Qur'an Burning By Christian Group Still Scheduled For Sep 11th

  • metta

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    Sep 08, 2010 12:56 AM GMT

    Qur'an Burning By Christian Group Still Scheduled For Sep 11th

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100907/ap_on_re_us/quran_burning
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    Sep 08, 2010 1:33 AM GMT
    i gotta say thats pretty fucked.
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    Sep 08, 2010 1:42 AM GMT
    sad to see so much wasted energy to hate another group. WWJS?
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    Sep 08, 2010 1:50 AM GMT
    Hatred breeding hatred like a wildfire blaze.
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    Sep 08, 2010 1:54 AM GMT
    This will be an excellent opportunity for Muslims around the world to show the forebearance that they wish to have shown to them. After all, we're not talking about zealots flying plane loads of innocent people into skyscrapers and the ground.
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    Sep 08, 2010 2:08 AM GMT
    Just to show that we're an equal opportunity hater:
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/religion/6346662/North-Carolina-church-plans-Halloween-Bible-burning.htmlThe book-burning is hoped to be a social event, with a barbecue laid on for attendees. It is not clear whether the meat will be grilled over the heat of burning Gospels.


    Let him burn the Quran since he's clearly oblivious to the risk and wants to commit suicide. He can join Salman Rushdie in hiding.
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    Sep 08, 2010 2:11 AM GMT
    Caslon15000 saidThis will be an excellent opportunity for Muslims around the world to show the forebearance that they wish to have shown to them. After all, we're not talking about zealots flying plane loads of innocent people into skyscrapers and the ground.


    God. I never tire of the Muslim = Terrorist assertion.
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    Sep 08, 2010 2:21 AM GMT
    Caslon15000 saidThis will be an excellent opportunity for Muslims around the world to show the forebearance that they wish to have shown to them. After all, we're not talking about zealots flying plane loads of innocent people into skyscrapers and the ground.


    That's a specious comparison. What I'd really like to know is when Americans stopped holding our country to a higher standard? When I was growing up, I swallowed the whole "America, America" thing, and it pains me now to see how so many people are so willing for us to crawl down into the gutter.

    The optics of the whole are horrible and it's going to provoke terrible reactions against our troops. Just because I'm against the war, doesn't mean I don't think that our service men and women deserve the best possible chance of not getting killed by an IED.
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    Sep 08, 2010 2:25 AM GMT
    MunchingZombie said
    Caslon15000 saidThis will be an excellent opportunity for Muslims around the world to show the forebearance that they wish to have shown to them. After all, we're not talking about zealots flying plane loads of innocent people into skyscrapers and the ground.


    God. I never tire of the Muslim = Terrorist assertion.

    I wasn't equating Muslims with terrorists. On the contrary, I was making the point that just as Muslims don't want to be lumped together with terrorists, so they shouldn't lump everyone else with the Koran burners in Florida. There have already been protests with cries for death to Ametica and death to Obama. Hence, my observation that this would be an excellent opportunity for them to show the forebearance that they wish to be shown.
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    Sep 08, 2010 2:40 AM GMT
    Caslon15000 saidI wasn't equating Muslims with terrorists. On the contrary, I was making the point that just as Muslims font want to be lumped together with terrorists, so they shouldn't lump everyone else with the Koran burners in Florida. There have already been protests with cries for death to Ametica and death to Obama. Hence, my observation that this would be an excellent opportunity for them to show the forebearance that they wish to be shown.


    That shows a tremendous lack of empathy.
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    Sep 08, 2010 2:58 AM GMT
    MunchingZombie said
    Caslon15000 saidI wasn't equating Muslims with terrorists. On the contrary, I was making the point that just as Muslims font want to be lumped together with terrorists, so they shouldn't lump everyone else with the Koran burners in Florida. There have already been protests with cries for death to Ametica and death to Obama. Hence, my observation that this would be an excellent opportunity for them to show the forebearance that they wish to be shown.


    That shows a tremendous lack of empathy.


    Try telling that to the Wahabbists and Salafists and other Islamic extremist nutters who really do believe in bringing Sharia Law to every "infidel" nation.

    That law which subjugates women as chattel to their husbands or fathers, and calls for gays and lesbians to be killed by hanging, stoning (not the 420 kind) trampling, being pushed off of a building or a cliff, or beheaded.

    Sure, most Muslims do not think that way, but there is far from a majority that are speaking up loudly against the nuttery of their more extreme brethren.

    Folks like that Koran burning pastor are a shame to Gospel they should be preaching (love, redemption, and repentance) : but at the same time, I think you'll see a lot more Christians taking issue with that guy than you might of Middle Eastern Muslims taking issue with the more radical imams in their midst.
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    Sep 08, 2010 3:05 AM GMT
    alphatrigger saidTry telling that to the Wahabbists and Salafists and other Islamic extremist nutters who really do believe in bringing Sharia Law to every "infidel" nation.

    That law which subjugates women as chattel to their husbands or fathers, and calls for gays and lesbians to be killed by hanging, stoning (not the 420 kind) trampling, being pushed off of a building or a cliff, or beheaded.

    Sure, most Muslims do not think that way, but there is far from a majority that are speaking up loudly against the nuttery of their more extreme brethren.

    Folks like that Koran burning pastor are a shame to Gospel they should be preaching (love, redemption, and repentance) : but at the same time, I think you'll see a lot more Christians taking issue with that guy than you might of Middle Eastern Muslims taking issue with the more radical imams in their midst.


    What does that have to do with anything? Of course there are thousands of Muslims who really don't like our country. Between Israel, Iraq, Afghanistan, Guantanamo, and the very loud anti-Muslim sentiment in our politics we are certainly giving Muslims every opportunity to hate our country.

    You and Cas (whom I respect and normally enjoy) are painting very broad strokes here and are essentially saying all Muslims are culpable for behavior we find abhorrent.

    Rather than declaring this a fine opportunity for Muslims across the world to show that they are not all terrorists (it is astounding that we are even requesting that) we should, as Americans, see this as an opportunity to show all Muslims that we do not condone this sort of hate.
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    Sep 08, 2010 3:36 AM GMT
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    alphatrigger saidTry telling that to the Wahabbists and Salafists and other Islamic extremist nutters who really do believe in bringing Sharia Law to every "infidel" nation.

    That law which subjugates women as chattel to their husbands or fathers, and calls for gays and lesbians to be killed by hanging, stoning (not the 420 kind) trampling, being pushed off of a building or a cliff, or beheaded.

    Sure, most Muslims do not think that way, but there is far from a majority that are speaking up loudly against the nuttery of their more extreme brethren.

    Folks like that Koran burning pastor are a shame to Gospel they should be preaching (love, redemption, and repentance) : but at the same time, I think you'll see a lot more Christians taking issue with that guy than you might of Middle Eastern Muslims taking issue with the more radical imams in their midst.


    What does that have to do with anything? Of course there are thousands of Muslims who really don't like our country. Between Israel, Iraq, Afghanistan, Guantanamo, and the very loud anti-Muslim sentiment in our politics we are certainly giving Muslims every opportunity to hate our country.

    You and Cas (whom I respect and normally enjoy) are painting very broad strokes here and are essentially saying all Muslims are culpable for behavior we find abhorrent.

    Rather than declaring this a fine opportunity for Muslims across the world to show that they are not all terrorists (it is astounding that we are even requesting that) we should, as Americans, see this as an opportunity to show all Muslims that we do not condone this sort of hate.


    What Zombie said!
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    Sep 08, 2010 4:10 AM GMT
    This is disturbed. I'm embarrassed to admit to a belief in christian things.

    Then again, the wacked can state whatever they like. They can say they're whatever political stripe they claim, as well whatever religious stripe they claim, and give that institution a bad name.

    -Doug
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    Sep 08, 2010 8:01 AM GMT
    Zombie -

    My point was that extremism in any faith or religion is counterproductive and counter to any sort of peace.

    That said, it seems to all outward appearances... that the liberal and moderate voices of Islam are largely either cowed into silence or worse, quietly in agreement with their more extreme co-religionists.

    The few who do speak up against Islamic extremism seem to be targeted by the extremists for being killed or otherwise silenced.

    I wish I knew why this was, but aside from the various geopolitical factors you mentioned - all of which currently impede the restoration of the Islamic Caliphate that was suspended in the days of the last Ottoman Sultan.

    Christianity has no better heritage coming through its several hundred years of internecine, sectarian wars, to say nothing of the various Crusades; but I would also argue that modern Christianity is by and large a more mature religion at this point in history than Islam is (again, by and large - not to speak of individuals or individual small communities of either faith).

    And I fully agree with you that the better thing would be to see more Christians and Americans in general condemning the behaviour of these two book-burners whose example will only serve to inflame rather than extend the message of their Gospel in peace.
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    Sep 08, 2010 9:56 AM GMT
    metta8 said
    Qur'an Burning By Christian Group Still Scheduled For Sep 11th

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100907/ap_on_re_us/quran_burning


    I hope they do the world a huge favor and burn themselves instead.
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    Sep 08, 2010 9:58 AM GMT
    MunchingZombie said
    What does that have to do with anything? Of course there are thousands of Muslims who really don't like our country. Between Israel, Iraq, Afghanistan, Guantanamo, and the very loud anti-Muslim sentiment in our politics we are certainly giving Muslims every opportunity to hate our country.


    By your logic, between killing gays and stoning women, I should be taking a shit on every single Middle Eastern Muslim country I see minus Lebanon, Jordan, and Turkey.
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    Sep 08, 2010 10:43 AM GMT
    Where da Pitchforks at? icon_confused.gif

    Christians .... instead of worrying about the Muslims tryin' to build a community center in Manhattan
    Try Cleanin' up your own freakin' act first, huh?
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    Sep 08, 2010 11:35 AM GMT
    alphatrigger said[...]


    Folks like that Koran burning pastor are a shame to Gospel they should be preaching (love, redemption, and repentance) : but at the same time, I think you'll see a lot more Christians taking issue with that guy than you might of Middle Eastern Muslims taking issue with the more radical imams in their midst.


    Really, so what? What is helpful or informative about this statement, and what sort of conclusion does it lead you or anyone to?

    This is one of those situations where there is some subtlety and ambiguity involved, some seemingly competing assertions that don't actually cancel each other out. The sort of thing that we talked about some people having a problem comprehending..

    The concept of religious blasphemy: stupid.
    The likely response of riled-up religious hordes: stupid (on both sides)
    Knowing that riled-up religious hordes will cause damage because of this: true
    Not caring because your personal jesus tells you you're right: basic religion
    Hoping for war in the middle east to bring on the "end times": what our previous president believed

    People will be hurt or injured because of this action, and it doesn't matter if the people doing the hurting are justified or not. And these people don't care. Isn't that enough of a basis for discussion?



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    Sep 08, 2010 12:04 PM GMT
    MunchingZombie said
    Rather than declaring this a fine opportunity for Muslims across the world to show that they are not all terrorists (it is astounding that we are even requesting that) we should, as Americans, see this as an opportunity to show all Muslims that we do not condone this sort of hate.


    Nicely stated MZ.

    Expecting others to do something we are incapable of is the height of hypocrisy, and the reason the cycle of hate will continue.
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    Sep 08, 2010 12:10 PM GMT
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    Caslon15000 saidThis will be an excellent opportunity for Muslims around the world to show the forebearance that they wish to have shown to them. After all, we're not talking about zealots flying plane loads of innocent people into skyscrapers and the ground.


    How fucking stupid. You should, at your age, realise that if they behave in this way, like spoiled children having a tantrum, then the people who will suffer are Americans, westerners and the more moderate Muslims.

    This would be a good time for ex President Bush to join his words of condemnation to what these fuckwits are proposing.

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    Sep 08, 2010 12:15 PM GMT
    An embarassment and really more than outragious. Another example of
    a group of right wingers....hypocrites to proclaim to be christian, but would
    rather follow a course of action no better than the radicals in the mid east.
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    Sep 08, 2010 1:00 PM GMT
    I don't see anything wrong in asking Muslims of the world to discern between this one church and the whole rest of the Western world, just as they want the West not to lump all Muslims as terrorists.
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    Sep 08, 2010 1:16 PM GMT
    Caslon15000 saidI don't see anything wrong in asking Muslims of the world to discern between this one church and the whole rest of the Western world, just as they want the West not to lump all Muslims as terrorists.


    The article clearly shows that American Christians have not been able to do this. Why should we expect the Muslims to be any better than these people?
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    Sep 08, 2010 2:07 PM GMT
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    Caslon15000 saidI don't see anything wrong in asking Muslims of the world to discern between this one church and the whole rest of the Western world, just as they want the West not to lump all Muslims as terrorists.


    The article clearly shows that American Christians have not been able to do this. Why should we expect the Muslims to be any better than these people?


    I tend to think that we Americans, as a supposedly "Christian nation", that is, where we have a sizeable plurality if not a majority of Americans identifying themselves as Christians...

    ... that we have a better overall track record of respecting just basic human rights in general than many Muslim dominated countries.

    And with the exception of a very small handful of Muslim nations... it is hard to deny that an extremely vocal minority of radical clerics and their followers has a very disproportionate amount of influence over the more moderate Muslims.

    A parallel would be like Fred Phelps and Pat Robertson setting policy for all Christians in America. Most Americans will consider the first guy a total crackpot, and the other a hypocrite.

    The same is the case for the two knuckleheads who want to barbecue the Koran and non-King James bibles.

    They are both complete and utter nutters, and I am very confident that MOST Americans will regard them as such: well outside the mainstream of (Christian) faith.

    There are plenty of anti-Christian displays and actions that happen every day, but you don't see most preachers and priests calling for the stoning or beheading of "blasphemers"... at least not in the past few generations or so.

    But draw a "blasphemous" picture of Mohammed, and there'll be much calling for blood and murders of the offending parties.

    The most radical thing we'll likely see is a bunch of morons burning some books, and a bunch of people complaining about building a mosque near the World Trade Center site (which they have every right to do, even if it might be viewed by many Lower Manhattan residents as a move made in bad taste).

    Now when you see large roving packs of "Christian" militias prowling about America hanging Muslims from streetlights and high-lift construction equipment, and bombing mosques and the like, then I'll tell you that American Christians are just as bad if not worse than the Muslims.

    Of course... this in no way justifies the book burnings, or other idiocies that religionists of any stripe or creed engage in.