Does Obama not salute the flag?

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    Feb 24, 2008 9:31 PM GMT
    I have heard so much of this video and found it. Alot of people are upset about this and says they wont vote for him because of it. Do you think it was intentional? Surely someone would not run for president and not salute the flag, what do you think?

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    Feb 24, 2008 9:35 PM GMT
    Much ado about nothing. As if putting your hand over your heart is somehow more patriotic than simply standing respectfully.

    If that's the worst thing they can say about Obama, they don't have much.
  • HndsmKansan

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    Feb 24, 2008 10:07 PM GMT
    I think the idea is ridiculous, Obama is a very reasonable man and is as patriotic as any of us.
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    Feb 24, 2008 10:22 PM GMT
    I admire the man even more now! I am sure he is "patriotic" but he is probably not obsessed with it like some people.
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    Feb 24, 2008 10:23 PM GMT
    Finally! Proof we needed to confirm he is a sleeper agent for the militant islamic world-jihad!

    This is hilarious. This is ridiculous. They are pulling out all the stops and coming up with nothing. Rep. Jack Kingston (R-GA) is really shooting himself in the foot for starting this crap, as Obama won large swaths of his district.
  • Squarejaw

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    Feb 25, 2008 1:45 AM GMT
    The real desecration is the crazy lady singing the anthem. Who the hell is that?
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    Feb 25, 2008 1:48 AM GMT
    Interesting. Why didn't he though?
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    Feb 25, 2008 2:12 AM GMT
    PhxAriz08 saidAnd it's part of this legacy of Euguene McCarthy to attack Americans on their patriotism instead of their political ideals.


    I think you mean JOSEPH McCarthy, Republican of Wisconsin. Eugene McCarthy was an anti-war Democrat.
  • dfrourke

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    Feb 25, 2008 2:13 AM GMT

    ...well, I am surprised nobody chastized Hillary for not removing her helmet of a hairdo in that video...

    ...how unpatriotic...

    - David
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    Feb 25, 2008 2:23 AM GMT
    Firstly .. read this

    http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2007/11/obama-says-flag.html

    Secondly, I was talking to my roomie (naval officer) about this who said there are different rules when it comes to the National Anthem depending on whether you are in uniform or not. He said that even the different branches of service do things slightly differently. He said in some cases he would salute, and some cases you just stand at attention. The hand over the heart thing was made up by someone (I don't know how binding it is anyway) but not really a matter of respecting either the Flag or showing patriotism.

    I know there are some religious sects that will not even repeat the pledge of allegiance for religious reasons (idolatry etc), and they are perfectly in their rights to do so. I would not judge anyone for how they show their patriotism.

    If you care about this country enough to try to change things for the better, thats all the patriotism I need to see. If you love the constitution and bill of rights where it comes to individual and collective freedom that is what I care about. When you lie to and deceive the American people and spend their money like there was no tomorrow, run the country into the ground, disrespect due process, and circumvent laws meant to protect us, etc .. then all the pledges, anthems, and reverence mean nothing
  • coolarmydude

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    Feb 25, 2008 2:43 AM GMT
    Just a few hours ago, I was chatting with someone about Obama on gay.com and he absolutely doesn't support Obama because of this.

    I think this is absolutely ridiculous when most of our own population doesn't even know how to properly display a flag, stand up when it passes by as in a parade, or what the words to the National Anthem are. The ignorance to flag protocol is not indicative of patriotism. Do you know what the difference is between the flag and the colors?

    Patriotism is overrated in this country as people felt patriotic for supporting the Iraq war in the beginning and treating dissenters as traitors.

    Obama's stance on the flag lapel is a clear indication that he is ahead of his time and is the kind of thinker that our country severely lacks. The reason why people are afraid of him is because he is educated and possibly even gifted as a real leader. The buck stops with Obama.
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    Feb 25, 2008 2:50 AM GMT
    coolarmydude saidPatriotism is overrated in this country as people felt patriotic for supporting the Iraq war in the beginning and treating dissenters as traitors.
    I agree. I can't stand seeing certain classes of Americans questioning other Americans' patriotism over customs and so forth (see my post above). I will not even say that about a party I wholly disagree with. This country was born from dissent and it is the most patriotic thing you can do! We need people questioning and even arguing when it comes to the future of our country and it's policies. It is our right and obligation.
  • coolarmydude

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    Feb 25, 2008 2:55 AM GMT
    Yep.

    Republicans = conformity

    Democrats = diversity
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    Feb 25, 2008 2:59 AM GMT
    FYI
    hannity-20071023-obama2.jpg
    and .. there he is on the left.
    hannity-20071023-obama3.jpg

    Is our president hungry or pledging allegiance?

    hannity-20071023-obama.jpg
    "I pledge allegiance to my intestine for what I ate for lunch .."
  • SkyMiles

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    Feb 25, 2008 3:07 AM GMT
    This issue on Obama's patriotism was a thread started by Fox Noise and quickly picked up by CNN and MSNBC. It's a straight-up election year hit job on a nebulous topic.

    So, what IS patriotism? Is it limited to wearing a pin and putting your hand over your heart? Funny how the networks aren't asking.

    It's the same tactic as the 'Obama sounds like Osama' meme, and is an insult to all thinking human beings. Of course, given an electorate that voted for Bush TWICE, that's not saying much.
  • coolarmydude

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    Feb 25, 2008 3:12 AM GMT
    Oh yeah! I read the transcipt from Hannity and Colmes in which Hannity was defending Bush's hand over tummy as a snapshot and not the whole thing, but felt things were different for Obama because of his educated position on not wearing the flag lapel.

    The death of the Republican Party is now happening and things will get even crazier than this!!
  • Starboard

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    Feb 25, 2008 3:16 AM GMT
    Arguments for or against public displays of patriotism aside, Barack Obama has no qualms about placing his hand over his heart or even leading the US Senate in the pledge of allegiance:

    http://blog.washingtonpost.com/fact-checker/2007/11/obama_nabbed_by_the_patriotic.html

    http://factcheck.barackobama.com/factcheck2/2007/11/
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    Feb 25, 2008 3:32 AM GMT
    I really liked that Washington post fact checker article.
  • waccamatt

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    Feb 25, 2008 4:04 AM GMT
    Whether or not he puts his hand on his heart during the Star Spangled Banner or the Pledge of Allegiance is immaterial to me. I find these displays to be rather indoctrinating, anyway. They seem to be more like what one would see in North Korea than in the United States.
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    Feb 25, 2008 4:08 AM GMT
    an appropriate response to the anthem, especially that rendering of it, is to cover the ears.
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    Feb 25, 2008 4:19 AM GMT
    that was the wrst version opf the SSB I have ever heard. I think i like roseannes version better...

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    Feb 25, 2008 4:38 AM GMT
    PhxAriz08 said[quote]Actually Obama wasn't standing at the position of attention. Standing at attention is standing straight with your hands at your side, with your posture straight and your head straight forward(with your eyes as well) and your heels together with the toe end of your feet spread at a 45 degree angle. Obama was doing nothing of the sort.
    Yes, my roommate told me this too (and even demonstrated his officers oath), but it is kind of irrelevant because Obama is not a Naval officer anyway. The point is that there are many ways to show patriotism, and it may vary depending on who you are. Obama was standing. He wasn't sitting down picking his nose or eating potato chips like many people do when they watch the anthem on TV. Maybe I should have just said he was standing (like you did) icon_smile.gif I edited my post so not to confuse the issue.

    The Washington post article also bring up some points on the code about flag/national anthem etiquette. Like certain things hold at National Events, not informal events like then BBQ they were at ("the Code refers specifically to "Patriotic and National Observances"). Also that the flag was behind everyone, not in front of them. I don't even know what these rules are and I don't think a lot of people do, but I know I am patriotic for all that is worth.
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    Feb 25, 2008 4:54 AM GMT
    I see that the moronic Bill Kristol has dedicated his Monday column in the Times to Obama and his decision not to wear a flag lapel pin.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/25/opinion/25kristol.html?hp

    I'm sure if Obama is the nominee this kind of thing will accelerate. He'll be accused of lacking patriotism and John McCain is going to make the campaign all about war. I really wonder if a Democrat can win an election in which war is the main issue.
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    Feb 25, 2008 4:57 AM GMT
    I would wonder that too, but I know my parents switched over to vote for Obama, and I also see the grassroots support for Obama. This isn't the ol' boy (or girl) system anymore. People genuinely believe they can make a difference, and that is a good thing.
  • coolarmydude

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    Feb 25, 2008 7:10 AM GMT
    obscenewish saidI see that the moronic Bill Kristol has dedicated his Monday column in the Times to Obama and his decision not to wear a flag lapel pin.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/25/opinion/25kristol.html?hp

    I'm sure if Obama is the nominee this kind of thing will accelerate. He'll be accused of lacking patriotism and John McCain is going to make the campaign all about war. I really wonder if a Democrat can win an election in which war is the main issue.


    Well, keep in mind that the '06 election was nearly a mandate against the Iraq war, so strike against McCain...and now the economy is the number one issue in the country, so strike another against McCain. I have a sneaky suspicion that if McCain does the patriotic thing against Obama this summer, there will be another "swift-boat" campaign against McCain and it will be underwritten by some of the dirtiest operatives of the Republican Party.