I applied for a job and they sent me this form

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    Sep 22, 2010 11:37 PM GMT
    I didn't want to post it anywhere publicly while the application was pending but since it has been (so rudely) ignored I figure what's to loose and get some real jock opinions. Just really kind of shocked me.

    It's a large multinational company, couple of thousand employees

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    Sep 23, 2010 1:20 AM GMT
    MsclDrew saidI didn't want to post it anywhere publicly while the application was pending but since it has been (so rudely) ignored I figure what's to loose and get some real jock opinions. Just really kind of shocked me.

    You should spell properly so your applications don't get ignored.
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    Sep 23, 2010 1:27 AM GMT
    I'm not 100% certain what kind of form this is, or what stage of the application process you're in, but I know it is inethical, and in some cases illegal, to inquire as to one's age or sexual orientation when determining viability for a position.
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    Sep 23, 2010 1:31 AM GMT
    it is illegal to inquire about ones sexual orientation. Which company is this as i know many lawers who would gladly look into this. Its kinda also funny that sexual orientation is considered a disability.
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    Sep 23, 2010 1:40 AM GMT
    tereseus1 saidit is illegal to inquire about ones sexual orientation. Which company is this as i know many lawers who would gladly look into this. Its kinda also funny that sexual orientation is considered a disability.

    Where is it illegal? We arent a protected class in the US.
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    Sep 23, 2010 2:40 AM GMT
    Drew is in Ireland. They do things differently there. And from looking at the application, it's not implying that homosexuality is a disability. It's just that the form is poorly designed and formatted. Look to the left.. it says "Generic Equal Ops Dropdown". This is more a question about equal opportunity, rather than disability. To me it seems that whoever created that section of the form modified the existing form in a quick and hackish way.

    In the US, job applications ask you to volunteer the following info:

    - Sex
    - Ethnic Origin
    - War veteran
    - Do you require special assistance
    - What year you graduated college or high school

    And a few others questions. Companies can be sneaky and figure out all things about you, while not asking illegal questions directly.
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    Sep 23, 2010 3:50 AM GMT
    Caslon15000 said
    tereseus1 saidit is illegal to inquire about ones sexual orientation. Which company is this as i know many lawers who would gladly look into this. Its kinda also funny that sexual orientation is considered a disability.

    Where is it illegal? We arent a protected class in the US.


    In some states we are a protected class when it comes to jobs...
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    Sep 23, 2010 5:03 AM GMT
    Caslon15000 said
    tereseus1 saidit is illegal to inquire about ones sexual orientation. Which company is this as i know many lawers who would gladly look into this. Its kinda also funny that sexual orientation is considered a disability.

    Where is it illegal? We arent a protected class in the US.




    In the United States, the following topics are illegal in a job interview.

    Age
    Sexual orientation
    Marital status
    Children
    Pregnancy

    That's not my opinion. It's the law.
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    Sep 23, 2010 6:20 AM GMT
    Can you provide some backup to that law, please? I was also under the impression that sexual orientation protection was state by state. And, for the most part, they can ask that question legally AND not hire you (or fire you down the road) without any recourse.

    If it truly is illegal, I'd love to have backup at my disposal.
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    Sep 23, 2010 12:54 PM GMT
    It can't be illegal to ask for sexual orientation on a job application in the UK, because I applied for a job with the police force last year where they asked that. There is also the option to refuse answering though.

    I think that application form was just badly designed, but it does look as though it's implying your orientation is linked to disability.

    P.s. I answered that question honestly, and was offered the job. I turned it down though, in the end.
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    Sep 23, 2010 12:55 PM GMT
    in europe you may even be benefited by being a "minority", depends on how hip the company is. It´s not like the retarded, cunty USA icon_biggrin.gif
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    Sep 23, 2010 12:59 PM GMT
    Webster666 said
    Caslon15000 said
    tereseus1 saidit is illegal to inquire about ones sexual orientation. Which company is this as i know many lawers who would gladly look into this. Its kinda also funny that sexual orientation is considered a disability.

    Where is it illegal? We arent a protected class in the US.




    In the United States, the following topics are illegal in a job interview.

    Age
    Sexual orientation
    Marital status
    Children
    Pregnancy

    That's not my opinion. It's the law.


    As stated above, most of this info can be gleaned through clever questions during the interview. When I was a hiring Manager I would ask to bum a smoke at the end of the interview, all other things equal, I never hired a smoker over a non-smoker due to the lost productivity due to smoke breaks.
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    Sep 23, 2010 1:11 PM GMT
    I work for a multi-national corporation whose HR department would never ask for information regarding sexual orientation. I don't know of a single reputable multi-national company that would.

    Is this an application for joining the Taliban, GOP or Tea Baggers? Those are the only examples I can think of that would ask such things of its applicants.
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    Sep 23, 2010 1:14 PM GMT
    Caslon15000 said
    MsclDrew saidI didn't want to post it anywhere publicly while the application was pending but since it has been (so rudely) ignored I figure what's to loose and get some real jock opinions. Just really kind of shocked me.

    You should spell properly so your applications don't get ignored.


    Why do people do this?

    It's so sad.

    You knew what he meant.
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    Sep 23, 2010 1:15 PM GMT
    What happens when you click unspecified? icon_lol.gif
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    Sep 23, 2010 1:25 PM GMT
    I don't see any issue with the form, other than the fact, (and I agree with xrichx on this,) that the form is poorly designed.

    Equal opportunities sections on application forms have been standard for several years now. This one happens to be about sexuality, but you get them for ethnic background amongst other things.
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    Sep 23, 2010 1:30 PM GMT
    Uhm, it doesnt impy its a disability dude.. they put "heterosexual woman" on there too... they do it as a measure of non-discriminating based on sexuality
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    Sep 23, 2010 1:33 PM GMT
    NickFit saidIt can't be illegal to ask for sexual orientation on a job application in the UK, because I applied for a job with the police force last year where they asked that. There is also the option to refuse answering though.

    I think that application form was just badly designed, but it does look as though it's implying your orientation is linked to disability.

    P.s. I answered that question honestly, and was offered the job. I turned it down though, in the end.


    It's definitley illegal in the UK, as it is in Ireland. Same goes for race, gender age etc. In Ireland it's covered under the Employment Equality Act 1998.

    You can aske the question, but you leave yoursefl wide open to claims and the burden of proof rests with the respondent to the claim (i.e. the employer)


    To such a degree, that if you even write down someones age for instance on your notepad while interviewing them, they can request that sheet of paper and claim under the equality act that it was for that reason they disn't succeed in the interview.

    I would be very surprised if the same isn't true in the USA.
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    Sep 23, 2010 1:44 PM GMT
    We may not have gay marriage In Australia yet, but I will assure you that a company/interviewer/etc can definitely not legally even ask those questions (age/sexuality/religion/race/etc) here, much less expect you to answer them.
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    Sep 23, 2010 1:54 PM GMT
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    NickFit saidIt can't be illegal to ask for sexual orientation on a job application in the UK, because I applied for a job with the police force last year where they asked that. There is also the option to refuse answering though.

    I think that application form was just badly designed, but it does look as though it's implying your orientation is linked to disability.

    P.s. I answered that question honestly, and was offered the job. I turned it down though, in the end.


    It's definitley illegal in the UK, as it is in Ireland. Same goes for race, gender age etc. In Ireland it's covered under the Employment Equality Act 1998.


    What I'm saying is, it's not illegal to ASK - on that police application form I'm fairly sure I was asked age and gender, and like I say, my sexual orientation was voluntary. I suppose if I had not been given the job I could try to sue them and claim it was homophobia, but I think people who do that are pathetic (unless they have strong supporting evidence of their claims).

    In actual fact, it could have helped my application, if they were keen to employ more minorities to the force.
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    Sep 23, 2010 1:58 PM GMT
    NickFit said
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    NickFit saidIt can't be illegal to ask for sexual orientation on a job application in the UK, because I applied for a job with the police force last year where they asked that. There is also the option to refuse answering though.

    I think that application form was just badly designed, but it does look as though it's implying your orientation is linked to disability.

    P.s. I answered that question honestly, and was offered the job. I turned it down though, in the end.


    It's definitley illegal in the UK, as it is in Ireland. Same goes for race, gender age etc. In Ireland it's covered under the Employment Equality Act 1998.


    What I'm saying is, it's not illegal to ASK - on that police application form I'm fairly sure I was asked age and gender, and like I say, my sexual orientation was voluntary. I suppose if I had not been given the job I could try to sue them and claim it was homophobia, but I think people who do that are pathetic (unless they have strong supporting evidence of their claims).

    In actual fact, it could have helped my application, if they were keen to employ more minorities to the force.


    In the UK, esp in public service, this is the most realistic explanation of the question
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    Sep 23, 2010 3:14 PM GMT
    Here's a summary of the Disability Discrimination Act (1995) legislation referenced in the application. It's UK legislation:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disability_Discrimination_Act_1995

    As others have mentioned, they may have some internal recruitment goals for diversifying their workforce. Sometimes a firm or institution can be on the hook for showing efforts to diversify if they have been found to have had a pattern of discrimination in the past. But such information should be voluntary.

    When I've applied for municipal jobs I've had variations of this kind of question asked for racial background, but have not seen sexual orientation asked here in the U.S. Any time they ask it has been presented as voluntary/for statistical purposes. But I've always wondered, if you decline to answer, will someone not want to interview you because they don't think you'll be a "team player"? Sometimes I've answered it, sometimes I've declined, never sure though.
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    Sep 23, 2010 3:18 PM GMT
    tereseus1 saidit is illegal to inquire about ones sexual orientation. Which company is this as i know many lawers who would gladly look into this. Its kinda also funny that sexual orientation is considered a disability.


    I'm not so sure that it IS illegal to ask... but the best response would be
    "unspecified", as shown on the top of the form.
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    Sep 23, 2010 3:23 PM GMT
    What?! icon_eek.gif
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    Sep 23, 2010 11:30 PM GMT
    I did answer honestly.... but I still thought it wasn't kosher

    I expect more of a DADT policy from these kind of things at least