Political Corruption Much?

  • GQjock

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    Sep 02, 2010 10:44 AM GMT
    Arizona's Breathing While Brown Law SB1070
    That Gov Jan Brewer signed into law seems to have been a big fat wet kiss to political friends and cronies
    Seems that the private prison company CCA (Remember the AZ prison that recently F*ked up so badly by letting some prisoners get away)
    CCA stands to make lots and lots of money when people start being held after the police stop them
    Many people on Brewer's staff have ties to CCA
    PLUS her campaign manager is a lobbyist
    for CCA
    and when the CBS affiliate made that connection Brewer's campaign dropped their campaign ads on that station as retaliation
    http://blogs.phoenixnewtimes.com/bastard/2010/09/jan_brewers_chuck_coughlin_cca.php

    ........................... and republicans wanna investigate Obama icon_rolleyes.gif
    Repubs ..... you are an entertaining bunch I do gotta say that

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    Sep 02, 2010 11:51 AM GMT
    Maybe it's because I am reading all of the conspiracy stuff lately, but political corruption just seems to be everywhere. From the local goernment all the way up to the national level.

    After reading a few John Perkins book and Jason Kelly's "Financially Stupid People are Everywhere" it's pretty neat how all of this stuff plays out.
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    Sep 02, 2010 1:59 PM GMT
    Just admit it, you're in favor of illegal immigration because you'd rather have no one do anything about it.

    P.S. the law explicitly prohibits racial profiling.
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    Sep 02, 2010 7:14 PM GMT
    Jan Brewer...what a train wreck in progress she is!

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    Sep 02, 2010 7:17 PM GMT
    OtterJoq saidJan Brewer...what a train wreck in progress she is!



    And your idea of progress is increasing illegal immigration.
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    Sep 02, 2010 7:22 PM GMT
    mocktwinkie saidJust admit it, you're in favor of illegal immigration because you'd rather have no one do anything about it.

    P.S. the law explicitly prohibits racial profiling.


    What a shell game.

    This has nothing to do with immigration and everything to do with possible corrupt behavior. They could follow their law exactly with a different private contractor subject to public, competitive bidding. It doesn't matter if they are contracted to pick up brown people or serve lunch at a prison cafeteria, a fair and transparent contracting process is ethical.
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    Sep 02, 2010 10:33 PM GMT
    Whoaaaaa ..... Eeehhh Wait a minute thar Partner

    Maxine Waters and Charlie Rangel's Alleged misdoings weren't part of a party movement
    Anti-immigration laws are the cornerstone of the republicans running theme this year
    The raining brown babies .... the Mexicans are gonna come and rape our wimmenfolk theme
    But Lo and Behold ................. Violent Crime in Arizona is down this year
    and Illegal Immigration is down by two thirds

    ................................. So why the Nazi-like where are your papers please laws that republicans say we need so bad?

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    Sep 02, 2010 10:43 PM GMT
    GQjock saidWhoaaaaa ..... Eeehhh Wait a minute thar Partner

    Maxine Waters and Charlie Rangel's Alleged misdoings weren't part of a party movement
    Anti-immigration laws are the cornerstone of the republicans running theme this year
    The raining brown babies .... the Mexicans are gonna come and rape our wimmenfolk theme
    But Lo and Behold ................. Violent Crime in Arizona is down this year
    and Illegal Immigration is down by two thirds

    ................................. So why the Nazi-like where are your papers please laws that republicans say we need so bad?

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    Yes, babies and people that have to be taken care of by taxpayers. Nobody cares what color they are.
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    Sep 02, 2010 11:56 PM GMT
    MunchingZombie said
    mocktwinkie saidJust admit it, you're in favor of illegal immigration because you'd rather have no one do anything about it.

    P.S. the law explicitly prohibits racial profiling.


    What a shell game.

    This has nothing to do with immigration and everything to do with possible corrupt behavior. They could follow their law exactly with a different private contractor subject to public, competitive bidding. It doesn't matter if they are contracted to pick up brown people or serve lunch at a prison cafeteria, a fair and transparent contracting process is ethical.


    What Zombie said. Much like Bush and Cheney with Halliburton and the oil companies, Brewer wants more laws to put more people in jail so her corporate patrons will make more money. Thankfully, she's not invading another country to do it, but it's corruption all the same.

    As to Waters and Rangle, I think Waters is probably innocent of wrongdoing. The case against her is very THIN. At worst, it seems she used her influence to get a minority bank TARP funding. If you read Too Big Too Fail, you would know that the CEOs of various banks were actively consulted and, in some cases, courted for the involvement in fixing the financial crisis, which some of them caused.

    And then there's the $1 trillion dollars that someone misplaced in Iraq that the media never talks about. icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Sep 03, 2010 12:13 AM GMT
    southbeach1500 said
    Christian73 said
    And then there's the $1 trillion dollars that someone misplaced in Iraq that the media never talks about. icon_rolleyes.gif

    In Iraq?

    Or spent primarily here in America to support the Iraq war?



    In Iraq. More than a trillion dollars sent to Iraq has been "lost" since the beginning of the war. Or, perhaps it would be more accurate to say "not accounted for" or "hidden in Eric Prince's pants next to his evil penis which stands up when hot boys walk by, so that means gay people are bad."
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    Sep 03, 2010 12:13 AM GMT
    mocktwinkie saidJust admit it, you're in favor of illegal immigration because you'd rather have no one do anything about it.

    P.S. the law explicitly prohibits racial profiling.


    Did you watch the video posted by the OP? It would be interesting to read your comments specifically about its contents.
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    Sep 03, 2010 12:30 AM GMT
    Meanwhile, here's a kind of cute story about Gov. Brewer's penchant for what we might call (if we want to be charitable) exaggeration:



    And before anyone jumps on me with a response like, "Well, Democratic politicians do stuff like this, too," I couldn't agree more (and the guy in the video says that himself).

    Southbeach may be right about one thing: Many, perhaps most, politicians are idiots.



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    Sep 03, 2010 3:29 AM GMT
    southbeach1500 said
    Christian73 said
    southbeach1500 said
    Christian73 said
    And then there's the $1 trillion dollars that someone misplaced in Iraq that the media never talks about. icon_rolleyes.gif

    In Iraq?

    Or spent primarily here in America to support the Iraq war?



    In Iraq. More than a trillion dollars sent to Iraq has been "lost" since the beginning of the war. Or, perhaps it would be more accurate to say "not accounted for" or "hidden in Eric Prince's pants next to his evil penis which stands up when hot boys walk by, so that means gay people are bad."


    You're not making sense, which is unusual for you, as you are on my (very) short list of people on here who usually do make sense.


    SB - There have been countless reports of "missing money" totaling $1 trillion since the war. It has not been accounted for and may have been stolen, given to warlords, paid "off the books" to contractors, etc. It's the result of extensive corruption with the Bush administration and military contractors.
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    Sep 03, 2010 10:52 AM GMT
    southbeach1500 said
    GQjock said
    Anti-immigration laws are the cornerstone of the republicans running theme this year


    The Republicans are not running on an anti-immigration theme.

    They are advocating an anti-ILLEGAL immigration policy. Something that the President of the United States is constitutionally bound to enforce.

    Why is it that you liberals always leave out that particular word?


    Republican Tim James is running for governor on a platform that includes requiring driver’s license exams to be given only in English, a proposal which his staff touts as a “common sense solution” to the problem of illegal immigration — and the hosts of Fox & Friends are in complete agreement. “This is Alabama. We speak English. If you want to live here, learn it,” James asserts in a campaign ad featured by Fox on Wednesday.
    GOPer: I Support Deporting American Citizens Whose Parents Are Illegal Immigrants
    http://tpmlivewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/04/goper-i-support-deporting-american-citizens-whose-parents-are-illegal-immigrants-video.php
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    Sep 03, 2010 11:59 AM GMT
    GQjock said
    southbeach1500 said
    GQjock said
    Anti-immigration laws are the cornerstone of the republicans running theme this year


    The Republicans are not running on an anti-immigration theme.

    They are advocating an anti-ILLEGAL immigration policy. Something that the President of the United States is constitutionally bound to enforce.

    Why is it that you liberals always leave out that particular word?


    Republican Tim James is running for governor on a platform that includes requiring driver’s license exams to be given only in English, a proposal which his staff touts as a “common sense solution” to the problem of illegal immigration — and the hosts of Fox & Friends are in complete agreement. “This is Alabama. We speak English. If you want to live here, learn it,” James asserts in a campaign ad featured by Fox on Wednesday.
    GOPer: I Support Deporting American Citizens Whose Parents Are Illegal Immigrants
    http://tpmlivewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/04/goper-i-support-deporting-american-citizens-whose-parents-are-illegal-immigrants-video.php
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    This is an example of where the conservative mind's inability to deal with ambiguity, its desire for simple answers, and its need for a common enemy comes into strong play. Anyone without those limitations understands that if all illegal workers were magically deported tomorrow that a significant amount of the US infrastructure would collapse. But just like the idea that roads pave themselves and in fact came already paved so why should they pay taxes, they think there will be no impact to them from what they suggest. And say things like WHY DO YOU THINK THEY CALL THEM ILLEGAL? HUH? as though there was a workable solution that came from that.

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    Sep 03, 2010 12:45 PM GMT
    southbeach1500 said
    GQjock said
    Anti-immigration laws are the cornerstone of the republicans running theme this year


    The Republicans are not running on an anti-immigration theme.

    They are advocating an anti-ILLEGAL immigration policy. Something that the President of the United States is constitutionally bound to enforce.

    Why is it that you liberals always leave out that particular word?

    Gee, how come Republicans only discovered illegal immigration after a Democrat moved into the White House? George Bush made occasional noises but did nothing for 8 years. NOW it's a national priority and an emergency? Why wasn't Bush "Constitutionally bound" to enforce immigration laws? Could it be because Republican political contributors wanted to keep using cheap illegal labor?

    Republicans in border states are very much exploiting an anti-immigration theme. Yours is an absurd statement if you read the news (other than the extreme right-wing outlets you keep spamming here). Gov. Brewer's whole campaign is based on her 1070 support, as she was behind in the polls before this issue was raised, and has now moved ahead, solely on that issue.

    Republicans always need an enemy and fear for their campaigns. For decades it was the communists, who not only wanted to destroy the US but take away our Christian religion. In 2004 it was us gays, who would destroy the American family, and who also threaten Christian values. They're still using that one. And now illegal immigrants have been added to the hate list.

    Along with socialists, whoever they are, the current surrogates for communists. If you don't believe in Republican right-wing fascist doctrine then you are by default a socialist. Obama is a socialist, Nancy Pelosi is a socialist, every Democrat is a socialist. Right-wing hysteria -- we saw it in the 1950s, and we're seeing it again, most obviously with the teabaggers, orchestrated by the Republican Party. We as gays should be the most worried by this, since we continue to be one of their primary targets.
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    GQjock said
    southbeach1500 said
    GQjock said
    Anti-immigration laws are the cornerstone of the republicans running theme this year


    The Republicans are not running on an anti-immigration theme.

    They are advocating an anti-ILLEGAL immigration policy. Something that the President of the United States is constitutionally bound to enforce.

    Why is it that you liberals always leave out that particular word?


    Republican Tim James is running for governor on a platform that includes requiring driver’s license exams to be given only in English, a proposal which his staff touts as a “common sense solution” to the problem of illegal immigration — and the hosts of Fox & Friends are in complete agreement. “This is Alabama. We speak English. If you want to live here, learn it,” James asserts in a campaign ad featured by Fox on Wednesday.
    GOPer: I Support Deporting American Citizens Whose Parents Are Illegal Immigrants
    http://tpmlivewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/04/goper-i-support-deporting-american-citizens-whose-parents-are-illegal-immigrants-video.php
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    This is an example of where the conservative mind's inability to deal with ambiguity, its desire for simple answers, and its need for a common enemy comes into strong play. Anyone without those limitations understands that if all illegal workers were magically deported tomorrow that a significant amount of the US infrastructure would collapse. But just like the idea that roads pave themselves and in fact came already paved so why should they pay taxes, they think there will be no impact to them from what they suggest. And say things like WHY DO YOU THINK THEY CALL THEM ILLEGAL? HUH? as though there was a workable solution that came from that.



    Ah yes, it would collapse because before there was mass illegal immigration, America's economy was in shambles because legal citizens didn't take low paying jobs.
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    Sep 03, 2010 2:05 PM GMT
    Mock illegal immigrants have been around for a very very very long time. Let's go back to 1940 for a start: "The 1940 Alien Registry Act"

    Let's go even farther back in time to this:

    "The origins of illegal immigration date to the late nineteenth century. In 1875, a federal law was passed which prohibited entry of convicts and prostitutes. In 1882 President Chester A. Arthur banned almost all Chinese immigration to the United States, and shortly thereafter barred paupers, criminals and the mentally ill from entering. Although this affected only a small percentage of immigrants, there were now distinctions between legal and illegal immigration. Before this, immigration was barely regulated."


    http://www.endillegalimmigration.com/History_of_Illegal_Immigration_in_US/index.shtml
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    Sep 03, 2010 2:12 PM GMT
    meninlove said Mock illegal immigrants have been around for a very very very long time. Let's go back to 1940 for a start: "The 1940 Alien Registry Act"

    Let's go even farther back in time to this:

    "The origins of illegal immigration date to the late nineteenth century. In 1875, a federal law was passed which prohibited entry of convicts and prostitutes. In 1882 President Chester A. Arthur banned almost all Chinese immigration to the United States, and shortly thereafter barred paupers, criminals and the mentally ill from entering. Although this affected only a small percentage of immigrants, there were now distinctions between legal and illegal immigration. Before this, immigration was barely regulated."


    http://www.endillegalimmigration.com/History_of_Illegal_Immigration_in_US/index.shtml


    The point is that mass illegal immigration is not necessary for an economy to run properly.

    In my ideal world, I'm actually for open borders. But you can't have welfare and open borders simultaneously.
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    Sep 03, 2010 2:19 PM GMT
    lol, of course not, but this, "Ah yes, it would collapse because before there was no illegal immigration, America's economy was in shambles because legal citizens didn't take low paying jobs."

    ...didn't make much sense because there never was a 'before' time.

    Unfortunately, in both our countries, business and citizens (like the ones that want slaves, er, nannies as an example) try to find ways to cheat, as in not paying liveable wages or payroll taxes, so they create a niche for the illegals.

    My fav was a recent ad in the paper looking for a full time caregiver for an elderly person. The wage was about 1,600 a month MINUS lodgings and food.

    If there was no work or way to live here they wouldn't be here in such numbers.

    As for welfare, it's fine IF you have laws that require a Social Security Number in order to be eligible for it.

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    Sep 03, 2010 2:31 PM GMT
    meninlove said lol, of course not, but this, "Ah yes, it would collapse because before there was no illegal immigration, America's economy was in shambles because legal citizens didn't take low paying jobs."

    ...didn't make much sense because there never was a 'before' time.

    Unfortunately, in both our countries, business and citizens (like the ones that want slaves, er, nannies as an example) try to find ways to cheat, as in not paying liveable wages or payroll taxes, so they create a niche for the illegals.

    My fav was a recent ad in the paper looking for a full time caregiver for an elderly person. The wage was about 1,600 a month MINUS lodgings and food.

    If there was no work or way to live here they wouldn't be here in such numbers.

    As for welfare, it's fine IF you have laws that require a Social Security Number in order to be eligible for it.



    The biggest problem with my sentence was the grammatical error, which I just noticed: "before there was no". That being said, there was a time when immigration had no negative effects because the safety nets that we have today did not exist.

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    Sep 03, 2010 2:35 PM GMT
    "That being said, there was a time when immigration had no negative effects because the safety nets that we have today did not exist."

    You mean illegal immigration?

    Please check on the rampant crime stats of those days and the horrendous punishment for stealing a loaf of bread so you didn't starve.
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    Sep 03, 2010 2:41 PM GMT
    Christian73 said
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    And then there's the $1 trillion dollars that someone misplaced in Iraq that the media never talks about. icon_rolleyes.gif

    In Iraq?

    Or spent primarily here in America to support the Iraq war?



    In Iraq. More than a trillion dollars sent to Iraq has been "lost" since the beginning of the war. Or, perhaps it would be more accurate to say "not accounted for" or "hidden in Eric Prince's pants next to his evil penis which stands up when hot boys walk by, so that means gay people are bad."


    As much as I hate Erik Prince and how evil he is, given enough booze I would hit it, then throw up on him.
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    Sep 03, 2010 2:47 PM GMT
    I would prefer that they focus on going after individuals who employ illegals as this is the main reason they continue to come into the US.

    Rather then racial profiling to inconvenience innocent people on the street, why not focus on the employers as described in this article?

    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/10/us/10enforce.html

    The process would need to be tweaked in order to make it more effective, but it seems to me a better approach to resolving the real issue: Employers looking for illegal aliens.

    I think this comment was rather telling as well:

    After the firings, Gebbers Farms advertised hundreds of jobs for orchard workers. But there were few takers in the state.

    “Show me one American —just one — climbing a picker’s ladder,” said María Cervantes, 33, a former Gebbers Farms worker from Mexico who gave her name because she was recently approved as a legal immigrant.

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    "After the firings, Gebbers Farms advertised hundreds of jobs for orchard workers. But there were few takers in the state.

    “Show me one American —just one — climbing a picker’s ladder,” said María Cervantes, 33, a former Gebbers Farms worker from Mexico who gave her name because she was recently approved as a legal immigrant."

    It would be interesting to see what the wages are.