Like a Drunken Sailor

  • Webster666

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    Sep 21, 2010 6:13 AM GMT
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    Sep 21, 2010 3:09 PM GMT
    One wonders where the impetus for military spending came from:
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    Sep 21, 2010 3:36 PM GMT
    http://cedarcomm.com/~stevelm1/usdebt.htmAs President Reagan entered office in 1981 he repeatedly called for a balanced budget amendment to the Constitution, yet never submitted a balanced budget himself[7]. Many on the right reflexively blame the Democratically controlled Congress for the “big spending” during his administration, even though Republicans controlled the Senate for the first six years of his two terms. Only during the last two years of the Reagan administration was the Congress completely controlled by Democrats, and the records show that the growth of the debt slowed during this period. ...

    The fact is that Reagan was able to push his tax cuts through both Houses of Congress, but he never pushed through any reduced spending programs. ...The increase in total debt during Reagan’s two terms was larger than all the debt accumulated by all the presidents before him combined. From 1983 through 1985, with a Republican Senate, the debt was increasing at over 17% per year. While Mr. Reagan was in office this nation’s debt went from just under 1 trillion dollars to over 2.6 trillion dollars, a 200% increase.

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    Sep 21, 2010 5:40 PM GMT
    If you go by discretionary spending (such as military), the direction that is set by the president is most often followed, no matter which party controls Congress. Ditto for non-budgetary items (such as one time requests for the military made by the president) which add substantially to the debt.

    The other big parts of growth in the debt, mandatory spending (Medicare and SS), unfortunately has more to do with the direction of population mechanics and the general direction of the health care market, and no president or Congress have been able to rein in the costs due to lack of political will (read: electability) by either party.

    Your statement c. leaves a lot to be desired in its clarity and data. And your simplification of the control of Congress per president is also lacking in subtlety.
  • GQjock

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    Sep 21, 2010 11:30 PM GMT
    southbeach1500 saidFinish the story. Don't stop at 2006, go through 2010. Create your own chart and post that.

    It's clear that:

    a) Debt is increasing no matter who is in control of government

    b) Any claims that Republicans only increase the debt are false

    c) That the Democrats have increased the debt on a year by year basis far more than Republicans

    And remember, all spending authorizations come from CONGRESS.



    Wow ..... What Crack based Wheaties have you been eating
    Every Republican President has resided over and increased our National debt
    and it's even WORSE when the President and the Legislature is republican
    ie: George W Bush

    Presidents always lead the economic policy for the country ... always have and always will
    Every President submits and gets his economic agenda - like his energy policy and his foreign policy
    So sorry you can't brush over this one
    History is starin' you right in the face .... and just like Mr Wilson said

    YOU LIE
  • Webster666

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    Sep 22, 2010 4:55 AM GMT
    southbeach1500 saidAnd the rest of the story that you conveniently left out (yet again)....

    Reagan: Democrat Congress

    Bush 41: Democrat Congress

    Clinton: Republican Congress

    Bush 43: Liberal Republican Congress (bad) -> Democrat Congress (worse)


    Where do the spending bills come from? (Hint: Congress)






    You consistently ignore the fact that your REPUBLICAN Presidents can VETO any legislation with which they disapprove. Since your REPUBLICAN Presidents didn't VETO the legislation, they must have approved.

    Who signs the spending bills into law ?
    (Hint: the President)
  • Webster666

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    Sep 22, 2010 4:58 AM GMT
    southbeach1500 saidFinish the story. Don't stop at 2006, go through 2010. Create your own chart and post that.

    It's clear that:

    a) Debt is increasing no matter who is in control of government

    b) Any claims that Republicans only increase the debt are false

    c) That the Democrats have increased the debt on a year by year basis far more than Republicans

    And remember, all spending authorizations come from CONGRESS.






    No evidence means that you're a liar.

    And, remember, all spending authorizations must be signed into law by the President.