Interesting read - "The Charity of Muslims"

  • sm1ley1

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    Sep 08, 2010 11:43 AM GMT
    We witness the contrast of two countries-China and Pakistan in a time of
    great tragedy.

    Both were devasted by disastrous flooding, landslides, massive
    destruction and loss of lives.

    The Chinese responded by mobilising their own resources, thousands of armed forces, police and volunteers systemmatically tackled the problems. You see Chinese all over the country giving donations in all forms, cash and kind.

    The Chinese leaders were at the site of tragedy within 24 hours.

    In Pakistan, the President was enjoying his holiday trip to London, and he has yet to make his first visit to the scene of tragedy.

    In Pakistan, we see the long lines of the affected and refugees, dressed in their long robs, blaming that the government for not coming to help them, and so they just sit down and wait and wait, and they are absolutely incapable of organising themselves to help themselves, because the suffering that befall them is God's will- inshaallah!

    China has not asked for a single cent from other countries or international organisations for assistance.

    In the meantime, the UN is seeking US$460 million for Pakistan.

    The Talibans said it will give Pakistan $20 million if it rejects aids
    from the western infidels!

    The US has pledged $50 million, Australia 9 million.

    And the Arab countries?

    Kuwait pledged $5 million, Turkey $0.28 million, and UAE $0.028 million
    which is less than the cost of a toy for an Arab Sheik! The rich Arabs have oil and cash to drown themselves, but none to spare to help their
    fellow Muslims!

    In every tragedy, it is always the western infidels and wealthy Asian nations who respond to the sufferings of the Muslims!

    Where is all the love and brotherhood that Muslims preach in their holy
    Koran? Each day we hear them pray so loud and clear, but how many reach out to their pockets to give something to their suffering Muslims?

    The wonders and greatness of Islam and Muslims. Muslims and Islam still remain a great mystery to me!
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    Sep 08, 2010 11:59 AM GMT
    and the take away message is?

    Become communist? Or just that Muslims are bad people?
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    Sep 08, 2010 2:31 PM GMT
    http://www.worldbulletin.net/news_detail.php?id=62390
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    Sep 08, 2010 2:36 PM GMT
    Muslim charities win praise as "angels" in Pakistan floods
    Muslim charities have been quick to step in to help after this month's devastating floods, winning hearts and minds as frustration with the government who pursues US-backed policies grows

    ----lead of the above linked article
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    Sep 08, 2010 4:11 PM GMT
    The take away message is that all of us in the western world are a bunch of total fucktards for keeping to pour money is this bottomless pit of muslim misery.

    In Pakistan (and in Afghanistan too btw), we're spending HUGE amounts of money on a bunch of people that if given the chance, would wipe us all off the face of the earth, us and our western society and our decadent values.

    Somebody once said that every people gets the government it deserves.
  • me35mtl

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    Sep 08, 2010 4:23 PM GMT
    first i just want to clear it up, im not muslim and not from Pakistan..
    With that said i think its really sad when people think this way..
    EVERYONE deserves help...just cuz the Talibans and a few other fanatics are fuckers, does not mean the rest of the population is as well..There are children separated from families as well as elderly on the street starving and dying.
    This is a third world country. And no one has the right to say who deserves help and who doesnt, even if they would kill me in the end
  • sm1ley1

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    Sep 08, 2010 5:04 PM GMT
    me35mtl saidfirst i just want to clear it up, im not muslim and not from Pakistan..
    With that said i think its really sad when people think this way..
    EVERYONE deserves help...just cuz the Talibans and a few other fanatics are fuckers, does not mean the rest of the population is as well..There are children separated from families as well as elderly on the street starving and dying.
    This is a third world country. And no one has the right to say who deserves help and who doesnt, even if they would kill me in the end


    I think it is even sadder that you have a death wish. Helping one another is good, but not to the point where it threatens your own existence.

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    Sep 08, 2010 5:08 PM GMT
    sm1ley1 said
    me35mtl saidfirst i just want to clear it up, im not muslim and not from Pakistan..
    With that said i think its really sad when people think this way..
    EVERYONE deserves help...just cuz the Talibans and a few other fanatics are fuckers, does not mean the rest of the population is as well..There are children separated from families as well as elderly on the street starving and dying.
    This is a third world country. And no one has the right to say who deserves help and who doesnt, even if they would kill me in the end


    I think it is even sadder that you have a death wish. Helping one another is good, but not to the point where it threatens your own existence.



    Hmmmm, I have to disagree... soldiers do exactly that, and though I disagree with war, I cannot say that soldiers have a death wish or do not have noble intentions
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    Sep 08, 2010 5:12 PM GMT
    amar_m saidHmmmm, I have to disagree... soldiers do exactly that, and though I disagree with war, I cannot say that soldiers have a death wish or do not have noble intentions


    You´re being pedantic. He was saying that saving people so that they can then kill you is not smart. I agree.
  • me35mtl

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    Sep 08, 2010 5:36 PM GMT
    no i do not have a death wish...its called actually caring about people and putting their needs ahead of mine. Especially when it comes to children and the elderly.
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    Sep 08, 2010 5:37 PM GMT
    The take away message I see is that Western values uphold generosity and giving in time of need, Chinese values uphold community and sharing in time of need...

    ...and Islamic nations - particularly the more backward ones that lack a large oil export capacity - still really rather tribalistic - their giving is superficial and sort of speaks more of a "better you than us" mentality amongst their own.
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    Sep 08, 2010 5:39 PM GMT
    alphatrigger saidThe take away message I see is that Western values uphold generosity and giving in time of need, Chinese values uphold community and sharing in time of need...

    ...and Islamic nations - particularly the more backward ones that lack a large oil export capacity - still really rather tribalistic - their giving is superficial and sort of speaks more of a "better you than us" mentality amongst their own.


    I agree with exactly with what you mean but i think in most parts ALL religons think they are better than others..I came across so many and they all look down.
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    Sep 08, 2010 5:40 PM GMT
    sm1ley1 said
    me35mtl saidfirst i just want to clear it up, im not muslim and not from Pakistan..
    With that said i think its really sad when people think this way..
    EVERYONE deserves help...just cuz the Talibans and a few other fanatics are fuckers, does not mean the rest of the population is as well..There are children separated from families as well as elderly on the street starving and dying.
    This is a third world country. And no one has the right to say who deserves help and who doesnt, even if they would kill me in the end


    I think it is even sadder that you have a death wish. Helping one another is good, but not to the point where it threatens your own existence.



    Dude that's just not a very smart statement. Causality or your perceived causality doesn't go THAT far.

    What I'm saying is that a) we shouldn't be providing aid to a country where the government of that very same country leaves its own people to suffer and die and 2) we shouldn't be providing aid to people who hate us, everything we are, everything we stand for and if given the chance, wipe us off the face of the earth, as dictated by their retarded religion they all blindly follow (cause that's what the less developed do, they follow their religion blindly, just like many American christians do)

    With that I am NOT saying "they're all terrorists" but I'm saying that their view of the world looks favorably on destroying the western world, not necessarily that every individual would actually be willing to pull the trigger themselves.

    And next to that, that part of the world has always been a mess. It always was and always will be. Speaking of beating a dead horse.

    If those floods take care of anything, it's the retarded muslim tendency to breed and breed until you can't feed. I vote to stand back and let this problem take care of itself.

    Also, whether we will spend 50 million or 100 million or a billion on aid, will that make the masses look any more favorable on the western world? I don't think so. The taliban can have this one.
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    Sep 08, 2010 5:45 PM GMT
    "If those floods take care of anything, it's the retarded muslim tendency to breed and breed until you can't feed. I vote to stand back and let this problem take care of itself. "

    well i guess you have a point then..that would be like everyone suffering from AIDS should be on their own too right? i mean after all they brought it up on themselves..same way pakistan is breeding non stop..
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    Sep 08, 2010 5:46 PM GMT
    Here is a little article on aid contributions by country.

    Many countries who have given quite a bit of aid are predominantly Muslim. Three of the largest donors per capita are Sweden, Norway, and Denmark. Is the take away message the secular people are more generous than Christians?

    No, of course not. The take away message here is that all Muslims are horrible people and deserve to die, right?
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    Sep 08, 2010 5:57 PM GMT
    The take away message?

    Thats simple, Americans are all to quick to throw money at other countries to make our selves look and feel good. However when it comes to our own people? Well fuck you, this is America and you had your chance to be rich!
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    Sep 08, 2010 6:07 PM GMT
    just to put facts on the discussion board. The ten highest contributions (pledged) by country/agency for the Pakistan flood relief as of 8th September 2010 are as follows:

    1) Saudi Public Relief Fund USD 242 million
    2) US/USAID USD 216 million
    3) DFID/UK USD 115 million
    4) Saudi Government USD 106 million
    5) EU USD 87 million
    6) Netherlands USD 38 million
    7) Canada USD 33 million
    icon_cool.gif Denmark USD 33 million
    9) UAE USD 32 million

    These btw are official Ministry figures and not taken from random articles online.

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    Sep 08, 2010 6:08 PM GMT
    me35mtl said"If those floods take care of anything, it's the retarded muslim tendency to breed and breed until you can't feed. I vote to stand back and let this problem take care of itself. "

    well i guess you have a point then..that would be like everyone suffering from AIDS should be on their own too right? i mean after all they brought it up on themselves..same way pakistan is breeding non stop..


    That's apples and oranges dude. Not a valid comparison AT ALL.
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    Sep 08, 2010 6:23 PM GMT
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    sm1ley1 said
    me35mtl saidfirst i just want to clear it up, im not muslim and not from Pakistan..
    With that said i think its really sad when people think this way..
    EVERYONE deserves help...just cuz the Talibans and a few other fanatics are fuckers, does not mean the rest of the population is as well..There are children separated from families as well as elderly on the street starving and dying.
    This is a third world country. And no one has the right to say who deserves help and who doesnt, even if they would kill me in the end


    I think it is even sadder that you have a death wish. Helping one another is good, but not to the point where it threatens your own existence.



    Dude that's just not a very smart statement. Causality or your perceived causality doesn't go THAT far.

    What I'm saying is that a) we shouldn't be providing aid to a country where the government of that very same country leaves its own people to suffer and die and 2) we shouldn't be providing aid to people who hate us, everything we are, everything we stand for and if given the chance, wipe us off the face of the earth, as dictated by their retarded religion they all blindly follow (cause that's what the less developed do, they follow their religion blindly, just like many American christians do)

    With that I am NOT saying "they're all terrorists" but I'm saying that their view of the world looks favorably on destroying the western world, not necessarily that every individual would actually be willing to pull the trigger themselves.

    And next to that, that part of the world has always been a mess. It always was and always will be. Speaking of beating a dead horse.

    If those floods take care of anything, it's the retarded muslim tendency to breed and breed until you can't feed. I vote to stand back and let this problem take care of itself.

    Also, whether we will spend 50 million or 100 million or a billion on aid, will that make the masses look any more favorable on the western world? I don't think so. The taliban can have this one.


    Oh hey look another sorry excuse for a human being."Breed and breed until they cant feed" that sounds like humanity in general.
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    Sep 08, 2010 6:27 PM GMT
    You calling me a sorry excuse for a human being?
  • me35mtl

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    Sep 08, 2010 6:35 PM GMT
    no i think he just meant think about what you really mean before you say it out loud..
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    Sep 08, 2010 6:43 PM GMT
    me35mtl saidno i think he just meant think about what you really mean before you say it out loud..


    Nah, I pretty much meant it. He's being a total summers eve and his lack of empathy is disturbing.
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    Sep 08, 2010 6:46 PM GMT
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    me35mtl saidno i think he just meant think about what you really mean before you say it out loud..


    Nah, I pretty much meant it. He's being a total summers eve and his lack of empathy is disturbing.


    Well peaches, how much have you donated to the Pakistan relief effort?

    To show that empathy of yours.

    I care about this much: $0,-
  • me35mtl

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    Sep 08, 2010 6:50 PM GMT
    if youre talking to me i gave 100..just like when i gave to Haiti..
    I know i cant save every country and give the same but judging them on a country as a whole based on a few peoples actions isnt what i do.

    And as for the AIDS comment and the breeding comment..its pretty much is the same thing..
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    Sep 08, 2010 7:01 PM GMT
    me35mtl saidif youre talking to me i gave 100..just like when i gave to Haiti..
    I know i cant save every country and give the same but judging them on a country as a whole based on a few peoples actions isnt what i do.

    And as for the AIDS comment and the breeding comment..its pretty much is the same thing..


    I don't judge the country. I judge the dominant culture of that country and the surrounding countries based on my own value system. Just like everybody else does. Many values instituted by the islamic religion and the cultural practices of that region are pure evil in my view. Hence I shall have no part in supporting or preserving them, and I cheer on their demise.

    As far as the AIDS thing goes, I don't see how you can think that's the same thing. We're talking about a cultural thing, producing many many children with one or more wives, even though it's obvious that you don't have the resources to properly care for them. Yet they do it anyway out of selfish motives, cause many children is seen is as a safeguard for when they reach old age. How exactly is that similar to people with AIDS?