Well here's another reason to hate Microsoft's policies

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    Sep 12, 2010 10:22 PM GMT
    Article on Microsoft helping the Russian government confiscate computers belonging to companies that voice dissent against the government:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/12/world/europe/12raids.html?hp

    [EDIT] nevermind, Microsoft changed their mind!

    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/14/world/europe/14raid.html?_r=1&ref=world
  • Sparkycat

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    Sep 13, 2010 2:33 AM GMT
    It's time for a mac. Windows sucks anyway.
  • Vaughn

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    Sep 13, 2010 2:40 AM GMT
    Time to go Mac. icon_biggrin.gif
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    Sep 13, 2010 3:26 AM GMT
    Well...MAC is the new windows. Every upgrade on most of my MAC equipment is a downgrade and their excuse is "We're not wrong, you're wrong." But MAC is about now where PC was in 1998, it's giant and pompous but works for the most part. Unlike windows, which is becoming the friendster of computers.
  • BIG_N_TALL

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    Sep 13, 2010 3:39 AM GMT
    I suspect the Russians are not the only people getting assistance from IT corporations on controlling their respective populations. I imagine Iran, China, Indonesia, Saudi Arabai, etc. all get assistance on censoring dissent and "supicious activity." Hell, courtesy of the Patriot Act, I'd be shocked if it didn't happen in the USA... we just don't know we are being monitored in our day to day lives.
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    Sep 13, 2010 3:52 AM GMT
    I feel that there is a "in Soviet Russia" joke somewhere in this story. icon_lol.gif
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    Sep 13, 2010 7:57 AM GMT
    Reading that I am hardly surprised. If you ever get a chance to read IBM and the holocaust I would highly recommend it. The long and the short is that Germany would not have been able to function nearly as efficiently as it did without the punch card machines from IBM.

    If anybody believes that Microsoft will be (or is) any different than IBM in the 1930's they are living in a dream world... If Hitler were alive and wanted Microsoft to design a system for him to exterminate a race I have little doubt that for the right price that software would be designed...

    It really is an interesting read.
    http://www.ibmandtheholocaust.com/
  • BIG_N_TALL

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    Sep 13, 2010 8:00 AM GMT
    west77 saidReading that I am hardly surprised. If you ever get a chance to read IBM and the holocaust I would highly recommend it. The long and the short is that Germany would not have been able to function nearly as efficiently as it did without the punch card machines from IBM.

    If anybody believes that Microsoft will be (or is) any different than IBM in the 1930's they are living in a dream world... If Hitler were alive and wanted Microsoft to design a system for him to exterminate a race I have little doubt that for the right price that software would be designed...

    It really is an interesting read.
    http://www.ibmandtheholocaust.com/


    Not to even mention medical corporations like the Bayer Corporation who profited from experimentation on Holocaust victims. Don't forget those dastardly financial services companies that benefited from doing "business" with the Nazis. No sense of ethics or morality... just $$$
  • MarvelClimber

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    Sep 13, 2010 8:27 AM GMT
    I read this article and I don't understand your rational for bashing Microsoft. All companies have to comply with the laws of the nation they are doing business in. Microsoft's pricing for nonprofit, advocacy, and education groups is so low it's really inconceivable that an established group could not afford the necessary products to remain compliant. That was not in question anyway. The truth of the article revolves around the stifling of ideas inconsistent with a government, not about software piracy.

    How we love to see the mighty fall.
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    Sep 13, 2010 8:58 AM GMT
    As if Apple, Google and 100 other corporate giants are any better?

    Did you actually read the friggin' story? No? I didn't think so.

    Ridiculous OP.
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    Sep 13, 2010 11:30 AM GMT
    While you are right about other corporations being no better and that Microsoft prices their products better for not for profits etc... the article makes it clear that even purchasing a legal copy does not prevent the government in Russia from raiding your office and saying that they are looking for pirated versions. After that Microsoft could verify that the copies are legal and go against the governments wishes but chooses to side with them instead.

    From the article (yeah, I realize that it is biased being as it is quoting somebody whose computer was seized...)

    "Mr. Kurt-Adzhiyev, the editor of both newspapers, said Microsoft’s lawyer in the case regularly appeared at court hearings to back prosecutors and the police. He said the lawyer testified that seized computers contained pirated software even though it was later shown that the computers had never been examined.

    “Microsoft says publicly that they have no claims in these cases, but then their lawyers come into the court and say whatever the police want them to say,” Mr. Kurt-Adzhiyev said."

    Even Microsoft has now said that they need to have better oversight of their Russian lawyers. Too bad it took being noticed and mentioned in the Times to bring any action- but at least they may provide some direction and oversight now... From the first page
    "After The New York Times presented its reporting to senior Microsoft officials, the company responded that it planned to tighten its oversight of its legal affairs in Russia. Human rights organizations in Russia have been pressing Microsoft to do so for months. "
  • CSPYNY

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    Sep 13, 2010 11:43 AM GMT
    xrichx saidI feel that there is a "in Soviet Russia" joke somewhere in this story. icon_lol.gif


    In Soviet Russia, computer software run you. icon_eek.gif


    I was going to say something to one of the above comments about Mac, but it'll start a windows vs mac flamewar.


    I'll stick with my Linux icon_wink.gif Because, I know, whatever I do, I can't break any copyright laws with it! I can copy the CD, install as much as I want, etc. It doesn't "break" like Windows (granted, it's never really happened to me) and doesn't have an absurd buy-in like Mac.
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    Sep 14, 2010 10:47 AM GMT
    slickguystyle saidI read this article and I don't understand your rational for bashing Microsoft. All companies have to comply with the laws of the nation they are doing business in. Microsoft's pricing for nonprofit, advocacy, and education groups is so low it's really inconceivable that an established group could not afford the necessary products to remain compliant. That was not in question anyway. The truth of the article revolves around the stifling of ideas inconsistent with a government, not about software piracy.


    Well, obviously there's an abundance of reasons to bash Microsoft, and obviously the issue was addressed so publicly that Microsoft has rescinded COMPLETELY, openly bashing what the Russian government does.
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    Sep 14, 2010 10:56 AM GMT
    Macs are the question not the answer
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    Sep 21, 2010 4:07 PM GMT

    RIM was stuck in a similar situation with Saudi Arabia, India and i forgot where else. I haven't followed up how they got out of their own little catch22 .

    i bet 95% of Russians are on illegal versions of MS Win. icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Sep 21, 2010 6:12 PM GMT
    Yeah, RIM rolled over.

    From http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSLDE6791UF20100810
    "As a result, the firm has agreed to offer Saudi Arabia's interior ministry and intelligence services the codes to all Saudi BlackBerry users, said the source, declining to be identified."

    I don't know if they have struck the same deal with India yet, but you can bet every country (including the US and Canada) will want those codes under the premise of preventing terrorism (seems to be a great reason for everything in todays world.) That was the reason given by the UAE and others for wanting access to those messages.
  • Sk8Tex

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    Sep 21, 2010 6:51 PM GMT
    Didn't China force Google into a similiar situation? Not necessarily the confiscation of peoples PCs but filtered information based on what their govt wants them to be able to see.
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    Sep 21, 2010 6:59 PM GMT
    JAKEBENSON saidWell...MAC is the new windows. Every upgrade on most of my MAC equipment is a downgrade and their excuse is "We're not wrong, you're wrong." But MAC is about now where PC was in 1998, it's giant and pompous but works for the most part. Unlike windows, which is becoming the friendster of computers.


    Actually, the MAC was using a graphical interfaces a number of years before M$. Nowadays, MAC runs on top of UNIX (BSD, and NEXT, along with Hurd) on top of X (invented by MIT in 1984 and developed on the MAC in 1984). That was based upon research at Xerox Parc back in mid to late 70's. MAC has a true client-server windowing system as well as a TRUE multi-tasking, multi-threaded, multi-user, multi-processor operating system that STILL isn't fully integrated into Windoze. MAC, is, by nearly any technical standard, superior to Windoze.

    You'll want to read up, JakeBenson, so that you're not so badly informed as to history.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_graphical_user_interface#Xerox_PARC

    Much of the source code for the MAC is open, so, many eyes are upon it and it is constantly being improved.

    As a point of fact, Microsoft made a very LATE entry, with a very problematic product, into the GUI world.

    The guts of the Windows NT technology came from IBM, and NOT M$.
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    Sep 22, 2010 3:14 AM GMT
    One could get the impression that Microsoft is less of a technology innovator as it is a technology appropriator and/or a technology re-marketer. icon_biggrin.gif
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    Sep 22, 2010 3:25 AM GMT
    Yep.
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    Sep 22, 2010 3:27 AM GMT
    And, the original poster thinks that the NSA, the DIA, the CIA, and INTERPOL haven't visited with Microsoft? Get real.

    Go talk with someone who provides internet services or works for a CLEC. You should assume NOTHING is private.
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    Sep 22, 2010 3:28 AM GMT
    well in Canada the RCMP and CSIS let slip that they do "sniff" the internet for any number of common words and phrases that may denote terrorism, in anything from IM's and Emails to websites and search engine results. They then log the IP address and open up a case file on those people until they are sure they are not in fact terrorists. In any case, insert a new adjective (seperatist, leftisit, rightist, facist, communist, revolutionary, democratic supporter, rights advocate) and you can see how any country is capable of silently searching out the people it wishes to persecute or prosecute for various activities.
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    Sep 22, 2010 3:30 AM GMT
    There's packet sniffing / inspection going on all over the place, and ATT wants to be the folks to do it for Big Brother and have been actively lobbying Congress and The Senate for the job. That's no secret.
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    Sep 22, 2010 3:48 AM GMT
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    Sep 22, 2010 4:14 AM GMT
    alphatrigger saidOne could get the impression that Microsoft is less of a technology innovator as it is a technology appropriator and/or a technology re-marketer. icon_biggrin.gif

    That pretty much describes most US "technology" companies these days.