FL Governor Charlie Crist To Announce Sweeping Endorsement of LGBT Rights

  • metta

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    Sep 13, 2010 6:44 AM GMT
    FL Governor Charlie Crist To Announce Sweeping Endorsement of LGBT Rights

    http://www.lgbtqnation.com/2010/09/fl-governor-charlie-crist-to-announce-sweeping-endorsement-of-lgbt-rights/
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    Sep 13, 2010 6:55 AM GMT
    I am so very happy that he is coming out in support of our rights.

    What the fucking fuck. This is the same Crist that fully endorsed Florida's Defense of Marriage Act in 2006. It is such an obvious ploy to distance himself from Rubio.
  • BardBear

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    Sep 13, 2010 9:45 AM GMT
    The man is an idiot and a liar. So, well, good luck to him.

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  • GQjock

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    Sep 13, 2010 11:16 AM GMT
    Funny how fair the "Wink-Wink" Non-gay Charlie gets once he's free of the Republican shackles
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    Sep 13, 2010 11:28 AM GMT
    This is Florida we are talking about...used to be one of THE most conservative slam dunk RED states. For a sitting Governor to put this out is a big deal.


    As Governor, Charlie Crist spearheaded and put through legislation for a school anti bullying bill that included gender identification. Florida now has the strongest anti bullying bill in the country. Teachers, principals and administrators are personally held responsible if they are informed of gender identification bullying....I worked with Equality Florida to get this legislation passed and hopefully it will prevent suicides, murder and the marginalization of gay bashing.

    http://bullypolice.org/fl_law.html


    PS, I've met the Gov at a breakfast in Tallahassee and he stared at my crotch the whole time...granted I'm taller than he is but my confirmed gaydar says.. YUP

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    Sep 13, 2010 11:32 AM GMT
    PS about his marriage to the Halloween Costume mogullette:

    It was Crist's fifth engagement and second marriage. Crist's first wife, Amanda Morrow, has come out as a lesbian and now lives with a female partner.

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    Sep 13, 2010 11:37 AM GMT
    Crist knows that he won't get the Teabagger and conservative voters, and Meek will get the Democrats and liberals. So Crist's trying to attract moderates from both parties, plus Independents.

    But Crist understands perfectly well that anything he does now as governor is purely symbolic. The state legislature is staying in Republican hands, and another Republican will become Governor, one who is strongly anti-gay.

    So in a few months time the gay position in Florida will deteriorate, not improve. And deteriorate considerably in the US Congress, too, where Republicans will be pushing again for an anti-gay marriage US Constitutional amendment, as called for by their party platform. Along with reinforcement of DOMA.

    Beware of any Republican calls for repeal of DADT, however. What's forgotten is that DADT did not change the basic US law, Title 10, and the UCMJ (Uniform Code of Military Justice), which continue to make homosexuality prohibited in the Armed Forces. All DADT did was tell the military that they couldn't directly ask the question, and service members weren't obliged to admit they are gay.

    But removing DADT alone, without amending Title 10, brings us back to actively rooting out gays from the military. Watch out for what Republicans leaders say they will do, because you can be guaranteed it is intended to harm gays.
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    Sep 13, 2010 3:05 PM GMT
    Art_Deco saidCrist knows that he won't get the Teabagger and conservative voters, and Meek will get the Democrats and liberals. So Crist's trying to attract moderates from both parties, plus Independents.

    But Crist understands perfectly well that anything he does now as governor is purely symbolic. The state legislature is staying in Republican hands, and another Republican will become Governor, one who is strongly anti-gay.

    So in a few months time the gay position in Florida will deteriorate, not improve. And deteriorate considerably in the US Congress, too, where Republicans will be pushing again for an anti-gay marriage US Constitutional amendment, as called for by their party platform. Along with reinforcement of DOMA.

    Beware of any Republican calls for repeal of DADT, however. What's forgotten is that DADT did not change the basic US law, Title 10, and the UCMJ (Uniform Code of Military Justice), which continue to make homosexuality prohibited in the Armed Forces. All DADT did was tell the military that they couldn't directly ask the question, and service members weren't obliged to admit they are gay.

    But removing DADT alone, without amending Title 10, brings us back to actively rooting out gays from the military. Watch out for what Republicans leaders say they will do, because you can be guaranteed it is intended to harm gays.


    This *DOES* have some interesting ramifications.

    I was in the USAF prior to the enactment of DADT, and I remember the witch-hunt type atmosphere some local commanders could (and did) engage in to root out suspected gays.

    I should hope that this won't be the case... but should DADT be repealed, there will need to be amendments to the UCMJ (likely to come downline from the DoD/SecDef and ultimately by presidential executive order) to ensure true equality for LGBT servicemembers.

    Repealing DADT with no additional protective action would restore the truly anti-gay military climate pre-1992.

    Also: I know most folks here don't carry much empathy or concern for the Tea Party movement... but seeing learned and respectable folks here referring to them as "teabaggers" (which also refers to a sexual act considered quite lewd in polite company) really cheapens and coarsens the discussion.

    Just my 2 cents. ;)
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    Sep 13, 2010 3:23 PM GMT
    alphatrigger saidRepealing DADT with no additional protective action would restore the truly anti-gay military climate pre-1992.

    Also: I know most folks here don't carry much empathy or concern for the Tea Party movement... but seeing learned and respectable folks here referring to them as "teabaggers" (which also refers to a sexual act considered quite lewd in polite company) really cheapens and coarsens the discussion.

    Just my 2 cents. ;)

    It's encouraging to get feedback from a former US military service member, who understands what DADT is all about, and what harm to gays that repealing it alone will cause.

    As for the term "Teabaggers" and "Teabagging" I will repeat what I have posted on RJ before: they themselves used this term, before they were made aware of its double-entendre meaning. Well, too bad. These mostly anti-gay fanatics named themselves, and the name sticks. Once again, I post an hysterical piece from Rachel Maddow on this topic, back in April, 2009, with images of the Teabaggers themselves carrying these signs saying they would "Teabag" the White House, among other insanity:

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    Art_Deco saidCrist knows that he won't get the Teabagger and conservative voters, and Meek will get the Democrats and liberals. So Crist's trying to attract moderates from both parties, plus Independents.

    But Crist understands perfectly well that anything he does now as governor is purely symbolic. The state legislature is staying in Republican hands, and another Republican will become Governor, one who is strongly anti-gay.

    So in a few months time the gay position in Florida will deteriorate, not improve. And deteriorate considerably in the US Congress, too, where Republicans will be pushing again for an anti-gay marriage US Constitutional amendment, as called for by their party platform. Along with reinforcement of DOMA.

    Beware of any Republican calls for repeal of DADT, however. What's forgotten is that DADT did not change the basic US law, Title 10, and the UCMJ (Uniform Code of Military Justice), which continue to make homosexuality prohibited in the Armed Forces. All DADT did was tell the military that they couldn't directly ask the question, and service members weren't obliged to admit they are gay.

    But removing DADT alone, without amending Title 10, brings us back to actively rooting out gays from the military. Watch out for what Republicans leaders say they will do, because you can be guaranteed it is intended to harm gays.


    This *DOES* have some interesting ramifications.

    I was in the USAF prior to the enactment of DADT, and I remember the witch-hunt type atmosphere some local commanders could (and did) engage in to root out suspected gays.

    I should hope that this won't be the case... but should DADT be repealed, there will need to be amendments to the UCMJ (likely to come downline from the DoD/SecDef and ultimately by presidential executive order) to ensure true equality for LGBT servicemembers.

    Repealing DADT with no additional protective action would restore the truly anti-gay military climate pre-1992.

    Also: I know most folks here don't carry much empathy or concern for the Tea Party movement... but seeing learned and respectable folks here referring to them as "teabaggers" (which also refers to a sexual act considered quite lewd in polite company) really cheapens and coarsens the discussion.

    Just my 2 cents. ;)

    You are correct about the use of the term "tea bagger". Just because it was used by a few folks in the large, diverse group of tea party supporters, doesn't condone it's use. Those who continue to use it generally have no interest in looking at the movement with any objectivity, and, in my opinion, are not credible.
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    Sep 13, 2010 3:50 PM GMT
    socalfitness saidYou are correct about the use of the term "tea bagger". Just because it was used by a few folks in the large, diverse group of tea party supporters, doesn't condone it's use. Those who continue to use it generally have no interest in looking at the movement with any objectivity, and, in my opinion, are not credible.

    Ya know, when reputable news sources report something concerning themselves or their corporate ownership, they give a disclaimer. Where is yours?

    Shouldn't you tell us that you are a Teabagger supporter, a right-winger, and a Republican cheerleader? Not that you really need to, your posts have already told us.

    Even so, when trying to appear judicious, you should really reveal your partisan & fanatical political loyalties. Just to be honest with everyone, OK? For those here who don't read your extreme right-wing stuff elsewhere on this site.
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    Sep 13, 2010 4:01 PM GMT
    I hope it works for him. Then other Dems might see that we are a significant enough vote to swing an election and start taking our support more seriously.
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    Sep 13, 2010 4:02 PM GMT
    I agree with the post above that see the danger of repealing DADT and not updateing the policy to protect gays in the military. This is something I have been trying to get a lot of my friends to realize when saying we should not rush to an appeal but really make sure all the pieces are in place to help with possible conflict there after.

    As for the teabagger stuff, well any word if used in a certain way can be derogatory even if it is used by its own people. Here in African Americans using the N word or variations. Using it themselves may not be dergoatory but if others outside of the community use it is is generally derogatory. Really does anyone no good to use the terms at all.
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    Sep 13, 2010 4:11 PM GMT
    Caslon15000 saidI hope it works for him. Then other Dems might see that we are a significant enough vote to swing an election and start taking our support more seriously.

    Pleasant daydreaming, but not reality. Crist cannot win, but what he will do with this ploy is draw votes away from Meek, the Democratic and gay-friendly candidate. Ensuring that a rabid anti-gay Republican will become the next US Senator from Florida.

    Sometimes we gays really need to study the harsh realities of political strategy & tactics to achieve our goals, and stop thinking like peeved queens. icon_razz.gif
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    socalfitness saidYou are correct about the use of the term "tea bagger". Just because it was used by a few folks in the large, diverse group of tea party supporters, doesn't condone it's use. Those who continue to use it generally have no interest in looking at the movement with any objectivity, and, in my opinion, are not credible.

    Ya know, when reputable news sources report something concerning themselves or their corporate ownership, they give a disclaimer. Where is yours?

    Shouldn't you tell us that you are a Teabagger supporter, a right-winger, and a Republican cheerleader? Not that you really need to, your posts have already told us.

    Even so, when trying to appear judicious, you should really reveal your partisan & fanatical political loyalties. Just to be honest with everyone, OK? For those here who don't read your extreme right-wing stuff elsewhere on this site.

    It is true I generally, but not always, use moderate language because not only is that my style, but also I have much more success being a good ambassador of my positions. In that regard, I have helped many in my area "see the light".

    I am generally conservative in that I believe in limited government, creating and maintaining incentive for business success in the private sector, and helping those who truly need help without encouraging dependence on the Government. In the past, even within the past few years, I have voted Democratic in California gubernatorial, US House, and US Senate races when I thought the Democratic candidate either had better experience or better character. In November, though, no Democrat will get my vote.

    Most people of varying political positions who know me do not consider me a radical or a fanatic, as do you. Your view results from the foxhole you are sitting in, which is completely radical to the left, in my opinion.
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    Sep 13, 2010 6:15 PM GMT
    I'll admit my partiality to *some* of the Tea Party planks, namely increased governmental accountability/transparency and fiscal responsibility.

    From what I've seen, while there is a social conservative component to the Tea Party membership, it is really not much of a focus - not nearly as much as getting the spending/taxing sorted out for the best.

    Offsetting those social conservatives are plenty of socially liberal libertarian-minded members (which is where I would more or less place myself).
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    Sep 13, 2010 6:49 PM GMT
    But wait.. wasn't this discussion about Charlie Crist??? whose first wife looks like she's ready for the LPGA and his second wife looks like Susan Lucci??
    c.mon this be a gay site.....

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    socalfitness saidMost people of varying political positions who know me do not consider me a radical or a fanatic, as do you. Your view results from the foxhole you are sitting in, which is completely radical to the left, in my opinion.

    But I do know you, from your online posts, and I've seen you take the most radical anti-gay Republican positions, time & again, and support those here who bash gay interests. You cannot flee from your past.

    Interesting you use the foxhole analogy. It's one I often use myself, to describe those who have a narrow, short-term focus, versus those who have a broader view of the "battlefield."

    It is precisely that broad battlefield view of which I speak, and that very few gays can comprehend. Their own focus & interests are too often short-sighted, near-term & selfish. It's our Achilles heel. Gays with a true vision of where we are headed are very rare.

    Given your past posts here, which I have read in detail, I doubt you have any vision, but that provided by Republican dogma. You have neither depth of knowledge of subject matter, nor insightful understanding.

    What you can do deftly is parrot right-wing propaganda. Which you do reasonably well, and with some degree of coherence, which is a rarity among your allies here. Nevertheless, you remain an anti-gay right-wing hack here, what you have been from the first, and don't expect to get a pass for it.
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    socalfitness saidMost people of varying political positions who know me do not consider me a radical or a fanatic, as do you. Your view results from the foxhole you are sitting in, which is completely radical to the left, in my opinion.

    But I do know you, from your online posts, and I've seen you take the most radical anti-gay Republican positions, time & again, and support those here who bash gay interests. You cannot flee from your past.

    Interesting you use the foxhole analogy. It's one I often use myself, to describe those who have a narrow, short-term focus, versus those who have a broader view of the "battlefield."

    It is precisely that broad battlefield view of which I speak, and that very few gays can comprehend. Their own focus & interests are too often short-sighted, near-term & selfish. It's our Achilles heel. Gays with a true vision of where we are headed are very rare.

    Given your past posts here, which I have read in detail, I doubt you have any vision, but that provided by Republican dogma. You have neither depth of knowledge of subject matter, nor insightful understanding.

    What you can do deftly is parrot right-wing propaganda. Which you do reasonably well, and with some degree of coherence, which is a rarity among your allies here. Nevertheless, you remain an anti-gay right-wing hack here, what you have been from the first, and don't expect to get a pass for it.

    You are completely deluded by your ideology. Your focus is extremely narrow, and your thinking is unsound. By the way, my use of the term, foxhole, was quite deliberate.
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    socalfitness said
    Art_Deco said
    socalfitness saidMost people of varying political positions who know me do not consider me a radical or a fanatic, as do you. Your view results from the foxhole you are sitting in, which is completely radical to the left, in my opinion.

    But I do know you, from your online posts, and I've seen you take the most radical anti-gay Republican positions, time & again, and support those here who bash gay interests. You cannot flee from your past.

    Interesting you use the foxhole analogy. It's one I often use myself, to describe those who have a narrow, short-term focus, versus those who have a broader view of the "battlefield."

    It is precisely that broad battlefield view of which I speak, and that very few gays can comprehend. Their own focus & interests are too often short-sighted, near-term & selfish. It's our Achilles heel. Gays with a true vision of where we are headed are very rare.

    Given your past posts here, which I have read in detail, I doubt you have any vision, but that provided by Republican dogma. You have neither depth of knowledge of subject matter, nor insightful understanding.

    What you can do deftly is parrot right-wing propaganda. Which you do reasonably well, and with some degree of coherence, which is a rarity among your allies here. Nevertheless, you remain an anti-gay right-wing hack here, what you have been from the first, and don't expect to get a pass for it.

    You are completely deluded by your ideology. Your focus is extremely narrow, and from what I can tell, your thinking is defective. By the way, my use of the term, foxhole, was quite deliberate.





    I would rather go to a Tea Party Meeting than go to a Pride Event.
    I would rather go to a business event than a gay rights event.
    I would rather invest my own money than give it to the government.
    I would rather stay at home and watch football than go shopping.
    When it comes to fashion I dont know the difference between red and blue.
    I would rather go fishing than go to a gay bar.
    but I would rather sleep with guys than girls.

    Does this mean I dont like gays??







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    Sep 13, 2010 8:14 PM GMT
    socalfitness saidYou are completely deluded by your ideology. Your focus is extremely narrow, and from what I can tell, your thinking is defective. By the way, my use of the term, foxhole, was quite deliberate.

    Well, time will tell which of us is correct. We all know Crist is a closet case, and also that he will lose the US Senate race. This move is pure cynical desperation. If he wanted to advance gay rights, he had years to do it, and didn't.

    I might suggest that your own Republican ideology is the delusion here, but then we would be merely engaging in a mundane cat-fight. A "you said - I said" sort of thing.

    But your past anti-gay Republican sentiments you haven't addressed. Isn't that curious. You've called me deluded along with other slams, typical ad hominem Republican tactics, but you haven't specifically denied anything I said about you. I think my original supposition about you has been confirmed, yes?
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    Sep 13, 2010 8:17 PM GMT
    CHRISMA saidDoes this mean I dont like gays??

    It likely means you are a closet case who likes gays to suck your cock, while you vote for Republicans to oppress us. We see a lot of your kind. icon_razz.gif
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    socalfitness saidYou are correct about the use of the term "tea bagger". Just because it was used by a few folks in the large, diverse group of tea party supporters, doesn't condone it's use. Those who continue to use it generally have no interest in looking at the movement with any objectivity, and, in my opinion, are not credible.

    Ya know, when reputable news sources report something concerning themselves or their corporate ownership, they give a disclaimer. Where is yours?

    Shouldn't you tell us that you are a Teabagger supporter, a right-winger, and a Republican cheerleader? Not that you really need to, your posts have already told us.

    Even so, when trying to appear judicious, you should really reveal your partisan & fanatical political loyalties. Just to be honest with everyone, OK? For those here who don't read your extreme right-wing stuff elsewhere on this site.


    Isn't it funny when conservatives like to use the "dont paint us with a broad brush" defense when it comes to them?

    Wish they would extend that ideology to everyone else.
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    socalfitness saidYou are completely deluded by your ideology. Your focus is extremely narrow, and from what I can tell, your thinking is defective. By the way, my use of the term, foxhole, was quite deliberate.

    Well, time will tell which of us is correct. We all know Crist is a closet case, and also that he will lose the US Senate race. This move is pure cynical desperation. If he wanted to advance gay rights, he had years to do it, and didn't.

    I might suggest that your own Republican ideology is the delusion here, but then we would be merely engaging in a mundane cat-fight. A "you said - I said" sort of thing.

    But your past anti-gay Republican sentiments you haven't addressed. Isn't that curious. You've called me deluded along with other slams, typical ad hominem Republican tactics, but you haven't specifically denied anything I said about you. I think my original supposition about you has been confirmed, yes?


    Who cares if Crist is a closet case. While I dont care for Charlie Crist I will defend him on this issue, his sexuality is his own business.
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    CHRISMA saidWho cares if Crist is a closet case. While I dont care for Charlie Crist I will defend him on this issue, his sexuality is his own business.

    Being a closet case reflects on the truthfulness and honesty of the man. Regarding this specific issue of his sudden reversal of his previous positions regarding GLBT rights, please reference my earlier post above.

    The man is desperately grasping for straws as his poll numbers plummet. Are you suggesting gays in Florida should rally to his side, when we already have a pro-gay candidate in Democrat Kendrick Meek?