Bartenders?

  • zenny

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    Sep 08, 2010 5:10 AM GMT
    How did you guys first started bartending? I need some tips and pointers about how to get into the field. I'm going to need a job pretty soon to pay for school and bills. I heard that bar managers usually ask for experience? Thank you in advance.
  • Cannon

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    Sep 08, 2010 5:46 AM GMT
    If you can't find a job as a bartender without experience, start out as a bus boy and work your way up. Do some or all of the following: be social at work, shmooze, take a course, memorize recipes, learn to pour, and lift some weights. You can make a decent amount of money bussing in the mean time.
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    Sep 08, 2010 5:57 AM GMT
    I started as a waiter in a large corporate restaurant in college and had to "earn" my spot behind the bar. Once I did, though, I got all the free training/experience/knowledge I wanted. I would need more than the two hands I have to count all the friends/acquaintances I know who shelled out hundreds of dollars for "bartending school" and have yet to even set foot behind a bar.

    The best advice, as already said and rings true in any business, is to network. Meet bartenders and restaurant/club managers, study recipes and terminology, and go from there! It's a lot of fun icon_smile.gif

    Good luck!
  • Kage

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    Sep 08, 2010 9:59 AM GMT
    I errr...worked in a number of gay bars and managed a few of them.
    Just go to your nearest gay bar and apply.
    Be honest about what you can and can not do.

    Reading up on shots and cocktails would be beneficial and a few of the basic mixes.

    It's a great way to make money and a great way to have errr fun and meet people. icon_wink.gif
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    Sep 08, 2010 1:02 PM GMT
    Bar manager usually takes a year of work before you get that high, start waiting (tables I mean)
  • tuffguyndc

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    Sep 08, 2010 1:18 PM GMT
    ManVaKar saidI started as a waiter in a large corporate restaurant in college and had to "earn" my spot behind the bar. Once I did, though, I got all the free training/experience/knowledge I wanted. I would need more than the two hands I have to count all the friends/acquaintances I know who shelled out hundreds of dollars for "bartending school" and have yet to even set foot behind a bar.

    The best advice, as already said and rings true in any business, is to network. Meet bartenders and restaurant/club managers, study recipes and terminology, and go from there! It's a lot of fun icon_smile.gif

    Good luck!
    manvakar, i wish someone would have told me that when i was younger. i went through bartending school and really never got a chance to be a bartender . anyhow buddy, i think everyone is giving you some really great advice and that is go through being a bar back or a waiter. i think that is the best way to go.
  • rnch

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    Sep 08, 2010 1:28 PM GMT
    how do gay bartenders (or bartneders in general) finance their 50's, 60's and eventual retirement? i suspect very few bars have lucrative 401K plans for their employees...do bartender even pay into the questionalbe social security system?

    it's easy to make Big Bucks and drag in mega tips when you are in your 20's, 30's and (perhaps) 40's; when you are thin, cute (or at least still youthfull looking) and still look good with your shirt off and can still flirt and get away with it...but that's not going to last forever.

    do gay bartenders just "party on" and not worry about the future?


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    Sep 08, 2010 1:33 PM GMT
    The bar I worked out made new employees work four months before they'd let them pour anything, and then it was only at the shot bar. Getting behind the bar? That was a least a year.

    Like people have said though, go and apply. You'll be stuck serving and bar backing at first, but take an interest in learning how to mix drinks from day one and you should climb up pretty easily.
  • Kage

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    Sep 08, 2010 1:37 PM GMT
    rnch saidhow do gay bartenders (or bartneders in general) finance their 50's, 60's and eventual retirement? i suspect very few bars have lucrative 401K plans for their employees...do bartender even pay into the questionalbe social security system?

    it's easy to make Big Bucks and drag in mega tips when you are in your 20's, 30's and (perhaps) 40's; when you are thin, cute (or at least still youthfull looking) and still look good with your shirt off and can still flirt and get away with it...but that's not going to last forever.

    do gay bartenders just "party on" and not worry about the future?


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    I fail to see the relevance of this to the topic at hand.
    Do you have a point Mr. Grinch? icon_twisted.gif
  • rnch

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    Sep 08, 2010 1:40 PM GMT
    [quote][cite]Kage said....
    I fail to see the relevance of this to the topic at hand.
    ...[/quote]

    20 years from now (when you are 51) you will! icon_lol.gif
  • Kage

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    Sep 08, 2010 1:50 PM GMT
    QUOTE AUTHOR GOES HERE
    rnch said[quote][cite]Kage said....
    I fail to see the relevance of this to the topic at hand.
    ...


    20 years from now (when you are 51) you will! icon_lol.gif


    I love it when people assume all kinds of things about me without cause.icon_wink.gif
    But please assume away...who am I to detract from your pleasure sir.

    A good barman can make $700+ a night for 5 shifts a week.
    Put away some for savings or a retirement anuity plan he should be taken care of when say...he's 51 or so. icon_rolleyes.gif




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    Sep 08, 2010 1:53 PM GMT
    when you do get the job, be as congenial as possible from greeting to farewell with the customer. eye contact while making the drink, use humor, try genuine compliments/interest in their evening. you will usually get tipped much better than if you just make the drink like it's just a task. good luck man. it's a fun job if you make it one.
  • rnch

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    Sep 08, 2010 1:54 PM GMT
    [quote][cite]Kage said....Put away some for savings or a retirement anuity plan he should be taken care of when say...he's 51 or so....[/quote]

    yeh, i can see THAT happening every week for the next 20 or 30 years.icon_rolleyes.gif


    also, your nightly salary range is pure fantasy.
  • Kage

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    Sep 08, 2010 2:06 PM GMT
    rnch said[quote][cite]Kage said....Put away some for savings or a retirement anuity plan he should be taken care of when say...he's 51 or so....


    QUOTE AUTHOR GOES HEREyeh, i can see THAT happening every week for the next 20 or 30 years.icon_rolleyes.gif


    also, your nightly salary range is pure fantasy.
    [/quote]

    You are right, that salary range is pure fantasy. I made a mistake with the conversion and was thinking per week @ $145+ per shift.

    As for the longevity of being a barman.
    Who knows?
    /shrug

    I also suggest that you do not assume things about me.
    It could lead to all kinds of misunderstandings and misinterpretations.
    Feel free to ask. icon_wink.gif
  • rnch

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    Sep 08, 2010 2:18 PM GMT
    Kage, perhaps you will be one of the Fortunate Few who make a lucrative, steady income at bartending. you seem like a man of exceptional character and intelligence here on RJ. perhaps you will follow thru with your regular and re-occuring deposits into a private 401K. very few Americans seem to have the internal self disipline needed to save reguarly; perhaps you are the exception.

    or...


    perhaps "reality" with rear up her ugly head and bite you on the ass and ruin your questionable plans for the future.

    who knows?

    here in new orleans, in a bar and tourist orientated city, i know of very few bartenders who are "well off" and "financially secure" and looking forward to their distant retirement.

    most of the bartenders i know live from paycheck and paycheck and ore just barely "getting by".

    perhaps it is different where you live?
  • Kage

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    Sep 08, 2010 2:21 PM GMT
    rnch saidKage, perhaps you will be one of the Fortunate Few who make a lucrative, steady income at bartending. you seem like a man of exceptional character and intelligence here on RJ. perhaps you will follow thru with your reguar and re-occuring deposits into a private 401K.

    or...


    perhaps "reality" with rear up her ugly head and bite you on the ass and ruin your questionable plans for the future.

    who knows?

    here in new orleans, in a bar and tourist orientated city, i know of very few bartenders who are "well off" and "financially secure" and looking forward to their distant retirement.

    most of the bartenders i know live from paycheck and paycheck and ore just barely "getting by".

    perhaps it is different where you live?


    Errr...I'm not a barman.icon_neutral.gif

    I used to be a barman.
    Now I'm the branch manager for a very successful travel company.

    See...that little thing called "assumption" is coming back to bite you in the ass.icon_wink.gif
  • rnch

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    Sep 08, 2010 2:30 PM GMT
    [quote][cite]Kage said...I used to be a barman.
    Now I'm the branch manager for a very successful travel company...[/quote]

    so....bartending didn't become the "easy money" path to fame, weath and fortune, hey?

    you have just proven my point.



    our little discussion here points out the difference in ages that you and I enjoy.

    in your late twenties/early thirites, one still believes that he can "conquer the world" and be rich, handsome, sexy & successfull before age 40.

    in your fifties, you just want to pay the bills and plan for retirement.

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    one day in the not-too-distant future, Kage, you will become me. icon_eek.gif
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    Sep 08, 2010 2:36 PM GMT
    Step one, watch Cocktail starring Tom Cruise
    Step two, get ripped to look hot in a tight t-shirt
    Step three, learn to flirt with everyone!
    ;)
  • Kage

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    Sep 08, 2010 2:45 PM GMT
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    rnch said[quote][cite]Kage said...I used to be a barman.
    Now I'm the branch manager for a very successful travel company...


    so....bartending didn't become the "easy money" path to fame, weath and fortune, hey?

    you have just proven my point.



    our little discussion here points out the difference in ages that you and I enjoy.

    in your late twenties/early thirites, one still believes that he can "conquer the world" and be rich, handsome, sexy & successfull before age 40.

    in your fifties, you just want to pay the bills and plan for retirement.

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    one day in the not-too-distant future, Kage, you will become me. icon_eek.gif
    [/quote]

    All you have proven is that you have aged gracelessly and would rather and obstinately, I will add, wallow in your misconceptions of others. icon_wink.gif
  • emailaddress

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    Sep 08, 2010 2:46 PM GMT
    Now I get it.
  • rnch

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    Sep 08, 2010 2:47 PM GMT
    [quote][cite]Kage said...All you have proven is that you have aged gracelessly and would rather and obstinately, I will add, wallow in your misconceptions of others. icon_wink.gif
    [/quote]

    more than a few gay guys around your age here in new orleans would say otherwise.... icon_biggrin.gif
  • rnch

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    Sep 08, 2010 2:48 PM GMT
    cowboyy78 saidStep one, watch Cocktail starring Tom Cruise
    Step two, get ripped to look hot in a tight t-shirt
    Step three, learn to flirt with everyone!
    ;)


    YEH-U-RITE!! icon_lol.gif:
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    Sep 08, 2010 2:50 PM GMT
    Find a smoke-free bar. You dont want to die from this experience.
  • Kage

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    Sep 08, 2010 2:57 PM GMT
    rnch said[quote][cite]Kage said...All you have proven is that you have aged gracelessly and would rather and obstinately, I will add, wallow in your misconceptions of others. icon_wink.gif


    more than a few gay guys around your age here in new orleans would say otherwise.... icon_biggrin.gif[/quote]

    Bwahahahahaha!
    Without a doubt! icon_wink.gif
  • zenny

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    Sep 08, 2010 3:56 PM GMT
    Well...I know bartending isn't going to be my career, I just want to do it while Im still in school. I was considering going to bartending school, but I heard alot of negativities about it. There's this gay bar in town I kinda like and the owner is there all the time. I met him a couple of times but didn't know he was the owner. I'm going to try and ask him to let me observe the workplace and in turn clean up the bar for him or something. Hahah