Ohio Tea Party's Litmus Test for Political Candidates

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    Sep 03, 2010 5:39 PM GMT
    In case any of you harbor the slightest idea that Tea Partiers aren't completely out-of-their-minds and completely anti-gay, please refer to the Ohio Tea Party's Candidate Questionnaire, which is rife with anti-gay, anti-worker, and unconstitutional lunacy:

    "1. The Right to Life is a Constitutional right, therefore innocent human beings should have legal protection from conception until natural death. If you hold any exceptions please state them.

    2. The regulation of Carbon Dioxide in our atmosphere should be left to GodI oppose all measures of Cap and Trade as well as the teaching of global warming theory in our schools.3. Marriage is defined as being between a man and a woman, any other type of Union is not marriage

    4. Children should not be placed into foster homes where the parents are homosexual, bisexual, or transgendered.

    5. Parental consent should be required for sex education that teaches more than direct abstinence.

    6. The second Amendment to the Constitution should not be weakened in any way.

    7. Only US Citizens should be allowed to vote and a photo ID should always be required to vote. (The Mexican government requires
    a photo ID and fingerprint).

    8. I oppose Ohio's State Income Tax.

    9. I oppose the Obama Health Care Reform and would like to see more affordable health care through a competitive, open, and transparent system.

    10. I oppose the don't ask, don't tell policy of the military and believe that all same sex partners should be banned from combat duty in the military because of the propensity to transmit blood borne diseases in the theater of battle.

    11. I support a law that will allow the people to place on a ballot all collective bargaining agreements of all government associations, unions, and guilds, for their expressed approval. Defeat of such an agreement would mean government workers would not be immune from the free market system.

    12. I oppose card check for voting to implement a Union as this could give Unions an unfair intimidation tactic to implement Unionization

    13. I am not an economic Pacifist. I believe that we need to protect our economic borders in order to ensure free and fair trade. Tariffs should be used to stop the wealth and jobs of Americans from leaving her borders

    14. The Federal Reserve as it is currently conceived needs to be abolished or at the very least audited.

    15. I advocated moving our currency to a debt free supply-side labor based currency."

    http://www.sanduskyregister.com/files/www2.sanduskyregister.com/file_attach/2010/August/TeaPartyQuestions.pdf
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    Sep 03, 2010 5:46 PM GMT
    There is no actual organization defining what makes you a "tea partier". One tea partier could care less what other people do in the privacy of their own home. One could be an atheist who just wants lower taxes and less government. Another one could be a bigoted fundamentalist christian who wants to impose his ideas of morality on everybody else. They all might happen to agree on lower taxes.

    All you're proving is that whoever is in charge of the tea party questionnaire in ohio is just a big-government religious conservative who wants to tell everybody what they can and can't do.
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    Sep 03, 2010 6:16 PM GMT
    Mocktwinkie calls it right...

    I'm somewhat sympathetic to the Tea Party movement - and could sign on to some of these planks (but not all of them) :

    2. The regulation of Carbon Dioxide in our atmosphere should be left to God be left alone, since volcanoes, undersea events, and the flatulence of non-human animal biomass contributes far more to CO2 output than cars and factories ... I oppose all measures of Cap and Trade as it would be yet another onerous tax that would drive American industry overseas to places that don't regulate and tax every last penny of capital out of their possession....well as the teaching of global warming theory in our schools.


    5. Parental consent should be required for sex education that teaches more than direct abstinence. (Maybe: the best way to avoid unwanted babies and STIs is simply not to get the booty call goin' on).

    6. The second Amendment to the Constitution should not be weakened in any way. (Non-negotiable. I likes my guns and my ammo).

    7. Only US Citizens should be allowed to vote and a photo ID should always be required to vote. (Seems reasonable to me... helps to reduce instances of multiple voting)

    8. I oppose Ohio's New York State's greivous, ever-increasing property, school, and Income Taxes.

    9. I oppose the Obama Health Care Reform and would like to see more affordable health care through a competitive, open, and transparent system.

    10. I oppose the don't ask, don't tell policy of the military and believe that all same sex partners should be banned from combat duty in the military because of the propensity to transmit blood borne diseases in the theater of battle.(IIRC, anyone with blood borne diseases is removed from combat zones or possibly separated on a medical discharge... and yes, DADT needs to go away. EVERYONE has a right to serve and die for their country.

    14. The Federal Reserve as it is currently conceived needs to be abolished or at the very least audited.


    These I could agree with.
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    Sep 03, 2010 6:16 PM GMT
    mocktwinkie saidThere is no actual organization defining what makes you a "tea partier". One tea partier could care less what other people do in the privacy of their own home. One could be an atheist who just wants lower taxes and less government. Another one could be a bigoted fundamentalist christian who wants to impose his ideas of morality on everybody else. They all might happen to agree on lower taxes.

    All you're proving is that whoever is in charge of the tea party questionnaire in ohio is just a big-government religious conservative who wants to tell everybody what they can and can't do.


    I'm sure you'd like to believe that, because it would disassociate you from supporting a rabidly anti-gay group. Here's some examples of other tea party endorsed platforms and candidates that you might want to familiarize yourself with before claiming there is not "definition of a tea partier."

    Main GOP Platform - Anti-gay marriage, abortion rights, etc. Claims Muslims are at war with the US.

    http://www.scribd.com/doc/31163547/Maine-Gop-Platform

    Carl Paladino (TP endorsed NY gubernatorial candidate) - anti-gay, anti-abortion and anti-Muslim

    http://www.paladinoforthepeople.com/issues.php

    Sharron Angle - anti-gay, anti-abortion

    http://sharronangle.com/issues

    And that's what I could find in about 10 seconds using Google.

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    Sep 03, 2010 6:24 PM GMT
    Christian73 said
    mocktwinkie saidThere is no actual organization defining what makes you a "tea partier". One tea partier could care less what other people do in the privacy of their own home. One could be an atheist who just wants lower taxes and less government. Another one could be a bigoted fundamentalist christian who wants to impose his ideas of morality on everybody else. They all might happen to agree on lower taxes.

    All you're proving is that whoever is in charge of the tea party questionnaire in ohio is just a big-government religious conservative who wants to tell everybody what they can and can't do.


    I'm sure you'd like to believe that, because it would disassociate you from supporting a rabidly anti-gay group. Here's some examples of other tea party endorsed platforms and candidates that you might want to familiarize yourself with before claiming there is not "definition of a tea partier."

    Main GOP Platform - Anti-gay marriage, abortion rights, etc. Claims Muslims are at war with the US.

    http://www.scribd.com/doc/31163547/Maine-Gop-Platform

    Carl Paladino (TP endorsed NY gubernatorial candidate) - anti-gay, anti-abortion and anti-Muslim

    http://www.paladinoforthepeople.com/issues.php

    Sharron Angle - anti-gay, anti-abortion

    http://sharronangle.com/issues

    And that's what I could find in about 10 seconds using Google.



    In a straw poll Ron Paul won the majority of votes from tea party members. So if you want the most accurate picture of what the majority of tea partiers stand for, that's it. Economic liberty, social liberty, fiscal conservatism.
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    Sep 03, 2010 6:43 PM GMT
    anti-gay and anti-abortion are the classic wedge issues.

    There's very little chance that Roe v. Wade will be overturned; it survived through a few conservative regimes and has not faced a serious challenge in recent years.

    And once there is sufficient judicial momentum and precedent to strip mine some more rights out of the Commerce clause for the sake of nationalizing same sex marriage, I'm sure that this too will become a matter of established law as abortion is.

    Wedge issues to fire up the social conservative base: any politician worth his salt will ping those hard, just as liberals and socialists will get hard-ons over liberal pols promising to nationalize various industries and stand up a national single-payer healthcare system.

    And when they failed to deliver on those campaign promises - that was good for some lulz: just listen to that douchebag of a press secretary Obama's got. He more or less wrote off the hard left and the Kos Kids.

    They really don't give a flying flip if you are miffed that you didn't get fulfilment on those promises.

    They done played y'all like a finely tuned Stradivarius.
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    Sep 04, 2010 12:16 AM GMT
    alphatrigger saidanti-gay and anti-abortion are the classic wedge issues.

    There's very little chance that Roe v. Wade will be overturned; it survived through a few conservative regimes and has not faced a serious challenge in recent years.

    And once there is sufficient judicial momentum and precedent to strip mine some more rights out of the Commerce clause for the sake of nationalizing same sex marriage, I'm sure that this too will become a matter of established law as abortion is.

    Wedge issues to fire up the social conservative base: any politician worth his salt will ping those hard, just as liberals and socialists will get hard-ons over liberal pols promising to nationalize various industries and stand up a national single-payer healthcare system.

    And when they failed to deliver on those campaign promises - that was good for some lulz: just listen to that douchebag of a press secretary Obama's got. He more or less wrote off the hard left and the Kos Kids.

    They really don't give a flying flip if you are miffed that you didn't get fulfilment on those promises.

    They done played y'all like a finely tuned Stradivarius.


    Actually, I wasn't one of those who assumed that Obama was a hard leftist. I always saw him as a centrist, despite what Glenn Beck and SouthBeach would have us believe.

    In general, I'm happy with the progress he's made given that enormous mess he inherited. But I also harbor no illusions that he (or anyone else) can get an actual progressive agenda through our broken and corrupt political system.

    And, the Tea Party is increasingly betraying what it actually is: a corporate-run (Koch Brothers/Rupert Murdoch) AstroTurf "movement" that preys on the racism, homophobic and xenophobic views of largely uninformed and uneducated working and middle class Americans to continue pushing through pro-corporate policies that will impoverish the majority of those who currently support them.

    If Marx was right about anything, it was that the narrative of politics is always the mistress of the economic agenda of those with power.
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    Sep 04, 2010 12:24 AM GMT
    1. The Right to Life is a Constitutional right, therefore innocent human beings should have legal protection from conception until natural death. If you hold any exceptions please state them.
    Ummm ..... does that mean when a 14 year old walks into an ER 4 months pregnant with her step father's baby
    Does that fetus get a get outta jail free card? Or is that "life" different?

    2. The regulation of Carbon Dioxide in our atmosphere should be left to GodI oppose all measures of Cap and Trade as well as the teaching of global warming theory in our schools.
    "GOD" didn't put decades worth of metric tons of Carbon dioxide into the atmosphere ........... WE DID!
    T'ain't "theory" I'be a fact or haven't you noticed Siberia on fire? and the Polar bears drowning yet?

    3. Marriage is defined as being between a man and a woman, any other type of Union is not marriage
    So go praise the Lord in your Church ..... I wouldn't wanna get married there anyway
    It's a good thing your Church doesn't dictate what MY Government does

    4. Children should not be placed into foster homes where the parents are homosexual, bisexual, or transgendered.
    So let them ROT in foster homes and orphanages for all I care

    5. Parental consent should be required for sex education that teaches more than direct abstinence.
    Nevermind that teen pregnancies soar when that's done anywhooo .....

    6. The second Amendment to the Constitution should not be weakened in any way.
    Even though it Never said anything about the personal use of guns

    7. Only US Citizens should be allowed to vote and a photo ID should always be required to vote. (The Mexican government requires
    a photo ID and fingerprint).

    Viva La Mexico ..... I wanna be just like them ... Tam Bien

    8. I oppose Ohio's State Income Tax.
    Let's use Monopoly money to pave the roads and pay for our children's Learnin'

    9. I oppose the Obama Health Care Reform and would like to see more affordable health care through a competitive, open, and transparent system.
    So let's have more a that HMO stuff where there's only one company you can get medical services from and where they dictate what service I can get

    10. I oppose the don't ask, don't tell policy of the military and believe that all same sex partners should be banned from combat duty in the military because of the propensity to transmit blood borne diseases in the theater of battle. What the Livin' F**k is That? ...... I can't even attempt to make fun of crap like that
    You know what republicans? You even associate with a group that says sh*t like that? .... Then you are more seriously F**ked up than I thought icon_neutral.gif

    11. I support a law that will allow the people to place on a ballot all collective bargaining agreements of all government associations, unions, and guilds, for their expressed approval. Defeat of such an agreement would mean government workers would not be immune from the free market system. But I don't wanna see any of this Corporation listings on there
    They deserve every break they get .....

    12. I oppose card check for voting to implement a Union as this could give Unions an unfair intimidation tactic to implement Unionization
    Let's get back to the old ways ..... ballot stuffing and Pinkertons

    13. I am not an economic Pacifist. I believe that we need to protect our economic borders in order to ensure free and fair trade. Tariffs should be used to stop the wealth and jobs of Americans from leaving her borders
    But I like having most of our Biggest corporate offices in the Bahamas
    Makes me think of my vacation whenever I lick a stamp to pay for my Charge card

    14. The Federal Reserve as it is current
    Let's have congress oversee our economic monetary policies icon_eek.gif

    15. I advocated moving our currency to a debt free supply-side labor based currency. My Ouiji Board just wrote out "Where are my jelly beans Nancy?"
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    mocktwinkie saidThere is no actual organization defining what makes you a "tea partier". One tea partier could care less what other people do in the privacy of their own home. One could be an atheist who just wants lower taxes and less government. Another one could be a bigoted fundamentalist christian who wants to impose his ideas of morality on everybody else. They all might happen to agree on lower taxes.

    All you're proving is that whoever is in charge of the tea party questionnaire in ohio is just a big-government religious conservative who wants to tell everybody what they can and can't do.



    What you said is right on. I am a Tea Party Member and the majority of the people who are members are there for fiscal responsibility meaning lower taxes and less government. I myself am an Atheist. There are Conservative members, Liberal Members, Libertarians, Independents, Christians and many other groups attending the meetings, but they are not there to discuss social issues. I have been to 12 meetings since joining a year ago and not once have social issues such as gay marriage, abortion, legalization of drugs or anything else ever been discussed. ALL THAT IS DISCUSSED IS FISCAL ISSUES!!!
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    CHRISMA saidWhat you said is right on. I am a Tea Party Member and the majority of the people who are members are there for fiscal responsibility meaning lower taxes and less government

    Taken your own survey, have you?


    LOL, I dont think a survey needs to be taken. My Tea Party Group holds monthly meetings and we discuss fiscal issues and how we help candidates who support lower taxes and less government. I've never discussed social issues with anyone there. The regulars know that I'm an Atheist and also know that I'm gay and NO ONE HAS A PROBLEM WITH IT.
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    CHRISMA saidWhat you said is right on. I am a Tea Party Member and the majority of the people who are members are there for fiscal responsibility meaning lower taxes and less government

    Taken your own survey, have you?


    LOL, I dont think a survey needs to be taken. My Tea Party Group holds monthly meetings and we discuss fiscal issues and how we help candidates who support lower taxes and less government. I've never discussed social issues with anyone there. The regulars know that I'm an Atheist and also know that I'm gay and NO ONE HAS A PROBLEM WITH IT.


    OMG, that's unthinkable! An atheist couldn't POSSIBLY be interested in liberal economic policies! Only those fundie christians!!!!
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    Sep 06, 2010 8:33 PM GMT
    [quote][cite]Christian73 said[/cite]In case any of you harbor the slightest idea that Tea Partiers aren't completely out-of-their-minds and completely anti-gay, please refer to the Ohio Tea Party's Candidate Questionnaire, which is rife with anti-gay, anti-worker, and unconstitutional lunacy:

    "1. The Right to Life is a Constitutional right, therefore innocent human beings should have legal protection from conception until natural death. If you hold any exceptions please state them.

    ******** Yet, they conveniently leave out their support of the death penalty.

    2. The regulation of Carbon Dioxide in our atmosphere should be left to GodI oppose all measures of Cap and Trade as well as the teaching of global warming theory in our schools.

    *********Should we also let some imaginary guy in the sky, be in charge of polluted water and land, radioactive nuclear waste, chemical dumps, etc. ?

    3. Marriage is defined as being between a man and a woman, any other type of Union is not marriage


    *********** "Indeed, Miss Manners has come to believe that the basic political division in this country is not between liberals and conservatives but between those who believe that they should have a say in the love lives of strangers and those who do not."

    4. Children should not be placed into foster homes where the parents are homosexual, bisexual, or transgendered.

    ************* Obviously, you would prefer that they become street urchins, as in medieval times.

    5. Parental consent should be required for sex education that teaches more than direct abstinence.

    ************* That's what Teabagger Sarah Palin advocated, just before her teenage daughter got knocked up.

    6. The second Amendment to the Constitution should not be weakened in any way.

    ************* Obviously, you feel that all lunatics should be well armed. And, obviously you don't understand the definition of a "well armed militia."

    7. Only US Citizens should be allowed to vote and a photo ID should always be required to vote. (The Mexican government requires
    a photo ID and fingerprint).

    ************* Check out the U.S. Constitution where it says that only U.S. citizens are allowed to vote.

    8. I oppose Ohio's State Income Tax.

    ************* So, don't live in Ohio or any of the other 42 states that have an income tax.

    9. I oppose the Obama Health Care Reform and would like to see more affordable health care through a competitive, open, and transparent system.

    ************** Wait a minute. We would have had that if you knee jerk neanderthals hadn't insisted on NO PUBLIC OPTION.

    10. I oppose the don't ask, don't tell policy of the military and believe that all same sex partners should be banned from combat duty in the military because of the propensity to transmit blood borne diseases in the theater of battle.

    **************** You're obviously ignorant of the facts surrounding the methods of HIV transmission.

    11. I support a law that will allow the people to place on a ballot all collective bargaining agreements of all government associations, unions, and guilds, for their expressed approval. Defeat of such an agreement would mean government workers would not be immune from the free market system.

    ************Not all unions are at "government jobs." But, you want people with zero interest in another person's job to be able to make decisions about that other person's job. Obviously, you're against child labor laws, safe working conditions, an 8 hour work day, a 5 day work week, and a living wage. Or, are you just anti union ?

    12. I oppose card check for voting to implement a Union as this could give Unions an unfair intimidation tactic to implement Unionization.

    ******** What's wrong with allowing a majority of employees in a bargaining unit to sign authorization forms, or "cards," stating that they wish to be represented by the union ?

    13. I am not an economic Pacifist. I believe that we need to protect our economic borders in order to ensure free and fair trade. Tariffs should be used to stop the wealth and jobs of Americans from leaving her borders.

    ************ HEY, I AGREE !

    14. The Federal Reserve as it is currently conceived needs to be abolished or at the very least audited.

    ************* The Federal Reserve was created to prevent a second Great Depression, which it has been successful in doing for the past 75 years.

    15. I advocated moving our currency to a debt free supply-side labor based currency.

    ************* After the U.S. economy crumbled and fell into a national crisis, Ronald Reagan's economic guru Alan Greenspan recently said, "I WAS WRONG" about supply-side economics.

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    Sep 06, 2010 8:36 PM GMT
    mocktwinkie saidThere is no actual organization defining what makes you a "tea partier". One tea partier could care less what other people do in the privacy of their own home. One could be an atheist who just wants lower taxes and less government. Another one could be a bigoted fundamentalist christian who wants to impose his ideas of morality on everybody else. They all might happen to agree on lower taxes.

    All you're proving is that whoever is in charge of the tea party questionnaire in ohio is just a big-government religious conservative who wants to tell everybody what they can and can't do.




    BULLSHIT.
    Here's just one example.
    4. Children should not be placed into foster homes where the parents are homosexual, bisexual, or transgendered.
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    Sep 06, 2010 8:40 PM GMT
    CHRISMA said
    mocktwinkie saidThere is no actual organization defining what makes you a "tea partier". One tea partier could care less what other people do in the privacy of their own home. One could be an atheist who just wants lower taxes and less government. Another one could be a bigoted fundamentalist christian who wants to impose his ideas of morality on everybody else. They all might happen to agree on lower taxes.

    All you're proving is that whoever is in charge of the tea party questionnaire in ohio is just a big-government religious conservative who wants to tell everybody what they can and can't do.



    What you said is right on. I am a Tea Party Member and the majority of the people who are members are there for fiscal responsibility meaning lower taxes and less government. I myself am an Atheist. There are Conservative members, Liberal Members, Libertarians, Independents, Christians and many other groups attending the meetings, but they are not there to discuss social issues. I have been to 12 meetings since joining a year ago and not once have social issues such as gay marriage, abortion, legalization of drugs or anything else ever been discussed. ALL THAT IS DISCUSSED IS FISCAL ISSUES!!!




    Describe what you mean by "less government," providing numerous examples.
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    Sep 06, 2010 8:44 PM GMT
    CHRISMA saidI am a Tea Party Member and the majority of the people who are members are there for fiscal responsibility meaning lower taxes and less government.

    So you are voting for Republicans who will cut taxes on the wealthiest only, and try to revive the Bush Constitutional violations of individual rights & privacy. You've been sold a bill of goods, not a new bill of rights, my man, and being sold down the river.

    But go right ahead. People as naive as you will never see reason, you are lost causes. But I do think others here need to hear a balanced presentation, not a propagandized one, lest those with rational thinking skills be tricked.
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    CHRISMA saidI am a Tea Party Member and the majority of the people who are members are there for fiscal responsibility meaning lower taxes and less government.

    So you are voting for Republicans who will cut taxes on the wealthiest only, and try to revive the Bush Constitutional violations of individual rights & privacy. You've been sold a bill of goods, not a new bill of rights, my man, and being sold down the river.

    But go right ahead. People as naive as you will never see reason, you are lost causes. But I do think others here need to hear a balanced presentation, not a propagandized one, lest those with rational thinking skills be tricked.


    I'm in the 35% tax bracket not just in my personal income (mostly from short term capital gains on stock investments) but also my business. As far as my business goes I will have to lay someone off if the taxes go to 39%. As far as my personal income goes I guess I'm just too naive since I don't want to give 39% of my income away to the federal government so they can spend it on failed programs. How could I be so stupid??
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    CHRISMA saidI am a Tea Party Member and the majority of the people who are members are there for fiscal responsibility meaning lower taxes and less government.

    So you are voting for Republicans who will cut taxes on the wealthiest only, and try to revive the Bush Constitutional violations of individual rights & privacy. You've been sold a bill of goods, not a new bill of rights, my man, and being sold down the river.

    But go right ahead. People as naive as you will never see reason, you are lost causes. But I do think others here need to hear a balanced presentation, not a propagandized one, lest those with rational thinking skills be tricked.


    I'm in the 35% tax bracket not just in my personal income (mostly from short term capital gains on stock investments) but also my business. As far as my business goes I will have to lay someone off if the taxes go to 39%. As far as my personal income goes I guess I'm just too naive since I don't want to give 39% of my income away to the federal government so they can spend it on failed programs. How could I be so stupid??


    I guess if I was really smart I would get rid of the business and vote Democrat. Its a lot easier than working.
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    Art_Deco said
    So you are voting for Republicans who will cut taxes on the wealthiest only, and try to revive the Bush Constitutional violations of individual rights & privacy. You've been sold a bill of goods, not a new bill of rights, my man, and being sold down the river.

    But go right ahead. People as naive as you will never see reason, you are lost causes. But I do think others here need to hear a balanced presentation, not a propagandized one, lest those with rational thinking skills be tricked.


    a) In light of the recent discussion with Chris of RJ and many other members who are upset about the lack of civility in the forums, was it really necessary for you to make your point by calling CHRISMA naive?

    b) I'm not aware of any politician calling for "tax cuts for the wealthiest only," rather, the current discussion is regarding not increasing taxes on everyone, or not increasing taxes on everyone except for those in the top tax bracket.


    Okay. To your point a) don't be childish. Everyone knows that Chris was talking about WAY more than calling someone "naive." It's a rather mild observation given what gets said on here.

    And on point b) check out Paul Ryan's "plan" for the economy. It contains, in part, a plan to dismantle social security and use that to give even greater tax cuts to the wealthy.
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    Art_Deco said
    CHRISMA saidI am a Tea Party Member and the majority of the people who are members are there for fiscal responsibility meaning lower taxes and less government.

    So you are voting for Republicans who will cut taxes on the wealthiest only, and try to revive the Bush Constitutional violations of individual rights & privacy. You've been sold a bill of goods, not a new bill of rights, my man, and being sold down the river.

    But go right ahead. People as naive as you will never see reason, you are lost causes. But I do think others here need to hear a balanced presentation, not a propagandized one, lest those with rational thinking skills be tricked.


    I'm in the 35% tax bracket not just in my personal income (mostly from short term capital gains on stock investments) but also my business. As far as my business goes I will have to lay someone off if the taxes go to 39%. As far as my personal income goes I guess I'm just too naive since I don't want to give 39% of my income away to the federal government so they can spend it on failed programs. How could I be so stupid??


    Stock investments are not subject to income tax, they are considered capital gains and taxed at 15%.

    And please tell us which government programs have "failed."
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    Does this organization or any member of the news media ever show the peaceful protests (many of which I have participated in)? No they pick a few stupid people out, interview them and then show it in the media. How bout showing both sides?? How do you feel when the far right wingers categorize the whole gay community as Larry Craig or Gerry Studds or anything perverted when it comes to the gay community, instead of showing something positive about the gay lifestyle?? It works both ways.
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    Christian73 said
    Stock investments are not subject to income tax, they are considered capital gains and taxed at 15%.


    WRONG!!!! Short Term Capital Gains are taxed as ordinary income. Long term capital gains and dividends are taxed at 15%. Get your facts right for once.
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    Art_Deco said
    CHRISMA saidI am a Tea Party Member and the majority of the people who are members are there for fiscal responsibility meaning lower taxes and less government.

    So you are voting for Republicans who will cut taxes on the wealthiest only, and try to revive the Bush Constitutional violations of individual rights & privacy. You've been sold a bill of goods, not a new bill of rights, my man, and being sold down the river.

    But go right ahead. People as naive as you will never see reason, you are lost causes. But I do think others here need to hear a balanced presentation, not a propagandized one, lest those with rational thinking skills be tricked.


    Republicans only cut taxes for the wealthy? wow
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    Art_Deco said
    CHRISMA saidI am a Tea Party Member and the majority of the people who are members are there for fiscal responsibility meaning lower taxes and less government.

    So you are voting for Republicans who will cut taxes on the wealthiest only, and try to revive the Bush Constitutional violations of individual rights & privacy. You've been sold a bill of goods, not a new bill of rights, my man, and being sold down the river.

    But go right ahead. People as naive as you will never see reason, you are lost causes. But I do think others here need to hear a balanced presentation, not a propagandized one, lest those with rational thinking skills be tricked.


    Republicans only cut taxes for the wealthy? wow



    As they should. Its the wealthy who put the lower class to work, but the Democrats want the poor to stay poor, because if they dont they will all start voting Republican.
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    Sep 06, 2010 11:57 PM GMT
    southbeach1500 said
    CHRISMA said
    As they should. Its the wealthy who put the lower class to work, but the Democrats want the poor to stay poor, because if they dont they will all start voting Republican.


    But Republicans did not cut taxes only for the wealthy. They cut taxes for everyone, including the "wealthy" (i.e. those that make more than $250k per year... yeah, real wealthy... ugh).


    And THAT was my point.