The Tillman Story - A Documentary That Every American Should See

  • metta

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    Sep 12, 2010 2:21 AM GMT


    I just went and saw The Tillman Story today. Very good documentary that I wish every American would go see. I think that it may open a lot of minds if everyone was to see it.



    http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/the_tillman_story/


    http://www.tillmanstory.com/


  • safety43_mma1...

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    Sep 12, 2010 7:56 AM GMT
    this is the defintion of a real man. he gave up millions to be with his brother. i must say though he was one heck of a safety u talking a hitter. blew mymind to see him play. it sucks what happened and he will be missed greatly in the football world and the nfl and by his family.
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    Sep 12, 2010 8:10 AM GMT
    FYI: The General that covered up the whole incident was none other than the recently-fired Stanley McChrystal. In between Tillman and being the commander of the AfPak war theatre, McChrystal was the head of the Joint Special Operations Command, a top secret ultra-elite special forces unit, which during the Bush years operated (according to Seymour Hersh of the New Yorker) as Cheney's secret global assassination squad.

    Good guy!
  • metta

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    Sep 12, 2010 8:11 AM GMT
    I don't trust Rumsfeld either
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    Sep 12, 2010 9:01 PM GMT
    i don't need to see it, although I am pretty sure its a good Documentary, If you could read my mind what a tale my thoughts could tell..

    For the most part is has been censored where I live, and they say they don't censor in the western world.
  • Joeyphx444

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    Sep 12, 2010 9:28 PM GMT
    I don't get what makes his death so different from the thousands of other soldiers? I know it was a big deal and what not over the cause of his death. It is a big deal here cuz he went to ASU. But I still don't understand why one soldier is so idolized when there are others with the same or even more riveting stories
  • metta

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    Sep 12, 2010 10:13 PM GMT
    ^
    go see it and you will find out. I'm not really into giving away details about it, especially for people that are going to see it. It is too bad that the networks will probably never be willing to show it.
  • Sparkycat

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    Sep 12, 2010 10:32 PM GMT
    I look forward to seeing this, and just saved it to my Netflix queue. They don't have it available yet, but you can queue so you get it as soon as it's on Netflix.
  • rnch

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    Sep 12, 2010 10:34 PM GMT
    metta8 saidI don't trust Rumsfeld either


    who does? icon_rolleyes.gif
  • MrPapo317

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    Sep 12, 2010 10:38 PM GMT
    It doesn't start here in Indianapolis until Sept 24
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    Sep 12, 2010 10:51 PM GMT
    metta8 said^
    go see it and you will find out. I'm not really into giving away details about it, especially for people that are going to see it. It is too bad that the networks will probably never be willing to show it.


    Yea I saw and it is good, and I remember hearing about it when I was on leave. They talked a lot about this on FOX News (which I'm sure you hate lol). They also talked with the creator of the film, and showed clips of it, very awesome interview and the guy who worked on the film was extremely respectful and did an awesome job.

    It was definitely horrible, what was done to him no excuse for it at all. I have a huge respect for guys like him, and he was a good guy and definitely a hell of a lot of what a man should be.
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    Sep 12, 2010 11:00 PM GMT
    Remember Jessica Lynch... the myth of the girl who went down shooting and had to be rescued in a daring operation by American soldiers to retrieve Jessica from the "location of danger" in an Iraqi hospital.

    Turns out... the entire thing was a propaganda operation by the Pentagon.



    "The Truth About Jessica" - the Guardian
    - the construction of the myth, the role of Hollywood, the reality of the "location of danger" (in that, there was none)
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2003/may/15/iraq.usa2

    In 2003, Jessica accused the Pentagon of using her for "propaganda purposes":
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/3251731.stm



    Lynch was used for propaganda, just as Tillman was. The Pentagon has a long history of employing media propaganda, and especially in the past decade. The Pentagon even surmounted a media propaganda campaign in the lead-up to the Iraq war, where they used dozens of former generals and military officials to relay Pentagon talking points to the media, who were interviewing these men as "independent military analysts".

    "Behind TV Analysts, Pentagon’s Hidden Hand"
    The New York Times
    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/20/us/20generals.html

    Back in 2002, it was reported that the Pentagon was "toying with the idea of black propaganda" as "the military is thinking of planting propaganda and misleading stories in the international media." They even created a new department to handle war propaganda within the Pentagon, "with the Orwellian title of the Office of Strategic Influence."
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/1830500.stm

    Think this changed with the Obama administration? Think again. In the second month of Obama's presidency, the Pentagon announced that it would be stepping up its propaganda offensive against the American people - the "hearts and minds campaign." As the AP reported, "the Pentagon is steadily and dramatically increasing the money it spends to win what it calls "the human terrain" of world public opinion. In the process, it is raising concerns of spreading propaganda at home in violation of federal law." Further, propaganda aint cheap:

    "the money the military spends on winning hearts and minds at home and abroad has grown by 63 percent, to at least $4.7 billion this year, according to Department of Defense budgets and other documents. That's almost as much as it spent on body armor for troops in Iraq and Afghanistan between 2004 and 2006."
    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29040299/

    American and international audiences are subject to massive propaganda efforts by the military-industrial complex and its all-too-willing cohorts and compatriots in the highly centralized corporate media (some of which, like General Electric (owner of MSNBC and all its affiliates), also manufacture military hardware sold to the Pentagon for its war machine and imperial projects overseas. Not simply the Pentagon, but also the CIA play a large role in propaganda.
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    Sep 12, 2010 11:00 PM GMT

    It was recently reported on leaked CIA documents which reveal that the CIA planned a propaganda operation to rally support for the Afghan war throughout Europe, which "proposes concerns over women's rights, fear of terrorism as ways to boost support for Afghan war."
    http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2010/03/cia-paper-reveals-strategies-manipulate-european-opinion-afghanistan/

    But that's fine, that's what intelligence agencies should do, right? Manipulate public opinion, disseminate propaganda and lie in order to rally people for war; that's democracy, right?

    That is with nothing to say about the CIA's particular role in Afghanistan itself, what with covert agents strategically placed in powerful positions within the Afghan government, including Mohammed Zia Salehi, the chief of administration for the National Security Council (who was on CIA payroll for years), and not to mention, President Karzai's half-brother, also on CIA payroll, and who just happens to be the top drug baron in Afghanistan, a nation whose recent history is replete with the consistency of the CIA support of the Afghan opium trade (which barely existed prior to CIA operations in Afghanistan in 1979, and which the Taliban had virtually dismantled by 2001).
    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/26/world/asia/26kabul.html
    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/05/world/asia/05afghan.html?ref=ahmed_wali_karzai
    http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE67Q0YG20100827

    Never mind even the CIA's complicated and controversial relationship with the international murder-assassination-massacring mercenary company, Blackwater (now called Xe Services), whose founder and CEO Erik Prince, admitted in a Vanity Fair interview that he was a paid CIA agent while running Blackwater, and that they got extremely secret and controversial contracts from the CIA (and still do), which included plans for an assassination squad.
    http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2010/07/cia-blackwater-whos-playing-who/
    http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2010/01/blackwater-201001
    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/20/us/20intel.html
    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/11/us/politics/11blackwater.html?_r=2&hp

    This is the same company working alongside the CIA, as well as the Pentagon's super-secret Joint Special Operations Command (JSOC) special forces (Cheney's former "assassination squad"), in running a "secret war in Pakistan" which is having the effect of destabilizing the country:
    http://www.thenation.com/article/secret-us-war-pakistan
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica/2010/feb/04/pakistan-us-secret-war
    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/middle_east/article7017929.ece

    Yeah, that's what democracy and freedom is about, right? Destroy democracy at home in order to spread destabilization, economic plundering and the drug trade abroad, that's 'democracy'; at least, that's how the western nations view and 'spread' democracy.
  • tokugawa

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    Sep 19, 2010 10:53 PM GMT
    MeOhMy said ... Yeah, that's what democracy and freedom is about, right? Destroy democracy at home in order to spread destabilization, economic plundering and the drug trade abroad, that's 'democracy'; at least, that's how the western nations view and 'spread' democracy.


    Some of the democratically elected governments overthrown by the CIA since 1945:

    1953 Guatemala (leader was a "leftist") aftereffects: a 30 year civil war, est. 100,000 deaths)

    1954 Iran (leader tried to nationalize oil industry) aftereffects: 25 years of dictatorship under the Shah, followed by religious rule by the Allotollas)

    1965 Indonesia (leftist leader replaced with a more pro-American leader, 500,000 civilians massacred during coup)

    1970 Chile (Nixon/Kissinger could not tolerate a democratically elected Marxist; 3,000 summary executions during coup, including two Americans murdered)

    Besides outright overthrow, American tax dollars flow freely to favored candidates/parties in just about every country in the world. In case dollars were not successful in electing the "right" people, the Gladio program planned for the violent overthrow of democratically elected governments in Europe. See:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Gladio