I'm too PROUD to participate in PRIDE

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    Sep 04, 2010 4:29 PM GMT
    I love gay people and being Gay but I'm sorry, I don't get Gay Pride events at all...

    I can understand an African American Pride...or a Italian American Pride...or a Senior Citizen Pride...or a Teacher's Pride...But a Gay Pride?

    Yeah I get that gays are discriminated against...But to have a special weekend gathering of people whose only similarity is what they like sexually is ridiculous. No wonder the straights think we are sex-crazed. No wonder there is so much random sex involved with Pride weekends. The whole concept is a celebration of sexuality, not a race or nationality or a profession.

    That's like having a Voyeur Pride weekend, where people who like to watch other people have sex gather and celebrate each other (possibly by watching each other have sex).

    I'm defined by more than my sexuality so participating in Gay Pride doesn't interest me...

    Maybe my beef is just with the word PRIDE. Maybe if it were called "Gay Carnival" or "Gay Mardi Gras" I wouldn't have a problem with it. I dunno.

    SMH

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    Sep 04, 2010 4:33 PM GMT


    Mmm buying into that faith based guilt are you?
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    Sep 04, 2010 4:37 PM GMT
    DoomsDayAlpaca said

    Mmm buying into that faith based guilt are you?


    Huh? I'm an atheist...I don't have a problem with being gay...but I don't get having a Pride event celebrating the fact that I have gay sex...Why not a Watersports Pride...or a Asexual pride....or Leather Play/Bondage Pride...
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    Sep 04, 2010 5:09 PM GMT

    I'm not mad at gay people gathering...but call it what it is:

    The "We're getting together to party because we're men who love sex with men" Celebration Weekend!
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    Sep 04, 2010 5:31 PM GMT
    Sporty_g said
    Claiming "ATHEISM" as a coping mechanism to not have to deal with the disconnect between who you are and what your upbringing taught and indoctrinated you into is common and very convenient. To be lost in the nomenclature or unhappy or even at odds with the "common mainstreaming" of who we are is also a convenient way of denying your connection to the rest of gays around the world.... You certainly don't have to participate, if it an issue for you and what makes you think that those special sub-cultures don't have their own "PRIDE" events?
    How do you feel about celebrating the death of hundreds of thousands of people in wars, or the birth of social/political/religious legends? Or the celebration of food or the celebration of a flag or of being mom, dad, boss, secretary, etc....many "holidays" are ridiculous when analyzed logically...even "PRIDE"... Market a better word than "PRIDE"......icon_cool.gif

    Happy Labor Day Weekend! icon_lol.gif



    Thanks for your comment but I think you missed my point.

    1) I only said mentioned the atheism because the poster claimed I had faith-based guilt. I don't have a problem with my attraction to men.

    2) I agree that most holidays are balony...but because PRIDE seems to basically celebrate that we are a group of men/women that have sex with the same gender by definition makes it a sex-based celebration. People claim that it is about a community...but the basis of that community is built on sex. This is why I'm not interested in it...I might as well attend the Masturbation Pride events all over the country as well...
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    Sep 04, 2010 5:33 PM GMT
    yawn

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    Sep 04, 2010 5:42 PM GMT
    Lostboy saidyawn

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    You Can't think of anything to say...not surprised...
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    Sep 04, 2010 5:43 PM GMT
    I'd be surprised if a Military Veterans Pride turned into a sex party...They are connected by military service not connected by sexuality...

    People claim that it is about a culture/community...but the basis of that community is built on sexuality.
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    Sep 04, 2010 6:30 PM GMT
    You are lucky not to have grown up in a time not so long ago in the western world, when gay people were ashamed of themselves through societal pressure. Many internalized self hatred or homophobia and some killed themselves. ONLY in the very recent past, with improving western social acceptance and understanding have many homosexual people begun to have pride in themselves, all of themselves, including their sexuality. As you appear to have. In many parts of the world being homosexual can carry the weight of the death penalty. Imagine the shame of self and family in those places. Gay pride is still a worthy and noble attribute to strive for, support in others and celebrate in a big world of sexual intolerance and misunderstanding.
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    Sep 04, 2010 6:31 PM GMT
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    Lostboy saidyawn

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    You Can't think of anything to say...not surprised...


    You can´t think of anything new to say.
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    Sep 04, 2010 6:58 PM GMT
    canuckdave saidYou are lucky not to have grown up in a time not so long ago in the western world, when gay people were ashamed of themselves through societal pressure. Many internalized self hatred or homophobia and some killed themselves. ONLY in the very recent past, with improving western social acceptance and understanding have many homosexual people begun to have pride in themselves, all of themselves, including their sexuality. As you appear to have. In many parts of the world being homosexual can carry the weight of the death penalty. Imagine the shame of self and family in those places. Gay pride is still a worthy and noble attribute to strive for, support in others and celebrate in a big world of sexual intolerance and misunderstanding.

    No I hear you and appreciate what you are saying, my point is that I celebrate who I am everyday by just living my life....Having a huge specific celebratory weekend for what is basically a sexual attraction to men doesn't really make sense to me...

    A gay pride seems similar to than having a Masturbation Pride: a gathering/educating/celebrating a community of masturbators that have been discriminated against by jokes and refused handshakes.

    Granted this is an exaggerated example but you know what i mean...
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    Sep 04, 2010 6:59 PM GMT
    Lostboy said
    Indy404 said
    Lostboy saidyawn

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    You Can't think of anything to say...not surprised...


    You can´t think of anything new to say.


    Okay, sorry you feel that way Lostboy, thanks for playing...Dueces!
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    Sep 04, 2010 8:55 PM GMT
    Seriously.. have you not seen any of the other "I´m not proud of pride" type threads in the nearly 2 and a half years you´ve been on RJ? It´s been beaten to death and never had that much life to start with.
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    Sep 04, 2010 8:58 PM GMT
    Well if you dont get it ,,then you dont get it....
    No biggie, everyone has their own life to live..its cool....icon_cool.gif
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    Sep 04, 2010 9:03 PM GMT
    AWESOME finally somebody feels the way I feel about pride. Lets recruit more smart, decent people like us and have a parade against gay pride events. Lets show the world we are not like those whores that we are so much better and we need so much more recognition, fuck those fagots.


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    Sep 04, 2010 9:07 PM GMT
    charlitos saidAWESOME finally somebody feels the way I feel about pride. Lets recruit more smart, decent people like us and have a parade against gay pride events. Lets show the world we are not like those whores that we are so much better and we need so much more recognition, fuck those fagots.


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    Carlitos, why are you being a bad boy today??? Be nice...
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    Sep 04, 2010 9:10 PM GMT
    jgymnast733 said
    charlitos saidAWESOME finally somebody feels the way I feel about pride. Lets recruit more smart, decent people like us and have a parade against gay pride events. Lets show the world we are not like those whores that we are so much better and we need so much more recognition, fuck those fagots.


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    Carlitos, why are you being a bad boy today??? Be nice...


    Im just sick of this topic....ugh...and sick of those who think that just because they havent been to Gay Pride they deserve they're own category. In the mean time I have to watch straight people, and little kids holding rainbow flags during pride, showing support to the gay community while the "high_class" gay guys feel too embarrassed about pride.
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    Sep 04, 2010 9:34 PM GMT
    Indy404 said
    I'm not mad at gay people gathering...but call it what it is:

    The "We're getting together to party because we're men who love sex with men" Celebration Weekend!

    You've been going to the wrong gay prides, or else been getting bad info. The gay prides *I* attend include gay & lesbian parents marching with their children.

    They include GLBT representatives from many career fields, like police, firefighters & EMT, and also politicians and other prominent citizens, either gay themselves or gay-friendly. And religious groups showing support for the gay community, along with businesses.

    I'm aware there are some Mardi Gras aspects to gay prides in some cities, I suppose SF the most. I personally don't like those sleazier aspects myself.

    But in past prides I have myself carried the banner for our Gay & Lesbian Community Center, a non-profit that does much good for our community. And I have led pride parades on my motorcycle 3 times as the escort. And I have pedaled my bike several times in parades to encourage support for HIV/AIDS charities.

    I don't recall that any of what I did was "sex-crazed." Nor did I see anything sex-crazed. What I saw was as wholesome and all-American as any other parade down Main Street. And if that's not what you've been seeing, you need to work to change that. Because there is much good that can come from gay pride parades.

    They give some gays hope & encouragement, and they give them the courage to live a normal life. And they show the straight community our strength of numbers and unity of purpose, and our complete integration into the greater community that many of them think is entirely straight, never imagining we live all around them.

    Please do rethink your position.
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    Sep 05, 2010 9:10 AM GMT
    For a long time, I've argued that I'm certainly not ashamed, but couldn't say I'm proud to be gay.

    Nor am I proud of being a man.

    Or my brown hair.

    Or my blue eyes.

    OK so maybe I am prod of the eyes when I have a good tan and the contrast makes them sparkle and I get a nice pic from it, but I digress.

    Pride events bore me.

    Twenty quid to stand in a muddy field and watch Danni Minogue trying to believe she's as good as her sister?

    Purlease.
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    Sep 05, 2010 9:10 AM GMT
    For a long time, I've argued that I'm certainly not ashamed, but couldn't say I'm proud to be gay.

    Nor am I proud of being a man.

    Or my brown hair.

    Or my blue eyes.

    OK so maybe I am prod of the eyes when I have a good tan and the contrast makes them sparkle and I get a nice pic from it, but I digress.

    Pride events bore me.

    Twenty quid to stand in a muddy field and watch Danni Minogue trying to believe she's as good as her sister?

    Purlease.
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    Sep 05, 2010 9:13 AM GMT
    You have really pretty eyes.

    Indy404 saidI love gay people and being Gay but I'm sorry, I don't get Gay Pride events at all...

    I can understand an African American Pride...or a Italian American Pride...or a Senior Citizen Pride...or a Teacher's Pride...But a Gay Pride?

    Yeah I get that gays are discriminated against...But to have a special weekend gathering of people whose only similarity is what they like sexually is ridiculous. No wonder the straights think we are sex-crazed. No wonder there is so much random sex involved with Pride weekends. The whole concept is a celebration of sexuality, not a race or nationality or a profession.

    That's like having a Voyeur Pride weekend, where people who like to watch other people have sex gather and celebrate each other (possibly by watching each other have sex).

    I'm defined by more than my sexuality so participating in Gay Pride doesn't interest me...

    Maybe my beef is just with the word PRIDE. Maybe if it were called "Gay Carnival" or "Gay Mardi Gras" I wouldn't have a problem with it. I dunno.

    SMH

    *steps off of soapbox*
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    Sep 05, 2010 9:18 AM GMT
    Brit_Bloke saidFor a long time, I've argued that I'm certainly not ashamed, but couldn't say I'm proud to be gay.

    Nor am I proud of being a man.

    Or my brown hair.

    Or my blue eyes.

    OK so maybe I am prod of the eyes when I have a good tan and the contrast makes them sparkle and I get a nice pic from it, but I digress.

    Pride events bore me.

    Twenty quid to stand in a muddy field and watch Danni Minogue trying to believe she's as good as her sister?

    Purlease.


    This resonates most with me

    I stand up for my rights, im not "proud" of who I am.... why should I be? We're all humans... my parents can e proud of me, my siblings, my friends etc... I CAN be proud of others, but I really cant stand it when people go around saying Im "proud to be" this or that.. it makes it seem like they think they're better than us, that goes for sexual pride, racial pride, religious pride, national pride... I have a dislike for "pride"

    "Self-acceptance and self-respect" are more my cup of tea, my tazo of mate, my mug of kaffee, my beaker of chai

    But yeah, to all those in the gay pride, with those guts, you go girls, I am proud not of meself, but of you icon_cool.gif

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    Sep 05, 2010 9:25 AM GMT
    And what is the deal with airplane food? Am I right?

    Terribly sorry you are too thick to see that there is a gay community: a community worth celebrating. You should really try to be a part of it. Maybe then you just wouldn't spout off a bunch stereotypes about gay people.
  • OJ89

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    Sep 05, 2010 10:08 AM GMT
    I was socially outcast about 2 weeks ago when I said I wasn't attending my local pride.
    To be honest, I think it's a lot of money to pay a lot for drinks, and not do much else.
    I'd rather do something productive with my time to be honest icon_smile.gif
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    Sep 05, 2010 10:50 AM GMT
    MunchingZombie saidAnd what is the deal with airplane food? Am I right?

    Terrible sorry you are too thick to see that there is a gay community: a community worth celebrating. You should really try to be a part of it. Maybe then you just wouldn't spout off a bunch stereotypes about gay people.


    In his original post, he said he didn't have any problem with gay pride besides calling it "pride", as if the mardi gras-esque celebration were something every same sex attracted man should be proud of. icon_neutral.gif