Wedding Announcement in the NY Times

  • metta

    Posts: 39144

    Sep 05, 2010 5:30 PM GMT



    William Ferguson & Kim Smith


    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/05/fashion/weddings/05WFerguson.html
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Sep 05, 2010 5:39 PM GMT
    "Mr. Smith, 27, is a cabaret performer who specializes in music and songs from Germany’s Weimar era."

    Now that's what I call specializing in your performing! Aside from Marlene Dietrich's singing in Josef von Sternberg's 1930 The Blue Angel, I wouldn't have a clue what that music would be.

    But not the first time the NYT has done a gay wedding announcement.

  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Sep 05, 2010 6:25 PM GMT
    viveutvivas saidWhy do people do this (announce their wedding in the newspaper)?

    It's a form of boasting.


    Why? It's an announcement of two people committing to each other. Family and friends certainly would want to be made aware of this, so putting an announcement in the paper is a great way to get the word out.

    It's a harmless tradition, and I enjoy seeing the pics of happy couples dressed to the nines.
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Sep 05, 2010 7:18 PM GMT
    viveutvivas saidFamily and friends will already know. If they don't, they are not family and friends. And have you seen the kind of full-page announcements in the Sunday Times? Pure bourgeois boasting.

    Not all friends will know, nor all acquaintances. It goes back to the custom, and sometimes a legal or church requirement, of "publishing the bans" before a wedding, in case anyone knew of an impediment to the marriage. It's part of the marriage ritual, like a wedding cake.

    Is bragging a component? Sure! And why not? They're proud of it, let them have their moment. I also see announcements of school graduations, of business promotions, and also military promotions and accomplishments.

    Keeping your community up to date on your doings is an old tradition, and even in this day of blast e-mails, they still don't reach everybody. I promise you, on the day my partner & I can get married, the newspapers will get a notice from us.
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Sep 05, 2010 7:28 PM GMT
    There is also a reason they did it in Connecticut as opposed to NY

    http://www.hrc.org/ny-marriage/


  • turtleneckjoc...

    Posts: 4685

    Sep 05, 2010 8:14 PM GMT
    I hope everyone will go to the NYT link and see the video. What a beautiful story. Touched my heart completely!
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Sep 05, 2010 8:39 PM GMT
    For fuck's sake, you really push the limits of tedious. Sorry not to have pushed the ignore button long ago.


    viveutvivas said
    OtterJoq said
    viveutvivas saidWhy do people do this (announce their wedding in the newspaper)?

    It's a form of boasting.


    Why? It's an announcement of two people committing to each other. Family and friends certainly would want to be made aware of this, so putting an announcement in the paper is a great way to get the word out.


    Family and friends will already know. If they don't, they are not family and friends. And have you seen the kind of full-page announcements in the Sunday Times? Pure bourgeois boasting.
  • MuscleComeBac...

    Posts: 2376

    Sep 05, 2010 9:33 PM GMT
    In spite of what one has to acknowledge is, indeed, bourgeois about the practice, and perhaps a bit too precious, the significance of this announcement and others like it cannot be underestimated.

    Less than 15 years ago, the NYT did not use the word "lover" or "life-partner" and it took numerous editorial meetings to get them to adopt "long time companion". I know only because I participated in that process when placing an obituary for a prominent member of the Board for an agency where I volunteered.

    This simple editorial policy change was cited in arguments and amicus curiae filed for several cases that helped establish domestic partnership laws for gay couples in New York State, and protection for couples in New York City.

    As liberal a bastion as the Old Grey Lady may be, she is, nonetheless, a marker for cultural norms and influences, and widely read and distributed and (for a little while longer, at least) circulated. As a friend says "just talk about it, and don't stop talking about it. Silence is our enemy." Trust me, people who influence policy at both the judicial and legislative level are talking about this very announcement. And their wives and kids are talking about it, too.

    So, piss in the wind over this if you want, but assimilation isn't always about acquiescing. And even when it is, it seems a tad bitter to kick any two people in the nuts for celebrating their commitment as they damn well please.
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Sep 05, 2010 9:35 PM GMT
    MuscleComeBack said ...it seems a tad bitter to kick any two people in the nuts for celebrating their commitment as they damn well please.


    This.

  • GQjock

    Posts: 11649

    Sep 05, 2010 9:46 PM GMT
    Cute Couple ........... Mazel Tov!

    Now that's what I call specializing in your performing! Aside from Marlene Dietrich's singing in Josef von Sternberg's 1930 The Blue Angel, I wouldn't have a clue what that music would be. icon_cool.gif

    <object style=">
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Sep 05, 2010 9:48 PM GMT
    viveutvivas saidWhy do people do this (announce their wedding in the newspaper)?

    It's a form of boasting.

    I think it's terrific this couple, along with other gay couples, announce their commitment to the public! And the video is a nice bonus to see and hear a couple interact with their genuine feelings, history, and future happiness. This isn't boasting, but does serve as a nice reminder that gay guys can commit and showcase their love especially to old-fashion, mainstream America.
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Sep 05, 2010 10:02 PM GMT
    Your reply has touched me. It is such a well written and significant post ... I love you. I truly love you, and I'm not joking.

    Thank you.

    MuscleComeBack saidIn spite of what one has to acknowledge is, indeed, bourgeois about the practice, and perhaps a bit too precious, the significance of this announcement and others like it cannot be underestimated.

    Less than 15 years ago, the NYT did not use the word "lover" or "life-partner" and it took numerous editorial meetings to get them to adopt "long time companion". I know only because I participated in that process when placing an obituary for a prominent member of the Board for an agency where I volunteered.

    This simple editorial policy change was cited in arguments and amicus curiae filed for several cases that helped establish domestic partnership laws for gay couples in New York State, and protection for couples in New York City.

    As liberal a bastion as the Old Grey Lady may be, she is, nonetheless, a marker for cultural norms and influences, and widely read and distributed and (for a little while longer, at least) circulated. As a friend says "just talk about it, and don't stop talking about it. Silence is our enemy." Trust me, people who influence policy at both the judicial and legislative level are talking about this very announcement. And their wives and kids are talking about it, too.

    So, piss in the wind over this if you want, but assimilation isn't always about acquiescing. And even when it is, it seems a tad bitter to kick any two people in the nuts for celebrating their commitment as they damn well please.
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Sep 05, 2010 10:09 PM GMT
    viveutvivas said"Look how much better than you I am, how much money and influence I have, with my full-page announcement in the NYT."

    Do we have to adopt all that is worst, small-minded, and bourgeois about the straight world? There was a time when being gay meant living life on your own terms, society be damned. Now we are free to join in the worst of the conspicuous consumption excess of the rest, but that does not mean it is a good thing to give in to that.

    Assimilate by all means, but assimilate the good, not the bad.


    Erm, I kinda think you missed the point.
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Sep 05, 2010 10:14 PM GMT
    viveutvivas said"Look how much better than you I am, how much money and influence I have, with my full-page announcement in the NYT."

    Do we have to adopt all that is worst, small-minded, and bourgeois about the straight world? There was a time when being gay meant living life on your own terms, society be damned. Now we are free to join in the worst of the conspicuous consumption excess of the rest, but that does not mean it is a good thing to give in to that.

    Assimilate by all means, but assimilate the good, not the bad.


    There was also a time when being gay meant living your entire life in the closet (for the vast majority of homosexuals).
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Sep 05, 2010 10:32 PM GMT
    Art_Deco said"Mr. Smith, 27, is a cabaret performer who specializes in music and songs from Germany’s Weimar era."

    Now that's what I call specializing in your performing! Aside from Marlene Dietrich's singing in Josef von Sternberg's 1930 The Blue Angel, I wouldn't have a clue what that music would be.

    But not the first time the NYT has done a gay wedding announcement.



    Yeah, not the first time at all.

    Apart from the ubiquitous Weill (who really didn't write cabaret songs as a rule), Friedrich Hollaender and Mischa Spoliansky are probably the composers who are best remembered and most performed nowadays. Ute Lemper is the best known performer of the repertoire nowadays, but she's not the only one.