Diet Soda Study..I don't believe it and here's why...

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    Sep 20, 2010 8:27 PM GMT
    I have not found the original data from the study but from what I can find...here is what they did...

    They found 622 people (25-64) who were considered normal weight at the time and then surveyed them 7 or 8 years later to see what happened.

    OK..so the stated correlation is that the people who gained the most weight were the ones who drank the diet soda.

    So...the headline is "DIET SODA MAKES YOU GAIN WEIGHT."

    BUT, (as near as I can find, and I doubt they could have) they did NOT control for the intake of diet soda...they let the subjects self select their use of diet soda.

    So lets see...are people who would choose to drink diet soda somehow different than those who would not....

    thinking....thinking,,,

    I bet people who are concerned about their weight drink diet soda...and further...that the more people are concerned about their weight, the more diet drinks they are likey to consume.

    And, by gosh, that's just what they found.

    The more overweight a person was, the more diet soda they drank...er....wait...the study stated it the other way...the more soda they drank...the more overweight they were.

    DRINKING DIET SODA MAKES YOU OVERWEIGHT!!!

    or was it

    PEOPLE WHO ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THEIR WIEGHT ARE MORE LIKELY TO BE OVERWEIGHT AND WILL DRINK MORE DIET SODA, BUT MANY WILL BECOME OVERWEIGHT ANYWAY

    or more shortly put..

    OVERWEIGHT PEOPLE DRINK MORE DIET SODA.

    That's the awful thing about correlation. It tells you nothing of the direction of the connection., just that two things seem to happen at the same time.

    For example...there is a correlation between ice cream sales and bicycle accidents. Solid as can be. Because both things happen in summer.

    Correlation is not causation, and in fairness most of the articles I read that have quotes from the University of Texas Health Science Center at San Antonio are careful to only say there is a correlation and only hypothesize about the causation.
    It was really the media that ran away with the story..and here it is now on RJ.
    and in my opinion, backed by a study that really found that people who become overweight will drink more diet soda in a somewhat losing battle to keep a normal weight.

    Now...if they would or could have ethically split the study group into two groups and made one drink reg soda, and the other diet soda for the next 8 years....that would have yielded some interesting conclusions.
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    Sep 20, 2010 8:38 PM GMT
    hahaha.

    also people drinking diet coke will think they can pig out on some other food, like pizza, donuts and fries because they got no calories from the coke.

    warped , but very satisfying i'm sure.
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    Sep 20, 2010 8:47 PM GMT
    All studies and surveys should be scrutinized. I find it disappointing when most people take these things at face value and don't ask how the numbers were derived. Or how the study was performed.
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    Sep 21, 2010 1:09 AM GMT
    I once heard a saying that I can't help but recall every time I read some study like this:

    "Liars use statistics like a drunk uses a lightpole; more for support than illumination".
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    Sep 21, 2010 1:13 AM GMT
    Global_Citizen saidI once heard a saying that I can't help but recall every time I read some study like this:

    "Liars use statistics like a drunk uses a lightpole; more for support than illumination".


    Truer words were never said...but this keeps popping up everywhere...and people keep accepting it as truth...reminds me of when George Bush was President...but that's a whole other story.
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    Sep 21, 2010 1:38 AM GMT
    I did once read somewhere that
    "Diet soda's mess up with your brain. Your tongue sends a sensation that you ate something sweet and so your body has sugar it needs, but then your brain can't find it. This leads your body to crave for sugar more. This keeps on going till your body goes out of balance and looses track of how much sugar you need and how much you took in. Thus people end up eating more sugar than what they regularly will."
    I noticed this for me, that the more I try drinking diet stuff, the more I crave for something sweet.
    Not saying that the study is full proof true, but something to think about.

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    Sep 21, 2010 2:41 AM GMT
    That was a quote from one of the many, many stories about this study...

    they were hypothesizing about what mechanisms could explain thier flawed conclusion....

    You can't fool your body...it knows there are no calories in diet pop.

    So, eventually, it send out the hunger vibe again...that's what you feel...not some magical artificial sweetner effect...IMO.
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    Sep 21, 2010 2:47 AM GMT
    I can't tell you anything based on "studies" or "data" or "research" other than my own experiences as a former Personal Trainer with my clients.

    Bottom line. Those that drank soda consistently and habitually....whether it was diet or not....had a harder time realizing their goals more so than those that did not drink soda.

    Diet, regular.....it is all the same.

    And I have absolutely no facts whatsoever to back up my statements.
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    Sep 21, 2010 2:48 AM GMT
    You invalidated your entire post with the first line. Read the original data, then rant if it keeps your findings true.

    I drink regular soda. I don't really give a crap how much sugar is in it, or the negative effects of the acid. It's tasty, and I figure I'm allowed a vice since I don't smoke or injest non-alcoholic drugs.
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    Sep 21, 2010 3:11 AM GMT
    GwgTrunks saidYou invalidated your entire post with the first line. Read the original data, then rant if it keeps your findings true.

    I drink regular soda. I don't really give a crap how much sugar is in it, or the negative effects of the acid. It's tasty, and I figure I'm allowed a vice since I don't smoke or injest non-alcoholic drugs.


    No worries man...not trying to make you feel bad about drinking any kind of pop, but this junk science has sprung legs....
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    Sep 21, 2010 3:12 AM GMT
    sxydrkhair saidHere is a short video for you.



    Yup...EXACTLY.

    Carbonic acid.

    Hmmm..now there's something real.
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    Sep 21, 2010 4:10 AM GMT
    asnextdoor saidI did once read somewhere that
    "Diet soda's mess up with your brain. Your tongue sends a sensation that you ate something sweet and so your body has sugar it needs, but then your brain can't find it. This leads your body to crave for sugar more. This keeps on going till your body goes out of balance and looses track of how much sugar you need and how much you took in. Thus people end up eating more sugar than what they regularly will."
    I noticed this for me, that the more I try drinking diet stuff, the more I crave for something sweet.
    Not saying that the study is full proof true, but something to think about.




    I heard this in a nutrition class, and an addictive process class (when we were discussing sugar and caffeine addictions). Despite the information I have, I've continued to drink diet soda and I've continued to fluctuate in weight. I do not believe for one second that the diet soda MADE me gain weight. I'm responsible for what I put into my body...however, I certainly have more cravings for simple carbs and processed food than I do when I'm drinking plain old H20.
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    Sep 21, 2010 4:18 AM GMT
    xassantex saidhahaha.

    also people drinking diet coke will think they can pig out on some other food, like pizza, donuts and fries because they got no calories from the coke.

    warped , but very satisfying i'm sure.


    I don't think (or at least I hope not) that they think drinking diet makes it OK to eat those things. I think the thinking is, if you're gonna pig out on pizza, donuts and fries, you might as well save some sugar and calories and get a diet soda with all of that. icon_confused.gif
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    Sep 21, 2010 4:23 AM GMT
    not to steer the topic off track, but it's been the same with the myth that there is no way to lose weight off a specific part of your body, ie. body sculpting, the "hard truth" was that if you wanted to lose weight off your butt or hips, you would need to lose weight generally doing countless hours of cardio.... the reality couldn't be farther from the truth, you CAN definitely lose weight only off your hips and butt or only upper body or whatever combination: if you target those areas using the right type of exercise. Just because someone seems to know their shit and advises you one way or another, don't take it as absolute truth. Question it, try it out, try the alternative, and see what works.

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    Sep 21, 2010 4:43 AM GMT
    asnextdoor saidI did once read somewhere that
    "Diet soda's mess up with your brain. Your tongue sends a sensation that you ate something sweet and so your body has sugar it needs, but then your brain can't find it. This leads your body to crave for sugar more. This keeps on going till your body goes out of balance and looses track of how much sugar you need and how much you took in. Thus people end up eating more sugar than what they regularly will."
    I noticed this for me, that the more I try drinking diet stuff, the more I crave for something sweet.
    Not saying that the study is full proof true, but something to think about.




    It seems like it might be true..and it fullfils certain human desires...but it just is not backed up by REAL science....not this JUNK science.

    Because it is repeated in the media...again right here on RJ (not you man...the article of the week crud...)
    ....does not make it scientifically valid.
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    Sep 21, 2010 5:29 AM GMT
    sxydrkhair saidHere is a short video for you.



    Why are you given to bullshit?

    There's more acid in orange juice, lemonade, grapefruit juice. Also dissolves teeth.
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    Sep 21, 2010 5:36 AM GMT
    Runninchlt said
    asnextdoor saidI did once read somewhere that
    "Diet soda's mess up with your brain. Your tongue sends a sensation that you ate something sweet and so your body has sugar it needs, but then your brain can't find it. This leads your body to crave for sugar more. This keeps on going till your body goes out of balance and looses track of how much sugar you need and how much you took in. Thus people end up eating more sugar than what they regularly will."
    I noticed this for me, that the more I try drinking diet stuff, the more I crave for something sweet.
    Not saying that the study is full proof true, but something to think about.
    I heard this in a nutrition class, and an addictive process class (when we were discussing sugar and caffeine addictions). Despite the information I have, I've continued to drink diet soda and I've continued to fluctuate in weight. I do not believe for one second that the diet soda MADE me gain weight. I'm responsible for what I put into my body...however, I certainly have more cravings for simple carbs and processed food than I do when I'm drinking plain old H20.

    I also read this somewhere and decided to switch from diet soad to water. It actually made me crave LESS for sweets and carbs. Over six weeks of drinking water, I lost a few pounds. Try it, you'll be surprised.

    Unfortunately, I couldn't stay away too long from my Diet Dr. Pepper. icon_sad.gif
  • mynyun

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    Sep 21, 2010 9:02 AM GMT
    Well if you find a study on a certain product the first things you have to ask yourself is WHO did the study and WHY.

    It may have been a competitor of a product doing a study and to tarnish their competitor's product or get people to buy their own product.
  • redrocketmpls

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    Sep 21, 2010 9:12 AM GMT
    If you drink water all day, then you can get your sweet fix at night with an apple or a bananna!
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    Sep 21, 2010 9:42 AM GMT
    moscowmikey,

    I just skimmed what you wrote for now. But I have one question: Do you work for the soft drink industry? lol

    jk

    And actually... I would need to see the study before I would comment about anything--otherwise I'm relying on your interpretation, understanding, and memory of the data and conclusions.
  • mikey_101

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    Sep 21, 2010 9:53 AM GMT
    Aspartame is carcinogenic neuro toxin....... yum yum...fizzy drinks.
  • GQjock

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    Sep 21, 2010 10:11 AM GMT
    If you're serious about your health and on a good diet regimen you wouldn't be drinking diet soda regularly anyway

    I haven't seen the study and don't know the physiologic events that take place to cause weight gain in diet soda drinkers
    But I do know that the people I know who drink diet soda regularly are overweight
    and we've all seen the people in the supermarket with the loaded shopping cart filled with cookies, frozen pizzas and diet sodas
    Bottom line they are not good for you either way
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    Sep 21, 2010 11:16 AM GMT
    My point isn't that you should drink diet soda...I think,at best, it does nothing for you..you'd be better off drinking water.

    I have (mostly) replaced drinking diet pop with drinking tea. But, it's not because I think diet soda will make me fat.

    My personal belief is that the more natural, unprocessed foods we eat, the better off we are.
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    Sep 21, 2010 11:58 AM GMT
    moscowmikey said...
    So...the headline is "DIET SODA MAKES YOU GAIN WEIGHT."
    ...
    But...the truth is "TAKING IN MORE CALORIES THAN YOU BURN MAKES YOU GAIN WEIGHT."
    I've never drank diet soda [except as a crutch when no other is available], yet I can gain 50+ pounds in just a few months if I'm not careful with my diet.
    And, through lots of cardio + lifting, I can lose 50+ pounds in just a few months while drinking ANY sodas and coffees and other "fattening" stuff.
    It all boils down to calories in vs calories burned.
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    Sep 21, 2010 12:37 PM GMT
    paulflexes said

    It all boils down to calories in vs calories burned.


    Amen.