The 9/11 Quaran burnings

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    Sep 09, 2010 4:42 PM GMT
    Yay or nay?

    Should that dumb shit Florida minister go ahead with the planned quaran book burning or should he not?


    I personally think if he does it he'll get killed. Probably by some radical Islamist or something.

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    Sep 09, 2010 4:47 PM GMT
    I think it's shameful to show disrespect for ANY religion. Burning the Quaran is not only disrepectful, it shows ignorance and antiquated behavior.
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    Sep 09, 2010 4:47 PM GMT
    You might want to peruse the forums more thoroughly. There are two threads on this already....and well along.
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    Sep 09, 2010 4:58 PM GMT
    Dude, what are u? The forum police. icon_rolleyes.gif

    I remember ur dumbass got banned from another forum on a different website a while back, don't make me ban u from this one too icon_lol.gif
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    Sep 09, 2010 5:07 PM GMT
    Import saidDude, what are u? The forum police. icon_rolleyes.gif

    I remember ur dumbass got banned from another forum on a different website a while back, don't make me ban u from this one too icon_lol.gif


    LOL... he's not the police...he's the GOD for Forums!! Haven't you noticed...he has over 15,000 posts. He's PERFECT, just ask him...he'll tell you that he is...icon_lol.gif
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    Sep 09, 2010 5:16 PM GMT
    The man is an idiot and should be forcibly restrained. It will cost American lives if he is not.


    /Btw referring to the Floridian cult leader, not to CaslonTheDeluded/
  • rnch

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    Sep 09, 2010 5:19 PM GMT
    he's nothinng more than a meglamaniac asshole using religion to promote himself.

    not the first "Religious Leader" to do this; won't be the last either.

    So Sad.
  • davidnta

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    Sep 09, 2010 6:19 PM GMT


    Technically this is a first amendment issue. So I support it based on our ability to speak our minds.

    Personally, he's crazy and this is a bad idea and is comparable to Fred Phelps and his nutty family.
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    Sep 09, 2010 6:33 PM GMT
    Import saidDude, what are u? The forum police. icon_rolleyes.gif

    I remember ur dumbass got banned from another forum on a different website a while back, don't make me ban u from this one too icon_lol.gif

    How eerie that you should bring that up on this thread.

    The discussion back then was about striking down Blasphemy laws in the UK and it was concerned with a gay poem about Jesus whose author had been convicted of blasphemy.

    http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-6519.html/

    The announcement that the government may support moves to strike down blasphemy laws comes 30 years after Denis Lemon was found guilty of committing libel against Christianity, the last prosecution for blasphemy.

    He was the editor of the now defunct but iconic UK newspaper Gay News.

    Mary Whitehouse, founder of the National Viewers and Listeners Association, (NVLA) announced her intention to sue in December 1976 after she read the poem entitled The Love That Dares To Speak Its Name by James Kirkup, published in Gay News.

    Denis Lemon was sentenced to nine months suspended imprisonment and fined £500.

    Publisher Gay News Limited was fined £1,000.

    They were represented by creator of Rumpole of the Bailey and defence counsel at the Oz "conspiracy" trial in 1971, John Mortimer QC, at the Old Bailey.

    An appeal against the conviction was rejected by the House of Lords.

    It still 'illegal' to publish the poem in the UK.

    However, it was published again in two socialist newspapers few days after the original trial the offending poem as a protest against censorship.

    It expresses the fictional love of a Roman Centurion for Jesus and describes him having sex with the Christ's crucified body and is reproduced below.

    Her indictment submitted in December 1976 against Gay News stated:

    "A blasphemous libel concerning the Christian religion, namely an obscene poem and illustration vilifying Christ in his life and in his crucifixion."

    Mrs Whitehouse was appointed a CBE in 1980.

    The NVLA, now known as mediawatch, still regards their founder as the 'late, great Mary Whitehouse.'

    They maintain their objective that the organisation has kept pressure on broadcasting authorities (they no longer monitor the press) to explain standards of 'taste and decency' and that this objective is as relevant today as it was in the 1960s.

    John Beyer, director of mediawatch told PinkNews.co.uk last year:

    "I think that the prosecution was justified because it was upheld and the appeal was rejected."

    He says that with regard to 'that poem.' "The standards for decency still stand."

    The fact that the ban rankles sections of society which support gay rights and are against censorship, he says is "irrelevant."

    "It has nothing to do with 'rights,' the judicial process was followed and it was found to be a breach of the law. The fact remains that the law has not been repealed – the attitudes may have changed.

    "Freedom comes with responsibility otherwise we end up with anarchy. The law of the land applies to everybody."

    He refused to express a more personal view on the matter.

    "That is irrelevant."

    "It is a weakness in the judicial system that the same law cannot be upheld when the poem is re-published in other sections of the media."

    I posted the poem so we would know what the he'll we were talking about and the Christians on the site went wild!

    Here's the poem. Let's see if it gets me banned again.

    It closed down in 1983. Mr Lemon died in July 1994.

    The Love That Dares To Speak Its Name

    By James Kirkup

    As they took him from the cross

    I, the centurion, took him in my arms-

    the tough lean body

    of a man no longer young,

    beardless, breathless,

    but well hung.

    He was still warm.

    While they prepared the tomb

    I kept guard over him.

    His mother and the Magdalen

    had gone to fetch clean linen

    to shroud his nakedness.

    I was alone with him.

    For the last time

    I kissed his mouth. My tongue

    found his, bitter with death.

    I licked his wound-

    the blood was harsh

    For the last time

    I laid my lips around the tip

    of that great cock, the instrument

    of our salvation, our eternal joy.

    The shaft, still throbbed, anointed

    with death's final ejaculation

    I knew he'd had it off with other men-

    with Herod's guards, with Pontius Pilate,

    With John the Baptist, with Paul of Tarsus

    with foxy Judas, a great kisser, with

    the rest of the Twelve, together and apart.

    He loved all men, body, soul and spirit. – even me.

    So now I took off my uniform, and, naked,

    lay together with him in his desolation,

    caressing every shadow of his cooling flesh,

    hugging him and trying to warm him back to life.

    Slowly the fire in his thighs went out,

    while I grew hotter with unearthly love.

    It was the only way I knew to speak our love's proud name,

    to tell him of my long devotion, my desire, my dread-

    something we had never talked about. My spear, wet with blood,

    his dear, broken body all open wounds,

    and in each wound his side, his back,

    his mouth – I came and came and came

    as if each coming was my last.

    And then the miracle possessed us.

    I felt him enter into me, and fiercely spend

    his spirit's finbal seed within my hole, my soul,

    pulse upon pulse, unto the ends of the earth-

    he crucified me with him into kingdom come.

    -This is the passionate and blissful crucifixion

    same-sex lovers suffer, patiently and gladly.

    They inflict these loving injuries of joy and grace

    one upon the other, till they dies of lust and pain

    within the horny paradise of one another's limbs,

    with one voice cry to heaven in a last divine release.

    Then lie long together, peacefully entwined, with hope

    of resurrection, as we did, on that green hill far away.

    But before we rose again, they came and took him from me.

    They knew not what we had done, but felt

    no shame or anger. Rather they were glad for us,

    and blessed us, as would he, who loved all men.

    And after three long, lonely days, like years,

    in which I roamed the gardens of my grief

    seeking for him, my one friend who had gone from me,

    he rose from sleep, at dawn, and showed himself to me before

    all others. And took me to him with

    the love that now forever dares to speak its name.



    http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-6519.html/
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    Sep 09, 2010 7:32 PM GMT
    one word... dumb

    really childish too... i mean what happened in 9/11 was awful but a stupid ignorant act like burning the koran is going to do what exactly to heal things... it just gives extremist muslims more ammunition to hate the U.S ,

    so ironic that a christian church like that promotes intolerance to islam
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    Sep 09, 2010 8:29 PM GMT
    Shows how ignorant most "christan" are when it comes to Islam. Maybe if he did some OT research he would find some interesting facts. Also, he should read the Koran, he'd be surprised.
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    Sep 09, 2010 8:57 PM GMT
    Agreed any burning of any relgious book is only going to outrage people.

    Also thing the consideration of a temple at the 9/11 site is also insensitive.

  • life_kiss

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    Sep 09, 2010 9:45 PM GMT
    icon_cry.gificon_cry.gifthis fucking crazy dumbass has no right to burn our book attack our religion every body has the right of choosing his religion as an opinion i respect the other religions and do not hate their people so every one should do the same shame on him shameicon_cry.gificon_cry.gificon_cry.gificon_cry.gif
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    Sep 09, 2010 11:31 PM GMT
    Nyah - Nyah ..... My religion is better than your religion harhar.gif

    It's odious that this is being done
    and shows the type of people we have here in this country
    and why religion of any kind creates this type of animosity
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    Sep 09, 2010 11:34 PM GMT
    is he too dumb to notice it's exactly the kind of attitudes Bin Laden was hoping for?
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    Sep 10, 2010 12:23 AM GMT
    Friendsrbetter saidI think it's shameful to show disrespect for ANY religion. Burning the Quaran is not only disrepectful, it shows ignorance and antiquated behavior.


    I show disrespect for Ultra Orthodox Jews. Those bitches are crazy!
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    Sep 10, 2010 1:39 AM GMT
    JAKEBENSON said
    Friendsrbetter saidI think it's shameful to show disrespect for ANY religion. Burning the Quaran is not only disrepectful, it shows ignorance and antiquated behavior.


    I show disrespect for Ultra Orthodox Jews. Those bitches are crazy!


    Ive never seen a good looking orthodox Jew.... icon_neutral.gif.

    Just sayin....
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    Sep 10, 2010 2:04 AM GMT
    Import said
    JAKEBENSON said
    Friendsrbetter saidI think it's shameful to show disrespect for ANY religion. Burning the Quaran is not only disrepectful, it shows ignorance and antiquated behavior.


    I show disrespect for Ultra Orthodox Jews. Those bitches are crazy!


    Ive never seen a good looking orthodox Jew.... icon_neutral.gif.

    Just sayin....


    There are some good looking ones... I swear I've seen them. Caspervann for one!

    The idea is actually generating debate... and it is getting a reaction, however negative that reaction is. Though he should also consider himself responsible for any damages or lives that are lost due to his actions.

    I think I'm more interested in the repercussions of his actions. Will there then be Bible Burnings on Christmas?
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    Sep 10, 2010 5:00 AM GMT
    Lostboy saidThe man is an idiot

    Agreed.

    Lostboy continuedand should be forcibly restrained.

    He has his right to be an idiot.

    Lostboy concludedIt will cost American lives if he is not.

    Why would that be?
    That he has a right to be an idiot doesn't give others a right to be violent.

    Anyhow, it's just paper & ink, not a thousand year old scroll or artifact (or something like the Bamiyan statues).

    How hypocritical is it for people who routinely burn our flag to be upset by the burning of their icon?
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    Sep 10, 2010 11:54 PM GMT
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    Lostboy saidThe man is an idiot

    Agreed.

    How hypocritical is it for people who routinely burn our flag to be upset by the burning of their icon?


    ^ He has a point there.
  • Mepark

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    Sep 11, 2010 12:25 AM GMT
    maine1057 saidShows how ignorant most "christan" are when it comes to Islam. Maybe if he did some OT research he would find some interesting facts. Also, he should read the Koran, he'd be surprised.


    That's the funniest quote I've read all year. There's rarely any good in or about the Koran. I don't know what you've been reading. I've been shaking my head for the past few days as GAY people here have been defending a religion so sick, but at the same time would jump to the moment to attack Christianity for it's imperfect history and message. Let me remind you that it's not Christianity that is stuck in the stone age. It's not Christianity that calls for your hanging and stoning, and it's not Christianity that is instituting laws in the constitutions of countries.

    With that being said, that so-called holy book still shouldn't be burned, but ONLY because I know the insanity of those people and because I fear for our troops. THAT'S ALL. Otherwise, hand me a stack and a match and gas.

    ^^^ Politically incorrect of me? TOUGH!!!

  • rioriz

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    Sep 11, 2010 12:26 AM GMT
    No he shouldn't but there is no law stopping him so he is allowed to if he wants.
    It is the media as usual getting everyone riled up. This man and his 33 other members could have burned the book in total seclusion with no one giving a damn until someone decided to alert the media and now it is a massacre of monumental proportions.
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    Sep 11, 2010 1:23 AM GMT
    What if he burns a book with blank pages? With the cover of a Qur'an? Or the TV crews don't turn up to film it? or People refuse to watch it when it is aired?

    I'm actually against the burning of Any Book.
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    Sep 11, 2010 8:54 AM GMT
    BlueDemon saidWhat if he burns a book with blank pages?

    You do realize you may have just sparked the abortion debate of the next century:
    Is it a book before there is anything written on its pages or only after it is "born"?
    Can you abort, I mean burn, a book only if less than 1/3rd of the pages have been written...?
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    Sep 11, 2010 11:21 AM GMT
    sxydrkhair saidIt is ashamed to see a minster want to burn a Qur'an. Just few days after 9/11 former President Bush said, "the face of terror is not the true faith of Islam. ... Islam is peace. These terrorists don't represent peace. They represent evil and war."


    Too many liberals I know would say that anything Bush has or had to say isn't worth the neural energy to process, given that he (Bush) was such a nasty, evil little man.

    Not sure I agree entirely with this particular gem either: At least in this century, Christians don't cheer in the streets when a few church members fly a jetliner into a skyscraper to kill upwards of 3,000 people in a stroke, nor try to take out the national defense ministry of a given country (in our case, the Pentagon) to say nothing of where Flight 93 was targeted.

    As horrific as it was to see the Towers come down... I'll not forget the sight of seeing crowds of people in Muslim countries cheering the fall of those same towers with their usual taunts of death and destruction against our Republic.

    I have serious doubts that "Islam is a religion of peace". Maybe in a few more centuries if it ever experiences a reformation the way Christendom did, but not at present.