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    Sep 09, 2010 10:50 AM GMT
    So Chi-Chi La Rue and other gay porn makers have lashed out against gay porn as have major events such is IML.

    They all claim that gay bareback porn...

    - is dangerous and puts its models at risk
    - is irresponsible as it promotes HIV/AIDS, and STDS
    - is immoral

    For some reason, they and those against gay bareback porn have forgotten a few facts.

    1 - Bareback porn does not promote bareback sex. Bareback sex is all about feeling as in NO CONDOM FEELS BETTER yet watching 2 men having sex on video will not impact or effect your current sexual habits.

    If bareback porn promotes bareback sex, then if enough gay men watch straight porn, they will want to have sex with women or anyone who watch a video where some pisses on another, takes 2 dicks in their ass, or gets fisted, will want to go out and tries those things.

    Then there are those who simply aren't during on by condoms? Is this a crime or any different by someone who is turned on by fisting or pissing?

    You can get STDs from rimming and oral sex or having someone cum inside your mouth yet no one attacks studios that do these acts BARE because as long as penetration is with condoms, everything and everyone is safe right?

    2 - Porn actors are ASKED if they want to be in bareback porn and they CHOOSE to get paid and take the risk. Even if the studio doesn't test the models, its still up to the models to say no.

    A prime example of this is STUNT MEN. There are individuals that perform stunts that are too dangerous for an actor to perform which means everyone in acknowledgment that the getting hit by a car is too dangerous for James Franco to do but its OK for his stunt double to do.

    Again, stunt doubles train as much as they can to avoid injury but regardless, there is always a risk and it has taken lives yet no one finds it IMMORAL that Hollywood pays these people to do dangerous stunts and for no recognition.

    And spare me the whole "YOUNG GAYS WHO HAVE NO CHOICE BUT TO DO PORN AND THUS, THEY EXPOSE THEMSELVES TO HARM BY DOING BAREBACK PORN"

    Personally, if your turning to gay bareback porn to pay your bills because you have no options, why should I feel sorry for you?

    Should I feel bad for drug dealers for selling drugs as a means to put food on the table and survive?

    3 - MMA, Boxing, and Hand to Hand combat competitions, events, or sports are again, where two people willing and on their own accord, decided to engage in a combat situation for sport, pay, or both.

    Promoters and event holders then charge you to see this and the participants suffer a great deal of injury at your viewing pleasure.

    NASCAR can follow suit seeing as its illegal to drive at the speeds they do yet its OK once its on a track and the rest of the world isn't at any danger yet those race car drivers still are.

    4 - JACKASS, YOUTUBE, and INJURY VIDEOs are all over the next and extremely popular and almost everyone watches and its GLOBAL.

    Here is SCARLETT TAKES A TUMBLE

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cIwTYL1fwJk

    This has been viewed by 15 million,

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s8EnaLn-OlU

    This version by over 3 million.

    This one, where a kid falls very painfully riding his bike off a truck has over 100,000 views. Its rather graphic.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6pgKosfIsM

    Now, no one ever thinks that WOW, THAT LOOKED LIKE IT WAS PAINFUL or that its wrong to laugh at other when they get seriously hurt. No one ever feels wrong, immoral, or ashamed that they have viewed and laughed at the videos.

    Then of course, you have the guys of JACKASS who video tape themselves doing outrageous stunts and they inflict real pain on each other and its a huge success yet no one feels bad that essentially, they are making these guys famous by paying them to put themselves constantly in danger and they in return, have to get more outrageous in order to feed the demand.

    5 - Straight porn. Why doesn't straight porn ever use the label BAREBACK? you can head over to www.NERDPASS.com and watch clips and no where will you see a condom or the words BAREBACK / CONDOM FREE.

    No one attacks them for being immoral or irresponsible.

    Straight porn even takes it a step further with CREAMPIES where men actually ejaculate inside the female as part of the closing shot and no one cries about how this promotes pregnancy or abortions or anything.

    So unless you avoid all of the following, I think its wrong to waste so much energy going against or "taking a stand" against bareback porn.

    While we are at it though, lets shut down Bathhouse and Gay Bars with Darkrooms as people end up having unprotected sex at those places and of course, internet male4male sites since you can state you have a preference for unprotected sex on those sites as well.

    Yes, HIV/AIDS is a problem and I'm not ignorant to that. I personally use condoms for all the sex that I have and when I'm in a committed relationship, I get tested with my partner and if we are negative, we lose the condoms and have natural sex much like how heterosexual couples do and yet its considered "bareback."

    If I catch HIV, I only have myself to blame because those who refuse to have any sex but that with condoms are still HIV free and I am not.
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    Sep 09, 2010 11:05 AM GMT
    OK, here's why you're wrong:

    1) Bareback porn does promote bareback sex - young guys watch bareback porn and believe that it is fine to have bareback sex with whoever, whenever - just like they've seen in the pornos. Guys, and especially young gay guys who probably don't have positive role models in their real life to look up to and learn about sex and their sexuality from, will use porn as a teaching tool, as well as a means of exploring their sexuality. To claim that guys will watch it and NOT want to emulate it is totally naive.

    Guys who aren't turned on by condoms? Boo fricking hoo. Get over it and realise that it's something to keep you safe, not something meant to turn you on. I wonder if those same guys are turned on by STDs and AIDS?

    Yes, you can get STDs from these other acts that you describe, but they are far less risky than unprotected anal sex, and the consequences less likely to be permanent.

    2) Perhaps you're right, that guys are agreeing to do bareback porn, not being forced to. But by being a consumer of bareback porn, you are creating the demand for it, meaning more guys will be willing to do it as they know it can be lucrative. I don't know what moral scale you subscribe to, but to me that just doesn't add up. Personally, I don't think it's right to put lives at risk just for my sexual satisfaction when I have a wank. You know, it just doesn't add up to me - maybe I'm crazy.


    3) and 4) Comparing bareback porn and the prevalence and increase of HIV, AIDS and other STDs in the gay community with car racing and Jackass is incredibly crass, can't even comment further on that.
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    Sep 09, 2010 11:29 AM GMT
    NickFit...Couldn't have said it any better! Behaviour is always modeled, and once people accepted condoms as an empowerment tool...reflected in the porn of the early-mid nineties....the rates of HIV, STD infections did decrease significantly!

    The bottom line question for every man who has multiple partners is..why am I having sex? The inner dialogue will allow thoughtful personal debate..and healthier sex choices may be not far behind!!icon_cool.gif
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    Sep 09, 2010 11:44 AM GMT
    I have to disagree with the original poster on this thread. In most other professions, people have been let-go from a job or even fired because of actions that took place in their personal life. The legal argument for many of those vacancies in job positions has been that their actions lacked the requisite role model to the community they serve.

    The same goes for porn. Your actions speak louder than words. I dont care how many times a film or website says they do not promote unsafe sex. The mere portrayal of it helps to encourage a concept of ' its ok to do it." Its not ok!
  • trvlmscl

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    Sep 09, 2010 12:01 PM GMT
    The OP is ridiculous, IMO.

    I agree with NickFit, bareback porn DOES promote unsafe sex. This is an area of the industry, both gay & straight, that I think needs to be regulated a lot better, perhaps even with new legislation alongside the 2257 (18+ age requirement/verification) law.

    When I watch porn (and I watch a LOT of it even though I'm in porn), I dont even notice the condom. If you are not paying attention to the dick going in the ass, and are hung up on the protection being used, you are missing all the hot action! Watching two (or more!) guys that obviously care about their HIV- status is MUCH hotter than watching two (stupid) guys fuck bareback.
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    Sep 09, 2010 12:04 PM GMT
    Yeah, NickFit had it right. And you have to give a little deference to guys like Chi Chi LaRue, who is over 50 and very likely went through the experience of watching large swaths of friends (and employees?) die around him in the '80s and early '90s. He's certainly helped change the minds of young performers like Brent Everett.
    Here's a recent article on the subject that also brings up a law suit claiming bareback studios are an unsafe work environment: http://www.thebody.com/content/art57955.html

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    Sep 09, 2010 12:12 PM GMT
    ...good on you 1969er for bringing some sense into the discussion - I just don't get this thread - unsafe sex can never be condoned - either in film or real life...
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    Sep 09, 2010 12:31 PM GMT
    NickFit saidOK, here's why you're wrong:

    1) Bareback porn does promote bareback sex - young guys watch bareback porn and believe that it is fine to have bareback sex with whoever, whenever - just like they've seen in the pornos. Guys, and especially young gay guys who probably don't have positive role models in their real life to look up to and learn about sex and their sexuality from, will use porn as a teaching tool, as well as a means of exploring their sexuality. To claim that guys will watch it and NOT want to emulate it is totally naive.

    Guys who aren't turned on by condoms? Boo fricking hoo. Get over it and realise that it's something to keep you safe, not something meant to turn you on. I wonder if those same guys are turned on by STDs and AIDS?

    Yes, you can get STDs from these other acts that you describe, but they are far less risky than unprotected anal sex, and the consequences less likely to be permanent.


    You say "To claim that guys will watch it and NOT want to emulate is totally naive" yet what about all the men who do watch bareback porn and still use condoms?

    Or men who only porn with condoms and still decided to bareback?

    Again, if WATCHING something makes you DO something, then the fault is all on you.

    As I've stated, I've seen so many things on gay porn yet have never actually thought 'I'M GOING TO DO THAT NEXT TIME."

    I don't care care how hot it looks on porn, there is no way I'm sticking 2 dicks up my ass.

    "Guys who aren't turned on by condoms? Boo fricking hoo. Get over it and realise that it's something to keep you safe, not something meant to turn you on. I wonder if those same guys are turned on by STDs and AIDS?"

    Just because I am not turned on by condoms doesn't mean I won't use them in real life. If I choose to WATCH a porn, I want to only see guys I find hot and sex I find hot.

    Austin Wilde is one of my FAVORITE porn stars but I won't watch a porn if he gets pissed on or fisted.

    "Yes, you can get STDs from these other acts that you describe, but they are far less risky than unprotected anal sex, and the consequences less likely to be permanent."

    The fact remains though, there is a risk in performing these acts. If your against bareback, I assume your against any porn where someone cums inside another man's mouth right?

    I know quiet a few people who consider that to be dangerous and risky and thus, avoid it the same way they avoid bareback sex.

    If you feel this strong that bareback porn is bad, are you against it in ALL forms, being gay or straight?

    Why is it just an attack on GAY bareback porn?
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    Sep 09, 2010 12:34 PM GMT
    jpopenb saidI have to disagree with the original poster on this thread. In most other professions, people have been let-go from a job or even fired because of actions that took place in their personal life. The legal argument for many of those vacancies in job positions has been that their actions lacked the requisite role model to the community they serve.

    The same goes for porn. Your actions speak louder than words. I dont care how many times a film or website says they do not promote unsafe sex. The mere portrayal of it helps to encourage a concept of ' its ok to do it." Its not ok!


    How is performance in porn choosing to do a BAREBACK scene any different then stunt men choosing to be lit on fire or crash a car into a wall?

    Both put the individual's life in danger and yet no one attacks stunt men as irresponsible, the film makers for creating such dangerous scenes, or the studio for paying them to take a risk they DON'T want the stars of the film to take.
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    Sep 09, 2010 12:37 PM GMT
    redmcs saidWatching two (or more!) guys that obviously care about their HIV- status is MUCH hotter than watching two (stupid) guys fuck bareback.


    QFT!

    In actual fact, I find watching a guy putting on a condom and lubing up incredibly sexy, and I love it when they actually show this in porn, compared with the bottom guy sucking the top, then turning around and bending over and magically the top is wearing a condom!
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    Sep 09, 2010 12:39 PM GMT
    BJBien1010 said
    How is performance in porn choosing to do a BAREBACK scene any different then stunt men choosing to be lit on fire or crash a car into a wall?

    Both put the individual's life in danger and yet no one attacks stunt men as irresponsible, the film makers for creating such dangerous scenes, or the studio for paying them to take a risk they DON'T want the stars of the film to take.


    That comparison is pointless. A stuntman is trained and practiced in performing stunts safely. Yes, there's a risk, but they take all the necessary precautions to mitigate that risk and they are trained and skilled for their job.

    A porn star's job is to fuck, their job is NOT to dodge HIV, and there is no skill or experience that will prevent you becoming infected if you fuck bareback.
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    Sep 09, 2010 12:39 PM GMT
    NickFit said
    redmcs saidWatching two (or more!) guys that obviously care about their HIV- status is MUCH hotter than watching two (stupid) guys fuck bareback.


    QFT!

    In actual fact, I find watching a guy putting on a condom and lubing up incredibly sexy, and I love it when they actually show this in porn, compared with the bottom guy sucking the top, then turning around and bending over and magically the top is wearing a condom!


    i have to agree with this one. condoms are hot, and a flesh colored dick gets real old real fast, i like to spice it up with some yellow or red condoms

    i think nick would look hot in a blue one

    just sayin
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    Sep 09, 2010 12:44 PM GMT
    In my opinion, the continued insistence that no condoms feels better and making it the ideal to be obtained is enough to encourage people to not use condoms.

    Also, in my opinion, if every sexually active person used condoms 100% of the time for non-reproductive intended sex since HIV was discovered, HIV and AIDS would not be the issue it is know.
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    Sep 09, 2010 12:44 PM GMT
    BJBien1010 said
    You say "To claim that guys will watch it and NOT want to emulate is totally naive" yet what about all the men who do watch bareback porn and still use condoms?

    Or men who only porn with condoms and still decided to bareback?

    Again, if WATCHING something makes you DO something, then the fault is all on you.

    As I've stated, I've seen so many things on gay porn yet have never actually thought 'I'M GOING TO DO THAT NEXT TIME."

    I don't care care how hot it looks on porn, there is no way I'm sticking 2 dicks up my ass.


    YOU might personally not see something and want to try it or think it's 'the norm' but many young impressionable gay guys WILL do so - are you absolving yourself of responsibility totally? Are you so unconcerned with the gay community and its youth that you just don't care? Also, it's not just as simple as 'monkey see, monkey do' - it's the message it's sending out.

    BJBien1010 said
    Just because I am not turned on by condoms doesn't mean I won't use them in real life. If I choose to WATCH a porn, I want to only see guys I find hot and sex I find hot.

    Austin Wilde is one of my FAVORITE porn stars but I won't watch a porn if he gets pissed on or fisted.


    So you are now comparing safer sex with fetishes. That just does not compute, sorry but I can't even begin to comprehend this argument. If seeing a condom turns you off watching porn so much, stick to the real thing and don't bother with porn, or watch solo stuff.

    BJBien1010 said
    The fact remains though, there is a risk in performing these acts. If your against bareback, I assume your against any porn where someone cums inside another man's mouth right?


    Pretty much, I think it's risky and irresponsible behaviour.


    BJBien1010 said
    If you feel this strong that bareback porn is bad, are you against it in ALL forms, being gay or straight?

    Why is it just an attack on GAY bareback porn?


    Yeah, pretty much. It's not an attack on GAY porn but I think it's important, personally, to promote healthy sexual behaviour amongst our community. Sad that you don't.
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    Sep 09, 2010 12:46 PM GMT
    waxon said
    i have to agree with this one. condoms are hot, and a flesh colored dick gets real old real fast, i like to spice it up with some yellow or red condoms

    i think nick would look hot in a blue one

    just sayin


    I can't remember if I've ever used a blue one actually, I'll have to try! Definitely used a black and a red/pink one though. Not too sure on the red/pink, kinda looks like it's gotten sore!
  • inuman

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    Sep 09, 2010 12:47 PM GMT
    Okay first off you have to understand not everyone is as bright as you are when it comes to watching things on your tv or pc. A lot of people are impressionable when it comes to such things. Example is the stuff you mentioned on youtube.

    Also when arguing or venting about a subject its best to stick to the subject rather then add other things into the mix that has no real baring or likeness on the subject. The ability to argue your point and stay on topic isn't that hard. No need to add other things into the mix. Really now adding MMA, Nascar, etc. is just wrong and has to stop, stick to the subject and argue your points otherwise it was just a useless thread like many others.
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    Sep 09, 2010 12:48 PM GMT
    redmcs saidThe OP is ridiculous, IMO.

    I agree with NickFit, bareback porn DOES promote unsafe sex. This is an area of the industry, both gay & straight, that I think needs to be regulated a lot better, perhaps even with new legislation alongside the 2257 (18+ age requirement/verification) law.

    When I watch porn (and I watch a LOT of it even though I'm in porn), I dont even notice the condom. If you are not paying attention to the dick going in the ass, and are hung up on the protection being used, you are missing all the hot action! Watching two (or more!) guys that obviously care about their HIV- status is MUCH hotter than watching two (stupid) guys fuck bareback.


    Exactly why are those who have made the choice to bareback stupid or stupider then say NASCAR drivers who choose to participate in an event where accidents and fatalities are a real concern?

    What if they enjoy the rush, the thrill, the excitement?

    Everyone keeps on saying that BAREBACK porn PROMOTES unsafe sex and that its the responsibility of the studios to stop bareback porn in order to keep HIV/AIDS down but this logic is FLAWED.

    If watching BAREBACK PORN makes people have bareback sex and expose themselves to HIV/AIDS, then...

    MOVIES, MUSIC, BOOKS, and ALL MEDIA that shows sex, drugs, violence, and illegal activities are promoting illegal acts and thus, need to be STOPPED and yet, no one does this.

    Why? Because we all know that art should not be censored and that COMMON SENSE and logic are something every individual has to take into account.

    If you met me and found out I was a cocaine user and drug dealer because I saw SCARFACE would you blame SCARFACE for my situation? Attack Hollywood for corrupting my life?

    Or if I saw the film BOYS DON'T CRY or THE MATTHEW SHEPARD STORY and decided to beat a GLBT person, would you not see this as stupid?

    Yet no one sees people bare backing because of gay porn as stupid.

    I'm supposed to feel sorry for a YOUNG, NAIVE, gay men deciding to have bareback sex because they saw it in a porno? Really, your going to take life lessons from a porno?!
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    Sep 09, 2010 12:52 PM GMT
    NickFit said
    BJBien1010 said
    How is performance in porn choosing to do a BAREBACK scene any different then stunt men choosing to be lit on fire or crash a car into a wall?

    Both put the individual's life in danger and yet no one attacks stunt men as irresponsible, the film makers for creating such dangerous scenes, or the studio for paying them to take a risk they DON'T want the stars of the film to take.


    That comparison is pointless. A stuntman is trained and practiced in performing stunts safely. Yes, there's a risk, but they take all the necessary precautions to mitigate that risk and they are trained and skilled for their job.

    A porn star's job is to fuck, their job is NOT to dodge HIV, and there is no skill or experience that will prevent you becoming infected if you fuck bareback.


    There is testing that can tell you if you or your partner has HIV.

    You can make sure there are no tears in your anus or that the penis is cut.

    You can NOT cum inside the person and pull out before.

    The risk of infection is still there of course but its also there if you take a guys load in the mouth or rim him or perform oral on him all of which guys in condom porn do too.

    Again, how is it a pointless comparison. Clear minded individuals CHOOSE to be part of a field and decided to take the risks.
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    Sep 09, 2010 12:56 PM GMT
    BJBien1010 said
    MOVIES, MUSIC, BOOKS, and ALL MEDIA that shows sex, drugs, violence, and illegal activities are promoting illegal acts and thus, need to be STOPPED and yet, no one does this.

    Why? Because we all know that art should not be censored and that COMMON SENSE and logic are something every individual has to take into account.

    If you met me and found out I was a cocaine user and drug dealer because I saw SCARFACE would you blame SCARFACE for my situation? Attack Hollywood for corrupting my life?

    Or if I saw the film BOYS DON'T CRY or THE MATTHEW SHEPARD STORY and decided to beat a GLBT person, would you not see this as stupid?

    Yet no one sees people bare backing because of gay porn as stupid.

    I'm supposed to feel sorry for a YOUNG, NAIVE, gay men deciding to have bareback sex because they saw it in a porno? Really, your going to take life lessons from a porno?!


    You seem to not understand a vital point - movies, TV shows etc are FICTION! When someone in a movie gets killed, they aren't killed in real life.

    Porn is NOT fiction, they are real people having real sex. Comparing the two is NOT possible.
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    Sep 09, 2010 1:01 PM GMT
    Sorry, bucko, but I'm going to play the age card here, so hopefully you'll open your ears and hear me:

    In 1982 I started losing dozens and dozens of friends, ended up over 100 friends or colleagues or associates were dead within eight years. During that time I worked very closely with CBO's doing the first safer-sex education trainings and studies with young gay men. The proof is there, for over two decades now, that behavioral modification and adoption of safer sex practices is influenced through observation, and that young men in particular are in fact influenced heavily by what they see in pornography.

    A responsible segment of the industry is finally, at long last, speaking up about something that is putting men at risk, and unless you have evidence the contrary at the age of 24 - smack in the middle of the range of those proven to be easily influenced - then I would ask you to consider that your own self-actualized sense of what does and does not influence your behavior may not be shared by the majority of your peer group. Therefore the painful wisdom of people more experienced and with memories of something you should never have to experience truly should prevail for the sake of others, if not for you personally.

    This is not to slap you down, son. This is to prevent you and your friends and family from having their arms up to their elbows in the ashes of people they love, scattering them in memory and wishing they'd learned before it was too late.

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    inuman saidOkay first off you have to understand not everyone is as bright as you are when it comes to watching things on your tv or pc. A lot of people are impressionable when it comes to such things. Example is the stuff you mentioned on youtube.

    Also when arguing or venting about a subject its best to stick to the subject rather then add other things into the mix that has no real baring or likeness on the subject. The ability to argue your point and stay on topic isn't that hard. No need to add other things into the mix. Really now adding MMA, Nascar, etc. is just wrong and has to stop, stick to the subject and argue your points otherwise it was just a useless thread like many others.


    In NASCAR and MMA, the participants engage in activity that is illegal in the real world.

    Battery, Assault, and Speeding are all illegal, dangerous, and has taken many many lives.

    Still, people watch MMA and NASCAR where people put themselves in constant danger and in the case of MMA or any contact sport, actually receive real pain and injuries and yet no one feels its immoral, wrong, or dangerous.

    In gay bareback porn, I am watching two men have sex without condoms and both men are at risk of contracting an STD, HIV, or AIDS.

    Studio's can test the models and make sure they don't swap cum but if the performer is OK with doing it, then why is it wrong?

    If a NASCAR Driver and a Boxer, Mix Martial Artist, or a stunt man can choose to willingly put themselves in danger for their profession, why can't a gay man who decides to have bareback sex?

    I respect anyone's decision to NOT use condoms or to bareback. It's their choice and whatever they get is on them much how I can't feel to sorry if any of the men mentioned above die doing what they chose to do.

    If I contracted HIV from having only bareback sex, I wouldn't expect anyone to feel sorry for me since at the end of the day, many gay men are keeping themselves safe and I choose not to.
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    Sep 09, 2010 1:09 PM GMT
    NickFit said
    BJBien1010 said
    MOVIES, MUSIC, BOOKS, and ALL MEDIA that shows sex, drugs, violence, and illegal activities are promoting illegal acts and thus, need to be STOPPED and yet, no one does this.

    Why? Because we all know that art should not be censored and that COMMON SENSE and logic are something every individual has to take into account.

    If you met me and found out I was a cocaine user and drug dealer because I saw SCARFACE would you blame SCARFACE for my situation? Attack Hollywood for corrupting my life?

    Or if I saw the film BOYS DON'T CRY or THE MATTHEW SHEPARD STORY and decided to beat a GLBT person, would you not see this as stupid?

    Yet no one sees people bare backing because of gay porn as stupid.

    I'm supposed to feel sorry for a YOUNG, NAIVE, gay men deciding to have bareback sex because they saw it in a porno? Really, your going to take life lessons from a porno?!


    You seem to not understand a vital point - movies, TV shows etc are FICTION! When someone in a movie gets killed, they aren't killed in real life.

    Porn is NOT fiction, they are real people having real sex. Comparing the two is NOT possible.


    Personally, I feel all porn is fiction. Fake names, fake situations, and yes, even the sex is fake. Its all done for the angels and positions. Its all planned.

    As for the actual act of intercourse, if straight performance seem to engage in sex without any protection and manage to get no attacks what so ever from anyone.

    You NickFit seem to be against all forms of unsafe sex involving real people and I commend you for that.

    My beef is against those like Chi-Chi- LaRue who attack others in the gay community and in gay porn yet do nothing for against "barebacking" in straight porn.

    Are straight performances and heterosexuals at risk for HIV too?

    Straight porn seems to be doing just fine show condomless sex and no one seems to care or attack them.

    Why not?
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    Sep 09, 2010 1:10 PM GMT
    I just don't understand the fascination that you guys have with porn.

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    Sep 09, 2010 1:18 PM GMT
    QUOTE AUTHOR GOES HEREPersonally, I feel all porn is fiction. Fake names, fake situations, and yes, even the sex is fake. Its all done for the angels



    I doubt they're the ones watching porn.
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    Sep 09, 2010 1:21 PM GMT
    MuscleComeBack saidSorry, bucko, but I'm going to play the age card here, so hopefully you'll open your ears and hear me:

    In 1982 I started losing dozens and dozens of friends, ended up over 100 friends or colleagues or associates were dead within eight years. During that time I worked very closely with CBO's doing the first safer-sex education trainings and studies with young gay men. The proof is there, for over two decades now, that behavioral modification and adoption of safer sex practices is influenced through observation, and that young men in particular are in fact influenced heavily by what they see in pornography.

    A responsible segment of the industry is finally, at long last, speaking up about something that is putting men at risk, and unless you have evidence the contrary at the age of 24 - smack in the middle of the range of those proven to be easily influenced - then I would ask you to consider that your own self-actualized sense of what does and does not influence your behavior may not be shared by the majority of your peer group. Therefore the painful wisdom of people more experienced and with memories of something you should never have to experience truly should prevail for the sake of others, if not for you personally.

    This is not to slap you down, son. This is to prevent you and your friends and family from having their arms up to their elbows in the ashes of people they love, scattering them in memory and wishing they'd learned before it was too late.



    This brings into argument a few things...

    - Gay men only started to wear condoms and practice safe sex out of FEAR or losing their own lives by seeing how fast and fetal HIV/AIDS was and thus, infection rates went down.

    - Gay men now a days have more unprotected sex because HIV and AIDS is treatable and manageable.

    So back when HIV and AIDS started and people started dying, it became clear that gay men and more to worry about then STDs and thus, started wearing condoms. It was a death sentence and FEAR put infection rates down, not EDUCATION.

    This isn't a false statement because even though education and awareness is at an all time high [condoms are available everywhere, hiv testing is free, we know exact methods and behaviors that promote a safe and healthy sex life], more and more gay men are getting HIV and AIDS because of the advancement in HIV/AIDS medication.

    So how exactly does bareback porn fit into this picture?

    Gay guys aren't scared of HIV/AIDS because once some gets it, they are told that ITS NOT THE END OF THE WORLD, ITS LIVEABLE, ITS TREATABLE, YOU WILL LEAD A HEALTHY NORMAL LIFE and yet there is the argument that LaRue and others push about how ITS EXPENSIVE TO HAVE HIV, THE MEDICATION IS AWFUL AND DOESN'T ALWAYS WORK AND YOU HAVE TO WATCH RE-ADJUST YOUR LIFE AND LIFESTYLE FROM THE WAY IT WAS.

    I agree fully that there is a problem with the spread of HIV and AIDS but I don't think gay bareback porn is the problem.

    Its a scape goat. Nothing more.

    Its almost as if everyone feels that if all bareback pornography stopped, that it would have a SERIOUS impact on HIV infections and the spread of the virus.