Governor Christie pwns Teachers' Union

  • solak

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    Sep 17, 2010 8:15 PM GMT
    holy crap, most teachers don't contribute ANYTHING to their expensive family health plans? is that normal? no wonder property and school taxes are #1 in NJ.. dayamnn icon_eek.gif

    unions be pimpin taxpayers hard,.. pimp on playa

    'but it's for the kid$$$$' icon_cool.gif


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    Sep 17, 2010 8:33 PM GMT
    But what's a teachers salary??? Pittance, isn't it?
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    Sep 17, 2010 8:45 PM GMT
    I love how if kids are failing its the teachers fault. Why is that?

    Because Americans are to chickenshit to take an objective view of their own lives, maybe if parents took a more active role in monitoring how their kid is doing or maybe just tried to be a parent kids wouldn't bee failing a the rate they are.

    More republican pandering to Americans unable to think like a human being.
  • solak

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    Sep 17, 2010 8:56 PM GMT
    Caslon15000 saidBut what's a teachers salary??? Pittance, isn't it?


    they'd like us to think so.. once you add in the cost of benefits/pensions/vacation packages it's not a bad gig..

    from another post 67 teachers in just one school district made over $100,000 BEFORE costs of health plans, pensions, benefits..

    -from nj.gov

    http://www.state.nj.us/education/finance/fp/ufb/salaries09.xls

    Superintendent in that school made well over $250,000 taking account costs of benefits, etc

    that school district was West New York, NJ ranked waaaayy in the bottom..

    im sure some Teachers make $55k...

    as do some Real Estate Agents, Marketing Associates, Nurses, Engineers, Interior Designers, Architects, Accountants, Media Buyers, Paralegals, Computer Programmers/Designers, etc, etc..

    ..just the latter group doesn't have the luxury of exploiting the system to get free benefits and usually contribute to their own Health Plans.

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    Sep 17, 2010 9:05 PM GMT
    Caslon15000 saidBut what's a teachers salary??? Pittance, isn't it?


    According to the data on this website compared to average salary in the state, NJ teachers make the least. Spending on teacher benefits is about average with the rest of the county.

    Christie is, I suspect, playing politics. The Teacher's Union is one of the best organized and most powerful unions in any state and they most certainly work for Democratic candidates. Budget problems have just become an excuse to attack unions with members who work for the government.
  • solak

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    Sep 17, 2010 9:12 PM GMT
    per tax filings...

    Head Of NJ Teachers' Union Makes $550,000 A Year--2X As Much As The Governor And 10X The Average American


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    http://www.businessinsider.com/head-of-nj-teachers-union-got-paid-over-twice-as-much-as-the-governor-2010-9

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    Sep 17, 2010 9:19 PM GMT
    He made that money as Executive Director of the New Jersey Educator's Association, not as a teacher.
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    Sep 17, 2010 9:19 PM GMT
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    DoomsDayAlpaca saidI love how if kids are failing its the teachers fault. Why is that?

    Because Americans are to chickenshit to take an objective view of their own lives, maybe if parents took a more active role in monitoring how their kid is doing or maybe just tried to be a parent kids wouldn't bee failing a the rate they are.

    More republican pandering to Americans unable to think like a human being.

    Grammar and spelling errors in the above:

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    And instead of actually attacking my argument, you attack my inability to care about perfect grammar on a message board.

    How cute.
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    Sep 17, 2010 9:23 PM GMT
    MunchingZombie saidHe made that money as Executive Director of the New Jersey Educator's Association, not as a teacher.


    yes because the NJEA has no bearing with Teachers in NJ.. they live in separate universes..icon_eek.gif

    he didn't "MAKE" that money..it was GIVEN (or taken) to him by taxpayers of NJ, who pay the highest property/school taxes in the NATION.

    re: 'not a teacher' what does the title of this thread read? icon_cool.gif
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    Sep 17, 2010 9:33 PM GMT
    solak said
    MunchingZombie saidHe made that money as Executive Director of the New Jersey Educator's Association, not as a teacher.


    yes because the NJEA has no bearing with Teachers in NJ.. they live in separate universes..icon_eek.gif

    he didn't "MAKE" that money..it was GIVEN (or taken) to him by taxpayers of NJ, who pay the highest property/school taxes in the NATION.

    re: 'not a teacher' what does the title of this thread read? icon_cool.gif


    So... because teacher's pay dues to the union that pays Mr. Giordano he is thus funded by tax payers? Are you then aware that teacher's are spending money on apartments, TV's, sex toys, babies, hookers, and bacon with money payed to them BY THE TAX PAYERS ZOMG!

    Also, superintendents are not part of teacher's unions.
  • solak

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    Sep 17, 2010 9:39 PM GMT
    nice fluffing..nom nom

    so you think $550,000 earnings to a Public position is in line with this economic climate (or actually even in a normal economic climate)?

    especially when much of those earnings are indirectly derived from citizens who pay the highest property/school taxes..
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    Sep 17, 2010 9:48 PM GMT
    solak saidnice fluffing..nom nom

    so you think $550,000 earnings to a Public position is in line with economic climate (or actually even in a normal economic climate)?

    especially when much of those earnings are indirectly derived from citizens who pay the highest property/school taxes..


    I don't know solak. Let's first discuss what you do for employment and how much you make. It's easy for you to be a faceless multiple personality who slams those in public service. Until then, maybe you should have a nice tall glass of STFU.

    And if you're worried about how much people make, why not check in on all those bankers who got sweet deals from the NJ government to move their headquarters out of New York and into New Jersey. Certainly the NJ tax payers helped their profits. icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Sep 17, 2010 9:49 PM GMT
    It is not a public position.

    The problem here is that you have no idea what you are talking about. You started the discussion about the teacher's union and how grossly over paid they are (and failed to respond to numbers that show you are very wrong) and then went off on a superintendent, who is not part of the union, and the head of the NJEA who is not paid by tax payer money.

    There is a discussion to be had about problems with teacher's unions and ways states can save money in education without reducing quality of service or harming workers. But that is not the discussion you are having. Instead it is an uninformed teacher union bashing. Which is just stupid.
  • solak

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    Sep 17, 2010 9:54 PM GMT
    MunchingZombie saidIt is not a public position.

    The problem here is that you have no idea what you are talking about. You started the discussion about the teacher's union and how grossly over paid they are (and failed to respond to numbers that show you are very wrong) and then went off on a superintendent, who is not part of the union, and the head of the NJEA who is not paid by tax payer money.

    There is a discussion to be had about problems with teacher's unions and ways states can save money in education without reducing quality of service or harming workers. But that is not the discussion you are having. Instead it is an uninformed teacher union bashing. Which is just stupid.


    i asked one simple question, and you dance around it to no end..

    do you think the $550,000 earnings for a position which is essentially funded by taxpayers (by way of quarterly school and property tax bills to required teacher union contributions) is justified?

    the numbers above are derived from nj.gov

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    Sep 17, 2010 10:00 PM GMT
    solak saidi asked a simple question, and you dance around it to no end..

    do you think the $550,000 earnings for a position which is indirectly funded by taxpayers is justified?

    the number above are derived from nj.gov

    keep dancing, it's a simple question. icon_cool.gif


    No, that is a new question. Your old question was if I agreed that it is justifiable for public position that pays that much.

    Do I agree that there are private jobs that should pay that much? Yes. There are lots of people who make way more than that and I look forward to a day when they pay their fair share of taxes. It doesn't matter if they run a union, corporation or the Vatican.

    Your premise, however, that he is somehow a special case because he is "indirectly funded by taxpayers" is absolutely ridiculous. It is no longer public money. It is private money in the hands of private citizens and I could care less what they do with it so long as it is legal.

    Do you think it is wrong for private citizens to legally spend their money how they will?
  • creature

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    Sep 17, 2010 10:18 PM GMT
    Looks like MunchingZombie is pwning solak
  • solak

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    Sep 17, 2010 10:19 PM GMT
    MunchingZombie said
    Your premise, however, that he is somehow a special case because he is "indirectly funded by taxpayers" is absolutely ridiculous. It is no longer public money.


    Can I take a hit of what you're smoking?

    Of course it's no longer public money once in it's your pocket, you can buy hookers or a lamborghini, or a lmborghini filled with hookers, and then maybe if there's any money left, spend some on kids' education..

    .. but how was it derived? to pretend that there's no correlation between a ludicrous salary for a position re: 'Public Education' and taxpayers paying the highest school taxes in the nation, is equivalent to saying what happens to USA's economy won't affect what happens in China or Canada because it's a different country..
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    Sep 17, 2010 10:57 PM GMT
    solak saidCan I take a hit of what you're smoking?

    Of course it's no longer public money once in it's your pocket, you can buy hookers or a lamborghini, or a lmborghini filled with hookers, and then maybe if there's any money left, spend some on kids' education..

    .. but how was it derived? to pretend that there's no correlation between a ludicrous salary for a position re: 'Public Education' and taxpayers paying the highest school taxes in the nation, is equivalent to saying what happens to USA's economy won't affect what happens in China or Canada because it's a different country..


    ... So teachers need to be paid less because they are not spending it on what you like. Don't pretend that your point is that tax payers are suffering an undue burden in paying for indirectly Giordano's salary. Because you initially stated that it was a tax payer-funded job. Despite your obvert statements to the contrary you are arguing that a teacher's pay is never private and thus subject to scrutiny and your outrage. If teacher's want to pay their union leader $1 or $550k that is their issue and we no more have the right to regulate that than we do to regulate teacher's consumption of tomatoes.

    Which brings us back to the above point regarding NJ teacher's salary compared to median state income in all 50 states that showed NJ teacher's pay was the lowest of any state and benefits were about average. Will you address that or will you continue to claim by fiat that teacher's are overpaid?
  • solak

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    Sep 17, 2010 11:21 PM GMT
    the opening line was about most teachers not contributing ANYTHING to their Health Plans, when most private workers do..

    so who contributes to their Health Plans? Taxpayers, unless you can create money out of thin air (oh yes, we do on Federal level so why not)

    who said Teachers need to be paid less when I noted there are Teachers making 55k (as in other professions)?

    The video asked teachers to take a pay freeze (after year over year raises above inflation, despite others in the private sectors losing their jobs, and contributing 1.5% to their Health Plans, which many private workers have been contributing for themselves all the while).

    Did you even watch the video? Where does it say pay cut? Give a time marker, not more rhetoric.
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    Sep 17, 2010 11:25 PM GMT
    A wage freeze and reduction of benefits is a pay cut...
  • solak

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    Sep 17, 2010 11:27 PM GMT
    MunchingZombie saidA wage freeze and reduction of benefits is a pay cut...


    or a raise, in comparison to a private worker who actually takes a paycut or loses his job, and has to contribute for his own family benefits icon_cool.gif
  • GQjock

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    Sep 18, 2010 12:07 AM GMT
    Are you freakin' kidding me?

    That fat ass wants to go after teachers now
    Because him and his State Office couldn't give a Sh*t to send the right numbers to Washington to get the Federal Grant Money that lost New Jersey

    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 400 MILLION DOLLARS <<<<<<<<<<<<
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    Sep 18, 2010 12:09 AM GMT
    southbeach1500 said
    DoomsDayAlpaca saidAnd instead of actually attacking my argument, you attack my inability to care about perfect grammar on a message board.

    How cute.


    I find it ironic in a thread about the quality of American education that you had so many grammar and spelling mistakes.


    Not as ironic as this:

    southbeach1500 said
    Caslon15000 saidBut what's a teachers salary??? Pittance, isn't it?


    Nope.

    My sister and brother-in-law are both teachers in the public schools in NJ (middle school grades 6-icon_cool.gif.

    My sister earns $93K/yr and her husband earns $72K/yr.

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    solak said
    MunchingZombie saidA wage freeze and reduction of benefits is a pay cut...


    or a raise, in comparison to a private worker who actually takes a paycut or loses his job, and has to contribute for his own family benefits icon_cool.gif


    We're still waiting for you to tell us what it is you do for a living, where that salary comes from (is it private money? is it federal grants? do you still live in your mother's basement?), and how much you earn.

    If you feel the right to scrutinize what others earn, you should put yourself up to the same scrutiny.

    And, yes, Zombie owned you from beginning to end in this thread and demonstrated many times that you're not only angry, but either lying or woefully misinformed.
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    Sep 18, 2010 1:02 AM GMT
    If my memory serves right, SB, you're the one that suggests that costs of living have to be taken into account when determining whether one's wealthy or not (we'll stick with that instead of saying whether one's paid a lot or not, even though wealth = assets - liabilities).

    So, yes, you're right, the last chart says that NJ teachers are the 6th highest when it comes to salary.

    BUT...

    I'm reading the same charts, and the 1st chart says that NJ has the 5th most expensive housing (when compared to the average teacher salary of that state), and the 2nd chart says (I quote the site):
    "in New Jersey a teacher makes $32,000 less that the median household income for that state."
    which is the worst in the country (while in DC a teacher makes a little more than 10k more than the median household).

    So it's you that have not taken into account the rest of the charts, because Caslon's statement is correct:
    "According to the data on this website compared to average salary in the state, NJ teachers make the least. "

    And if 4 charts in one page is too much for you, in a separate pagehttp://www.teachersalaryinfo.com/cents-of-benefits-to-every-dollar-of-teacher-salary.html
    NJ is solidly in the middle when it comes to teachers' benefits.