Is paganism evil

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    Sep 02, 2010 10:01 PM GMT
    I am a pagan and no one(i know understands). Would you think it is evil to be a pagan? I would like to meet some and try to understand myself what it means to be a pagan(because I'm a newbie).
  • lupinephoenix

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    Sep 02, 2010 10:43 PM GMT
    I don't think any religion is necessarily "good" nor "evil". it is how humanity uses the faith that makes it as such. For instance, I am a pagan - an asutru shaman - and ahve been practicing for roughly 13 years now. I was raised on hearth traditions of my mother and her mother, so forth down the line. The work I do is for self-improvement and for aiding others who request my help. Does this mean I am evil, or that what I practice is evil? *shrugs* I don't think it is.

    It's like the old theory on curing a disease. You are effectively killing something. Is it evil, then, to cure?

    The lack of a definition of what is evil makes it difficult to answer this question, though in doing so one opens the proverbial can of words as to determining what is good and what is evil.

    Honestly, it's all a matter of what you do and TOWARD WHAT PURPOSE.

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    Sep 03, 2010 2:59 AM GMT
    Paganism isn't a religion anyway, it's an umbrella term for pre- and non- christian religions.

    And yes, religion is evil.

    Having said that, worshiping mother nature through your local oak tree is perfectly harmless.
  • Delivis

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    Sep 07, 2010 1:22 AM GMT
    What do you mean by pagan?
    What do you mean by evil?

    What i generally mean by words like good and evil is attributes of actions that have positive or negative impacts on human well being, happiness, flourishing, etc.

    What someone means when they say they are a christian or muslim or hindu or pagan is generally a huge mess. No one believes exactly the same set of beliefs which they denote by a single simple word like any of those.

    If you define belief system X (in this case "pagan") as a set of beliefs and evil as something with negative effects on human well being then an examination of each of those beliefs and their effects gives you an answer for each of them. Cumulatively, if you add the effects of each belief, one could possibly say something meaningful about the relative moral value of the set of beliefs which you call "paganism".

    I suspect many of the beliefs you have which you characterize as "pagan", just as most beliefs which tend to get that name nowadays, are false and incredibly silly but benign, and thus, largely, not evil.
  • d_1M

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    Sep 07, 2010 1:56 AM GMT
    how can some one be something doesn't even know what it is?
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    Sep 07, 2010 2:07 AM GMT
    erm... So you are a neo-pagan: a religion made up over the last 50 years from older occult groups and dead religions. Ask ten different pagans what paganism is and you will get ten different answers. So, it is really not surprising that people have no idea what the heck it is.

    But, the real problem is that neo-pagans have the PR of a serial rapist. Of the hundreds of pagans I have met most have looked like the forlorn love child of an anime fan and a Maralyn Manson groupie. People who don't know what the religion is generally about can't get passed the wearing of all black with what they think is a satanic pentagram. The nice, hippy, nature-loving pagan is almost indistinguishable from Anton Lavey to the average Joe.
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    Sep 07, 2010 2:10 AM GMT
    I have often wondered if the demise of the ancient religions -- Egyptian, Greek, Roman -- wasnt a bad thing for civilization.
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    Sep 07, 2010 2:14 AM GMT
    I am a wiccan type of pagan, I don't worship Satan, i just believe one can do something miraculous, using ritualistic practices, good(or bad) energies, and the belief that one can see, hear, or sense that which others cannot.
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    Sep 07, 2010 2:22 AM GMT
    MuchMoreThanMuscle said
    Tazo995 saidPaganism isn't a religion anyway, it's an umbrella term for pre- and non- christian religions.

    And yes, religion is evil.

    Having said that, worshiping mother nature through your local oak tree is perfectly harmless.


    Paganism is a blanket term for polytheistic religions which include Wicca, Witchcraft, etc.


    No it's not. That's neo-paganism, which is what the OP claims to follow.

    The word pagan has a meaning similar to "heathen" which just means non-christian. The Germanic and Gallic tribes of the Roman era were pagans for example. No polytheism required, btw.
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    Sep 07, 2010 2:37 AM GMT
    no, its just stupid
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    Sep 07, 2010 2:37 AM GMT
    MuchMoreThanMuscle saidThe second definition resonates with what you are saying. However, the definition borders archaic. We do not call nonpracticing people "heathens" anymore. We simply call them nonreligious.

    2. a person without any religion; heathen


    Fair enough, but heathen is obviously more a term used by the Spanish inquisition than modern day people - non-religious and atheist didn't seem to have been around that many centuries ago.

    As far as the dictionary goes, not sure why they would include polytheistic in the definition. If you have some Gallic druides making their weekly sacrifice to the goddess of the forest represented by the local big tree, that's definitely pagan but not necessarily polytheistic.

    But who cares, religion is for idiots anyway
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    Sep 07, 2010 2:42 AM GMT
    Religion, in and of itself, isn't evil (with the exception of Satanism and the like).

    Personally I claim to be a Celtic Reconstructionist Pagan. I base my beliefs off of historical and archeolgical data that detail the practices and beliefs of the people who lived in the British Isles before Christianity. I don't follow the Wiccan path or the paths of the neo-pagan religions, many of which were cobbeled together from Victorian legends and fairy tales (not to degredate anyone's beliefs).
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    Sep 07, 2010 2:53 AM GMT
    antelope saidI have often wondered if the demise of the ancient religions -- Egyptian, Greek, Roman -- wasnt a bad thing for civilization.


    I would tend to say it was tragic for the Classical World and it ensured its demise.
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    Sep 07, 2010 3:13 AM GMT
    Are you evil?
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    Sep 07, 2010 3:30 AM GMT
    mickeytopogigio saidAre you evil?


    No, well sometimes i get angry or frustrated and think evilly, but i never take action.
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    Sep 07, 2010 3:54 AM GMT
    Fdean3 said
    mickeytopogigio saidAre you evil?


    No, well sometimes i get angry or frustrated and think evilly, but i never take action.


    An institution is judged by the action of its agents. If the agents aren't evil, it's unlikely the institution is. If your paganism attracts evil adherents, then yes, it's evil.

    If your paganism was able to demonstrate real power (over people, over electrical lines, over swarms of locusts), that power could corrupt its adherents. Since rolling brown-outs and locust infestations have always had known traceable and natural causes, I suspect the corruption will come from the power over people. For that, keep vigilant, and make sure no evil people begin holding sway.
  • wellwell

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    Sep 07, 2010 4:00 AM GMT
    Pagans worship only Nature; and that which created it !

  • camfer

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    Sep 07, 2010 4:20 AM GMT
    You might like to meet some radical faeries near you. You're in the bay area so it shouldn't be too hard to find them.
  • Delivis

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    Sep 07, 2010 5:14 AM GMT
    mickeytopogigio said
    Fdean3 said
    mickeytopogigio saidAre you evil?


    No, well sometimes i get angry or frustrated and think evilly, but i never take action.


    An institution is judged by the action of its agents. If the agents aren't evil, it's unlikely the institution is. If your paganism attracts evil adherents, then yes, it's evil.

    If your paganism was able to demonstrate real power (over people, over electrical lines, over swarms of locusts), that power could corrupt its adherents. Since rolling brown-outs and locust infestations have always had known traceable and natural causes, I suspect the corruption will come from the power over people. For that, keep vigilant, and make sure no evil people begin holding sway.


    You mean brown-outs and infestations are not caused by the gods, or by people pretending to be witches? I for one am shocked.

    If credulity counts as evil, then pagans are..icon_smile.gif
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    Sep 07, 2010 5:34 AM GMT
    These are not produced by evil, it because mans over use of power and pride.
  • Delivis

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    Sep 07, 2010 7:13 PM GMT
    Fdean3 saidI am a wiccan type of pagan, I don't worship Satan, i just believe one can do something miraculous, using ritualistic practices, good(or bad) energies, and the belief that one can see, hear, or sense that which others cannot.


    I have tried every ritual, spell, and incantation I can find to make credulity and superstition dissapear from the world but nothing has worked so far!
  • mybud

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    Sep 07, 2010 7:31 PM GMT
    Evil???.....Dude....you have a belief system...you have your reasons why you follow them.....Why should you give a fuck what others think about your practices?...I respect your paganism......my opinion....BUD
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    Sep 08, 2010 12:30 AM GMT
    Delivis said
    Fdean3 saidI am a wiccan type of pagan, I don't worship Satan, i just believe one can do something miraculous, using ritualistic practices, good(or bad) energies, and the belief that one can see, hear, or sense that which others cannot.


    I have tried every ritual, spell, and incantation I can find to make credulity and superstition dissapear from the world but nothing has worked so far!


    You're not supposed to use wiccan power to cause distruction, cruelty, and superstition, that's what makes it evil. Haven't you heard of the Wiccan Rede:

    Bide the Wiccan Law ye must,
    In perfect love and perfect trust.
    Eight words the Wiccan Rede fulfill:
    An' ye harm none, do what ye will.

    What ye send forth comes back to thee
    So ever mind the law of three.
    Follow this with mind and heart,
    Merry ye meet, and merry ye part.

    It's a pagan law, don't harm anyone, and what you give comes back threefold!!!
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    Sep 08, 2010 1:09 AM GMT
    lupinephoenix said
    "The tree that reaches its branches to Heaven must also extend its roots to Hell." ~ Unknown


    What he said.

    Kinda reminds me of the Norse myth about the Yggdrasil tree.
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    Sep 09, 2010 10:37 PM GMT
    Fdean3 saidI am a pagan and no one(i know understands). Would you think it is evil to be a pagan? I would like to meet some and try to understand myself what it means to be a pagan(because I'm a newbie).


    One can only judge something right/wrong or good/evil against an understood, accepted standard of what is good and evil. So for you to arrive at an answer to your question, you must first ask yourself what standard would you like to use?

    If you wish to use the Judeo-Christian standard of good and evil, then within that worldview, paganism is considered "evil", as it is not consistent with the teachings of Judeo-Christian values and beliefs of a personal, Creator God.

    If your standard has its basis from within a pagan (or secular) worldview, then obviously, one may not be able to evaluate it to be "evil" in and of itself.

    So first, choose the ethical framework within which you wish to derive your answer.