A letter from Obama to us

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    Feb 29, 2008 3:48 AM GMT
    via Towleroad here's an open letter to the LBGT community and one of the latest campaign images:

    http://www.towleroad.com/2008/02/barack-obama-wr.html

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    Feb 29, 2008 4:34 AM GMT
    Still for Hillary.

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    Feb 29, 2008 4:50 AM GMT
    has hillary addressed our community like this?
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    Feb 29, 2008 4:55 AM GMT
    yes
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    Feb 29, 2008 4:55 AM GMT
    Wow, if that video is what's left of Hillary's supporters she's in trouble.
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    Feb 29, 2008 4:57 AM GMT
    oh you're mean. THere is going to be a part two don't worry.
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    Feb 29, 2008 5:00 AM GMT
    I'm not trying to be mean, but that was a long ramble that didn't seem to go anywhere. I was expecting specific points or counterpoints to the letter and/or campaign poster.
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    Feb 29, 2008 5:01 AM GMT
    If any of you think that Obama will do any more for queer rights than Clinton, you're kidding yourselves. The differences between their policies on the GLBT community are miniscule to nonexistent. Just because he's playing us with more of his empty rhetoric, doesn't mean he's going to be able to do any more for us than anyone else.

    Sorry, he's a great candidate, but this means nothing to the realist in me.
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    Feb 29, 2008 5:05 AM GMT
    my first one on her I didn't feel like going into specifics yet and my editing skills are terrible right now bc i am very new at this video maki in the first place. ALso I am so much better about talking these issues on paper and not so great at it on the computer screen. The whole thing is a learning process. All i can say other than the fact that i am a diehard hilldog supporter is that if it does turn out that she fails in the democratic primaries than yes i will support Barrack Obama. But at the moment i am ready to bite the heads off of any hillary haters while she still has a chance.icon_wink.gif
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    Feb 29, 2008 5:07 AM GMT
    I just checked out your profile. You're from the gaystate too! Awesome. I voted for Hillary though.icon_razz.gif
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    Feb 29, 2008 5:14 AM GMT
    Chewy, I hear what you're saying, but I'm willing to give Barack more benefit of the doubt than Hillary.

    Bush2 already set the tone of modern legacy presidents by continuing Bush1's ruining of the country and it's image worldwide. I'm unwilling to give Clinton2 a chance to repeat or strengthen what Clinton1 did (Don't Ask, Don't Tell and the Crime Bill that caused a massive increase in the number of Americans sent to jail come to mind).

    I think that the progressive movement will stand more of a chance with an Obama administration and that progressives will finally have a president who will be more responsive to their concerns and willing to address them. Only time will tell, but Clinton strikes me as being too entrenched in establishment and fairly conservative. She would be good on in the Cabinet, tho.
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    Feb 29, 2008 5:24 AM GMT
    Alexander89 saidI just checked out your profile. You're from the gaystate too! Awesome. I voted for Hillary though.icon_razz.gif


    Yeah, but I'm from the other side of the state. For a week after Super Tuesday everyone I know in the metro area was calling each other to find out how Obama lost. We expected the metro area to pull the state for Obama, but it looks like it was split evenly.

    http://www.boston.com/news/politics/2008/primaries/mass_primary_dem_results_by_town/
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    Feb 29, 2008 5:35 AM GMT
    I voted for Hillary. I find Obama's appealing to the gay community disingenuous considering the pastor of his church is rabidly anti-gay, he's had anti-gay speakers at his events and he's just full of shit generally.

    Go Hillary, you can still win it!
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    Feb 29, 2008 5:49 AM GMT
    So for you staunch supporters of Hilary and Barack, if your candidate does not win the Democratic Nomination, will you back the one that does? I know we have a really close race, but is it really worth all of the fighting amongst a lot of the supporters?
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    Feb 29, 2008 5:53 AM GMT
    caramelized2 said[quote][cite]Alexander89 said[/cite]I just checked out your profile. You're from the gaystate too! Awesome. I voted for Hillary though.icon_razz.gif


    Yeah, but I'm from the other side of the state. For a week after Super Tuesday everyone I know in the metro area was calling each other to find out how Obama lost. We expected the metro area to pull the state for Obama, but it looks like it was split evenly.

    http://www.boston.com/news/politics/2008/primaries/mass_primary_dem_results_by_town/[/quote]

    icon_twisted.gifMaybe you shouldn't have doubted the power of western and central mass. All of my friends and i were and still are big hillary supporters my family is also in your area and other than the republican acception all voted for hillary. I have a big family. The only Obama person I am friends with as far as i know is my roomate and that is strictly based on hs speaches which seems to be the case with most Obama supporters.icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Feb 29, 2008 5:55 AM GMT
    Auryn saidSo for you staunch supporters of Hilary and Barack, if your candidate does not win the Democratic Nomination, will you back the one that does? I know we have a really close race, but is it really worth all of the fighting amongst a lot of the supporters?


    Already stated that yes i will. I hope to the goddess that the Obamaniacs will do the same if there candidate isn't triumphant.icon_neutral.gif
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    Feb 29, 2008 6:00 AM GMT
    Auryn saidSo for you staunch supporters of Hilary and Barack, if your candidate does not win the Democratic Nomination, will you back the one that does? I know we have a really close race, but is it really worth all of the fighting amongst a lot of the supporters?


    I'm not sure. I guess I could hold my nose to vote for Obama, but the more I read stuff like the article below, the more I find Obama a distasteful hypocrite who cynically cloaks himself in the language of Hope only to practice the same dirty politics. And, I sincerely doubt he's got the wherewithal and experience to do a good job. It's odd to say, but I could see myself vote for McCain.

    http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.html?id=aa0cd21b-0ff2-4329-88a1-69c6c268b304&k=5083
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    Feb 29, 2008 6:00 AM GMT
    I voted in my hometown of westfield.
    Clinton got 3,045 and Obama got 1,931.
    Springfield was a close call but Hillary still won it!
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    Feb 29, 2008 6:04 AM GMT
    Obama did quite a bit for the LGBT community here in Illinois, even before he was elected to an office. I find his letter, and everything else he's said to us, to be genuine. I am looking at Obama's track record. He has a way of getting things done and genuinely treats everyone as an equal without betraying them when the chips are down. He's also only taking campaign donations from regular private citizens... so the campaign is owned by the people. I like that... a lot.

    I can't say the same for Hillary. I've heard nothing from her regarding LGBT issues that didn't sound like she was talking out of both sides of her mouth. In other words, I hear her, but I can not believe her. I've also not forgotten how she and Bill tossed us to the wolves when we needed them (DOMA, for one example... Don't Ask, Don't Tell for another). Fine, its done... but I'm not willing to give either of them another chance to do more of the same. Hillary is also accepting campaign donations from everyone, including the oil industry, lobbyists, special interest groups and other big business... which means she owes them if she's elected... which translates to "politics as usual". I can't support that, sorry. Do I hate Hillary? No, I don't hate anyone (except maybe Fred Phelps). Do I trust her words? Nope, not for a second.

    YES WE CAN!
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    Feb 29, 2008 6:05 AM GMT
    Chewey_Delt saidIf any of you think that Obama will do any more for queer rights than Clinton, you're kidding yourselves.


    Chewey, Bill Clinton ignored many of his LGBT advisors, and let David Mixner get in the last word on things like "Don't Ask, Don't Tell". He then cut Mixner loose and other staffers watched him getting arrested during a protest in front of the White House.

    Some of the people that Clinton refused to heed have now moved over to Obama rather than work with Hillary. I think that indicates their disenchantment with the Clintons, and suggests that there is a material difference between the two.
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    Feb 29, 2008 6:20 AM GMT
    Auryn... IF Obama doesn't get the nomination, I'll be forced to vote for Hillary... because I do not want McCain in office. Of course, to me this would be voting for the lesser of two evils, and I don't like doing that, but yeah, I'd throw my support to her and hope for the best.

    Alexander89The only Obama person I am friends with as far as i know is my roomate and that is strictly based on hs speaches which seems to be the case with most Obama supporters.

    Well, I can't speak for others, but I'm not taken in by his speeches. I've heard better speeches, actually, from candidates in past races and I never supported them. However, the content of his speeches, and more importantly his policies, are what won me over after I compared them to Hillary's.

    potkettleblackI guess I could hold my nose to vote for Obama, but the more I read stuff like the article below, the more I find Obama a distasteful hypocrite who cynically cloaks himself in the language of Hope only to practice the same dirty politics. And, I sincerely doubt he's got the wherewithal and experience to do a good job

    He's got the wherewithal and experience, I have no doubts of that. As for that article... I don't put any faith in anything The New Republic prints... never have... sorry.
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    Feb 29, 2008 6:27 AM GMT
    Alexander89 said

    Already stated that yes i will. I hope to the goddess that the Obamaniacs will do the same if there candidate isn't triumphant.icon_neutral.gif


    Good for you! icon_biggrin.gif I hope the same, too. Currently, I see Obama as the more diplomatic and Hilary as menopausal, but I'll take either one of them over the alternatives.
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    Feb 29, 2008 6:28 AM GMT
    It's not The New Republic you should be putting faith in. It's the well-researched opinions of people like the article's author, a professor of history at Princeton.

    I sincerely doubt Obama, who was too busy running for president to hold hearings on NATO in Afghanistan and voted present in the Illinois Senate (procedure aside) instead of taking a stand, has the experience to run a country. He barely has done anything as a US Senator, especially considering that of the two years he's been in office, more than one of them has been spent campaigning for the presidency.

    At the end of the day, I don't vote on LGBT issues because even though I want equality, I realise that LGBT issues are way down the list of national priorities. And I don't live in this country most of the year; looking at the situation from abroad, competent and moderate leadership helps me a lot more than soaring speeches and empty legislative records.

    I mean, really. When people have to refer to what you did in law school as part of your CV and you're running for president, it should be obvious that experience is lacking.

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    Feb 29, 2008 6:40 AM GMT
    potkettleblack saidI voted for Hillary. I find Obama's appealing to the gay community disingenuous considering the pastor of his church is rabidly anti-gay, he's had anti-gay speakers at his events and he's just full of shit generally.

    Go Hillary, you can still win it!


    An anti-gay pastor of a United Church of Christ congregation? I find that hard to believe. Now, if you're talking about Donnie McClurkin, that's not the pastor of Obama's church. Having watched the Logo debate regarding gay issues, I know where both stand, and if they want to change what they've said now to get votes, I expect it; they're politicians.

    Barack has only a couple more points in his favor, to me. I have my differences with both. And! I'd still be happy with either one. Hillary just needs to take her estrogen pills before the next debate and save the venom for McCain, should she win the Democratic nomination.
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    Feb 29, 2008 6:41 AM GMT
    I also believe hillary is best for economic reasons as well. Why would you vote for McCain? Ugh. He's just another George Bush Clone. We are on the verge of a recession and i am not looking forward to being a part of that. I stick by my girl Hillary! John would keep everything as it is. And some....