This is awful.

  • Little_Spoon

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    Sep 22, 2010 3:16 AM GMT
    I feel like the government I've sworn to protect has failed me.

    I don't even know what else to say about that.

    I'm far more heartbroken than angry.
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    Sep 22, 2010 3:18 AM GMT
    I know the feeling.
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    Sep 22, 2010 3:35 AM GMT
    I feel like peeing on all the Republicans that voted NO in the Senate.
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    Sep 22, 2010 3:37 AM GMT
    JAKEBENSON saidI feel like peeing on all the Republicans that voted NO in the Senate.
    They might like that.
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    Sep 22, 2010 3:37 AM GMT
    JAKEBENSON saidI feel like peeing on all the Republicans that voted NO in the Senate.


    All of the addresses are in my earlier post. Bottle it and mail it. icon_wink.gif
  • disasterpiece

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    Sep 22, 2010 5:38 AM GMT
    DanielH saidI feel like the government I've sworn to protect has failed me.

    I don't even know what else to say about that.

    I'm far more heartbroken than angry.


    There's like 4 other topics about the senate vote, the DADT rally, Gaga's speech, with people actually (trying to be) constructive about it, and think.

    Was that new topic necessary? Just sayin' icon_wink.gif
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    Sep 22, 2010 5:46 AM GMT
    Give it time. Keep hope alive. Get nvolved.
    Our Constitution, our way of life, has withstood tremendous change over the past 224 years.
    Get like minded people registered to vote, educated on issues, and in the polls when election day comes.
    We have the power to shape our government and our destiny.
    Use it.
  • GQjock

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    Sep 22, 2010 10:32 AM GMT
    This vote

    One more reason why ANY gay man or woman should Never vote republican
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    Sep 22, 2010 5:12 PM GMT
    southbeach1500 said
    GQjock saidThis vote

    One more reason why ANY gay man or woman should Never vote republican


    Did you know that amnesty for about 2 million illegal aliens was included in it? Ever heard of a "poison pill?"

    Perhaps that is one of the reasons why the vote failed as well, hmmmm?


    I love how they routinely ignore this over and over and over. Perhaps they enjoy remaining in a delusion about what this bill was really about. DADT was simply the facade.

    If you care about repealing DADT then criticize the democrats for craftily inserting other measures, like the "dream act" that ended up killing all chances of the bill going through.
  • MiMatt38

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    Sep 22, 2010 5:41 PM GMT
    Now Mock... come on, real gay men don't question the Democrats... like blacks and illiterate rednecks, gay men are supposed to stay on the Democrat Plantation, ask no questions and demand no answers from their Democrat Masters, keep feeding at the govt trough like the good-little ACORNers use to, never stop crying about their civil rights getting infringed and party on in their own bars until the Democrats need activists to man their Angry-Men rallies with all the labor goons.

    Who decided that real gay men have to vote with their dicks first anyway... oh yeah, the same idiot gay "leaders" that got us into bed with the Democrat authors of Dont Ask, led the real smart and effective gay activist efforts that led to dozens of states banning our right to marry or adopt... real smart of our mainstream, lamebrained gay leaders and their mindless robots.

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    Sep 22, 2010 6:20 PM GMT
    MiMatt38 saidNow Mock... come on, real gay men don't question the Democrats... like blacks and illiterate rednecks, gay men are supposed to stay on the Democrat Plantation, ask no questions and demand no answers from their Democrat Masters, keep feeding at the govt trough like the good-little ACORNers use to, never stop crying about their civil rights getting infringed and party on in their own bars until the Democrats need activists to man their Angry-Men rallies with all the labor goons.

    Who decided that real gay men have to vote with their dicks first anyway... oh yeah, the same idiot gay "leaders" that got us into bed with the Democrat authors of Dont Ask, led the real smart and effective gay activist efforts that led to dozens of states banning our right to marry or adopt... real smart of our mainstream, lamebrained gay leaders and their mindless robots.

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    I fail to see how any of us are voting with our dicks. Unless you are implying we should be happy with second class citizenship.
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    Sep 22, 2010 8:00 PM GMT
    mocktwinkie said
    southbeach1500 said
    GQjock saidThis vote

    One more reason why ANY gay man or woman should Never vote republican


    Did you know that amnesty for about 2 million illegal aliens was included in it? Ever heard of a "poison pill?"

    Perhaps that is one of the reasons why the vote failed as well, hmmmm?


    I love how they routinely ignore this over and over and over in order. Perhaps they enjoy remaining in a delusion about what this bill was really about. DADT was simply the facade.

    If you care about repealing DADT then criticize the democrats for craftily inserting other measures, like the "dream act" that ended up killing all chances of the bill going through.


    Did you know that bill also would allow babies to be baked in pies!

    I love how SB posts about the DREAM Act to fit his xenophobic worldview. He would not dare actually write about it in any real detail because the discussion might shift from his "Democrats are evil" crusade he has been on, dull little boy. And 2 million people? Where are you even getting that number from? You certainly have not bothered to ever present an argument here with facts and research, rather just pluck information out of thin air to support what every bullshit you are going on about today.
  • Webster666

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    Sep 22, 2010 8:03 PM GMT
    DanielH saidI feel like the government I've sworn to protect has failed me.

    I don't even know what else to say about that.

    I'm far more heartbroken than angry.





    Heartbroken ?
    What did you expect from a bunch of Republicans ?
    You should have been shocked if even ONE of them had voted to repeal DADT.
  • Webster666

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    Sep 22, 2010 8:04 PM GMT
    southbeach1500 said
    GQjock saidThis vote

    One more reason why ANY gay man or woman should Never vote republican


    Did you know that amnesty for about 2 million illegal aliens was included in it? Ever heard of a "poison pill?"

    Perhaps that is one of the reasons why the vote failed as well, hmmmm?





    You idiot.
    Every last Republican would have voted, "No" even if the bill had nothing but repealing DADT, and you know it.
  • Timbales

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    Sep 22, 2010 8:09 PM GMT
    Politicians are, by nature, self-serving carrion eaters who don't care about anything other than their using and acquiring power.
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    Sep 22, 2010 8:20 PM GMT
    MiMatt38 saidNow Mock... come on, real gay men don't question the Democrats... like blacks and illiterate rednecks, gay men are supposed to stay on the Democrat Plantation, ask no questions and demand no answers from their Democrat Masters, keep feeding at the govt trough like the good-little ACORNers use to, never stop crying about their civil rights getting infringed and party on in their own bars until the Democrats need activists to man their Angry-Men rallies with all the labor goons.

    Who decided that real gay men have to vote with their dicks first anyway... oh yeah, the same idiot gay "leaders" that got us into bed with the Democrat authors of Dont Ask, led the real smart and effective gay activist efforts that led to dozens of states banning our right to marry or adopt... real smart of our mainstream, lamebrained gay leaders and their mindless robots.

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    Hammer meets nail-head.

    Indeed, we can be a blind, if not short-sighted... and selfish people. And it may well prove that the Dems really do not give a nicely polished turd for those gays want, who are excessively vocal in defending and spending for that same party.

    The DREAM act likely helped scuttle it, and I'll be as cynical as to say that the Democrats put that in their so that it would fail:a strategic "sacrifice" to get gay sympathy and to pass the blame on those mean Repubbies for hating on the gay when they were really trying to sink the prospect of legalizing several million illegal aliens.

    In other words, it's all pre-election statesmanship smoke and mirrors.

    Attaching DADT and DREAM to the same defense appropriations bill was a hell of a shady thing to do.

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    Sep 22, 2010 8:33 PM GMT
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    MiMatt38 saidNow Mock... come on, real gay men don't question the Democrats... like blacks and illiterate rednecks, gay men are supposed to stay on the Democrat Plantation, ask no questions and demand no answers from their Democrat Masters, keep feeding at the govt trough like the good-little ACORNers use to, never stop crying about their civil rights getting infringed and party on in their own bars until the Democrats need activists to man their Angry-Men rallies with all the labor goons.

    Who decided that real gay men have to vote with their dicks first anyway... oh yeah, the same idiot gay "leaders" that got us into bed with the Democrat authors of Dont Ask, led the real smart and effective gay activist efforts that led to dozens of states banning our right to marry or adopt... real smart of our mainstream, lamebrained gay leaders and their mindless robots.

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    Hammer meets nail-head.

    Indeed, we can be a blind, if not short-sighted... and selfish people. And it may well prove that the Dems really do not give a nicely polished turd for those gays want, who are excessively vocal in defending and spending for that same party.

    The DREAM act likely helped scuttle it, and I'll be as cynical as to say that the Democrats put that in their so that it would fail:a strategic "sacrifice" to get gay sympathy and to pass the blame on those mean Repubbies for hating on the gay when they were really trying to sink the prospect of legalizing several million illegal aliens.

    In other words, it's all pre-election statesmanship smoke and mirrors.

    Attaching DADT and DREAM to the same defense appropriations bill was a hell of a shady thing to do.



    Several million? Where are you getting that number from?

    Why is adding DADT and DREAM to the Defense bill shady? Both are directly related to defense (unlike other pre-election showmanship amendments) and both had bipartisan support at certain points in their history.

    And if you are looking to lay the blame for all of this at the feat of the Dems, why? Clearly, the GOP, generally, espouses very homophobic and xenophobic beliefs. Thus, it is the Democrats fault for not catering to that bigotry? And before you cry "it isn't bigotry!" with regard to the DREAM Act, I have yet to see anyone on this site demonstrate even a basic understanding of what the act is. I have just seen bullshit numbers and the world "amnesty" thrown about.
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    Sep 22, 2010 8:43 PM GMT
    alphatrigger said
    MiMatt38 saidNow Mock... come on, real gay men don't question the Democrats... like blacks and illiterate rednecks, gay men are supposed to stay on the Democrat Plantation, ask no questions and demand no answers from their Democrat Masters, keep feeding at the govt trough like the good-little ACORNers use to, never stop crying about their civil rights getting infringed and party on in their own bars until the Democrats need activists to man their Angry-Men rallies with all the labor goons.

    Who decided that real gay men have to vote with their dicks first anyway... oh yeah, the same idiot gay "leaders" that got us into bed with the Democrat authors of Dont Ask, led the real smart and effective gay activist efforts that led to dozens of states banning our right to marry or adopt... real smart of our mainstream, lamebrained gay leaders and their mindless robots.

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    Hammer meets nail-head.

    Indeed, we can be a blind, if not short-sighted... and selfish people. And it may well prove that the Dems really do not give a nicely polished turd for those gays want, who are excessively vocal in defending and spending for that same party.

    The DREAM act likely helped scuttle it, and I'll be as cynical as to say that the Democrats put that in their so that it would fail:a strategic "sacrifice" to get gay sympathy and to pass the blame on those mean Repubbies for hating on the gay when they were really trying to sink the prospect of legalizing several million illegal aliens.

    In other words, it's all pre-election statesmanship smoke and mirrors.

    Attaching DADT and DREAM to the same defense appropriations bill was a hell of a shady thing to do.



    Didn't mccain say that the republicans want to wait for the studies being conducted by the pentagon before voting on DADT? But no, the dems just had to shove things through (along with some other egregious attachments) to make everything appear 100% partisan.
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    Sep 22, 2010 8:47 PM GMT
    Actually the 2.1 million number is what is estimated by the Center for Immigration Studies:
    http://www.cis.org/articles/2007/dreamactrelease.html
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    Sep 22, 2010 8:52 PM GMT
    And no, mocktwinkie, Gates actually wanted the vote to be delayed till December when the results are ready, but McCain seems to have made up his mind about this study:
    http://www.gaypolitics.com/2010/09/22/mccain-attacks-pentagons-dadt-study-ahead-of-its-completion/
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    Sep 22, 2010 9:01 PM GMT
    q1w2e3 saidActually the 2.1 million number is what is estimated by the Center for Immigration Studies:
    http://www.cis.org/articles/2007/dreamactrelease.html


    And reading their methodology, 2.1 million is the total possible number of potentially qualifying children. It ignores the additional requirement that the individual must either serve in the military or get a BA. The actual number will be much lower than that.

    Further, the CIS is a conservative think tank whose executive director, Mark Kirkorian (you will see him on Fox when ever immigration reform is discussed) is the author of The New Case Against Immigration. So, pardon me if I heavily discount the opinions of such an organization with a heavy anti-immigrant track record.
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    Sep 22, 2010 10:26 PM GMT
    Both. The full title of the above book is The New Case Against Immigration: Both Legal and Illegal.

    He is a regular writer for the conservative National Review and, in an editorial last year said that we should pronounce Justice Sotomayor's name how he prefers because that is his brand of English:

    Mark KirkorianDeferring to people's own pronunciation of their names should obviously be our first inclination, but there ought to be limits. Putting the emphasis on the final syllable of Sotomayor is unnatural in English


    And really, if one is going to pretend to be an expert on immigration at least don't cry about how inconvenient non-Anglo names are to pronounce.
  • roadbikeRob

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    Sep 22, 2010 10:49 PM GMT
    This is just partisan politics as usual. The democrats have been dragging their asses with repeal of DADT and what do we get but more caution and more delays. This just gave the conservative wing of the GOP more political ammunition to block this long overdue repeal and now with mid term congressional elections less than two months away, it is going to be extremely hard to bring this back onto the senate floor for another vote.
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    Sep 22, 2010 11:20 PM GMT
    I don't think he has publicly said he wishes to end all immigration. But he is all for severely limiting it. I don't know what his deal is or what his arguments are. The brief time I did spend studying immigration policy I did not encounter his work at all.

    But, going to the CIS for information regarding immigration is akin to getting information on the effectiveness of gun trigger locks from the NRA: clearly a biased source. From what I have seen of their methodology, they are more interested in anti-immigrant outcomes rather than quality research.
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    Sep 22, 2010 11:20 PM GMT
    Lesson Learned: Never trust anyone telling you to go "Right"!

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