately stupid.

    But popular with the Republican base, and so he said it.
  • tazzari

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    Sep 01, 2010 9:56 PM GMT
    "We're creating more jobs than any other state in the nation. ... Would you rather live in a state like this, or in a state where a man can marry a man?""

    That's a false dichotomy - the two things have nothing to do with eachother.

    I'd go for both.

    AND I'd bet that states with same-sex marriage, because they offer a more liberal environment, probably attract more creative types, and as a result are better positioned for development. (See http://www.creativeclass.com/)
  • Webster666

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    Sep 01, 2010 10:17 PM GMT
    Mepark said^ Texas is also the state where we elected the first openly gay big-city mayor, oh and the first openly gay sheriff.
    Should I go on?....... the state from where the first first lady in history (Laura Bush) announced full support for gay marriage.




    HOLD IT there, pardner !
    Laura Bush's comments were AFTER her stupid husband left office.
    So, they don't count.
  • roadbikeRob

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    Sep 01, 2010 11:01 PM GMT
    Republicans in Texas are among the dumbest most primitive minded morons in the country. Rick Perry's latest comparison of states with the best employment opportunites and states with gay marriage is totally off the wall. But it is the Texas GOP so why is anyone shocked by the stupidity coming out of the governor's mouth?
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    Sep 01, 2010 11:03 PM GMT
    Mepark saidthe state from where the first first lady in history (Laura Bush) announced full support for gay marriage.


    Betty Ford has her beat on that point.
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    Sep 01, 2010 11:09 PM GMT
    Webster666 said
    Mepark said^ Texas is also the state where we elected the first openly gay big-city mayor, oh and the first openly gay sheriff.
    Should I go on?....... the state from where the first first lady in history (Laura Bush) announced full support for gay marriage.




    HOLD IT there, pardner !
    Laura Bush's comments were AFTER her stupid husband left office.
    So, they don't count.


    Have Michelle and Barack announced their full support for gay marriage?

    NOPE.

    You love holding republicans to standards that you don't even hold democrats to.
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    Sep 01, 2010 11:19 PM GMT
    mocktwinkie said
    Webster666 said
    Mepark said^ Texas is also the state where we elected the first openly gay big-city mayor, oh and the first openly gay sheriff.
    Should I go on?....... the state from where the first first lady in history (Laura Bush) announced full support for gay marriage.




    HOLD IT there, pardner !
    Laura Bush's comments were AFTER her stupid husband left office.
    So, they don't count.


    Have Michelle and Barack announced their full support for gay marriage?

    NOPE.

    You love holding republicans to standards that you don't even hold democrats to.


    They do, however, support full rights. Something most members of the GOP don't even support. The Republican governor of Hawaii recently vetoed legislation that would give full rights to domestic partners. Where are the elected Republicans supporting anything as nice as the Obamas?
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    Sep 02, 2010 2:04 PM GMT
    MunchingZombie said
    mocktwinkie said
    Webster666 said
    Mepark said^ Texas is also the state where we elected the first openly gay big-city mayor, oh and the first openly gay sheriff.
    Should I go on?....... the state from where the first first lady in history (Laura Bush) announced full support for gay marriage.




    HOLD IT there, pardner !
    Laura Bush's comments were AFTER her stupid husband left office.
    So, they don't count.


    Have Michelle and Barack announced their full support for gay marriage?

    NOPE.

    You love holding republicans to standards that you don't even hold democrats to.


    They do, however, support full rights. Something most members of the GOP don't even support. The Republican governor of Hawaii recently vetoed legislation that would give full rights to domestic partners. Where are the elected Republicans supporting anything as nice as the Obamas?


    What do you mean by "full rights"? You should look around at some other threads and read how republicans are more and more supporting gay marriage as well as giving large donations to causes promoting gay rights.
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    Sep 02, 2010 2:14 PM GMT
    "What do you mean by "full rights"? You should look around at some other threads and read how republicans are more and more supporting gay marriage as well as giving large donations to causes promoting gay rights."


    This would work better with a few links, Mock.

    As well, this must be very very recent, and we've noticed a bit of a change as well, but only after public opinions began changing and certain things occurred, like Barak proclaiming June gay and lesbian pride month (Mom remarked it was very well placed as June is also the traditional month of marriage)

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gay_and_Lesbian_Pride_Month

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/June

    ...so when you say things about your current government, please pay attention to subtle but telling moves the gov't has made.

    -Doug
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    Sep 02, 2010 3:27 PM GMT
    meninlove said"What do you mean by "full rights"? You should look around at some other threads and read how republicans are more and more supporting gay marriage as well as giving large donations to causes promoting gay rights."


    This would work better with a few links, Mock.

    As well, this must be very very recent, and we've noticed a bit of a change as well, but only after public opinions began changing and certain things occurred, like Barak proclaiming June gay and lesbian pride month (Mom remarked it was very well placed as June is also the traditional month of marriage)

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gay_and_Lesbian_Pride_Month

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/June

    ...so when you say things about your current government, please pay attention to subtle but telling moves the gov't has made.

    -Doug


    It's all politics. Pretend that you have a deep interest in the welfare of a certain demographic of people so that they vote for you. Gay and lesbian pride month, seriously? I couldn't care less...I'm just a person with a different orientation than most.

    Gay rights are a result of human progress, regardless of political affiliation.

    If ALL republicans were in full support of gay rights a great deal of people here would still find a reason to be more in favor of democrats. There are economic issues at work which involves ALL of us and the livelihood of hard working gay folks.
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    "Gay and lesbian pride month, seriously? I could care less...I'm just a person with a different orientation than most."

    This explains much. Go get a job in Montana and see what happens when they find out you're gay, or they think you are.

    "But proving that the homophobia of the Texas GOP doesn't exist in a vacuum, word comes now that the 2010 party platform of the Montana GOP also calls for criminalizing homosexuality and arresting gay people. Towleroad broke it yesterday, quoting the Montana platform word for word: "We support the clear will of the people of Montana expressed by legislation to keep homosexual acts illegal."

    http://gayrights.change.org/blog/view/montanas_republicans_want_to_arrest_gay_people



    The expression is 'you couldn't care less'.

    The topic is about social issues, icon_rolleyes.gif and the role gov't has in them.

    -Doug

    PS I'm still waiting to see links to back up that the GOP is donating money and fighting for gay rights.
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    Sep 02, 2010 4:12 PM GMT
    meninlove said
    "Gay and lesbian pride month, seriously? I could care less...I'm just a person with a different orientation than most."

    This explains much. Go get a job in Montana and see what happens when they find out you're gay, or they think you are.

    "But proving that the homophobia of the Texas GOP doesn't exist in a vacuum, word comes now that the 2010 party platform of the Montana GOP also calls for criminalizing homosexuality and arresting gay people. Towleroad broke it yesterday, quoting the Montana platform word for word: "We support the clear will of the people of Montana expressed by legislation to keep homosexual acts illegal."

    http://gayrights.change.org/blog/view/montanas_republicans_want_to_arrest_gay_people



    The expression is 'you couldn't care less'.

    The topic is about social issues, icon_rolleyes.gif and the role gov't has in them.

    -Doug

    PS I'm still waiting to see links to back up that the GOP is donating money and fighting for gay rights.


    Thanks for the typo correction.

    As far as the links, there was a topic posted about it like yesterday or day before? Ah, here it is: http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/1121200
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    Sep 02, 2010 5:03 PM GMT
    What do I mean by full rights? I, of course, mean the over 1,200 legal rights granted by marriage. And while that isn't as good as marriage, it is a he'll of a lot better than anything coming from elected Republicans.

    And yes, we had the Mehlman thread and Laura Bush supports marriage. But that isn't the question I asked. The President supports giving us all these rights and I can't think of a single Republican in a major office who does. And, again, when we were offered all legal rights but not the world marriage the Republican governor of Hawaii vetoed it.
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    Sep 02, 2010 5:40 PM GMT
    MunchingZombie saidWhat do I mean by full rights? I, of course, mean the over 1,200 legal rights granted by marriage. And while that isn't as good as marriage, it is a he'll of a lot better than anything coming from elected Republicans.

    And yes, we had the Mehlman thread and Laura Bush supports marriage. But that isn't the question I asked. The President supports giving us all these rights and I can't think of a single Republican in a major office who does. And, again, when we were offered all legal rights but not the world marriage the Republican governor of Hawaii vetoed it.


    There is no question that the republican party's biggest weakness is the hypocritical notion that their idea of "more freedom" doesn't seem to include certain things viewed by the religious conservative voting sector of the republican party as being "immoral" -- but this is something that will hopefully progress over time. But this is as inherently bad as the fact that you have many democrats who share the same social conservatism and opposition to things like gay rights but simultaneously vote democrat believing it is for their own economic benefit.

    I believe in more economic and social freedom, and unfortunately there is no major party that has it all and I have to vote for the lesser of the two evils considering OVERALL policy.