pouncer> the member states currently within the League turn out to be 20. Compare with Western or Christian or NATO nations who need not form any confederation at all - such is their hegemony
Really? The NATO nations don't have a confederation like... NATO?
You've never heard of the EU?!
Or UAR?You didn't read the OP or watch the video [and thus didn't know which King Abdullah was being discussed]?!
pouncer> [avoided]Propagandists like pouncer view any topic as a pretense and forum to bash Israel/Jews, that's the limited depth of their topic.
p> King Abdullah is a Jew/Israeli?
Completely disengenuous, like all your arguments. Abdullah is mentioned once in your lengthy post. Israel 15 times. Jew 12 times. Your inability to address a topic in its place is why you have become one of the most ignored people on RJ.They aren't "Jew-only". In the topic about Gay Palestinian Arabs, we've learned that one found refuge in a "settlement".
p> Why was he looking for "refuge"?
Because his Arab family wanted to kill him because he was gay.
There is no rule or requirement making the "settlements" "Jew-only".
That is yet another false propaganda sound-bite/slogan.
Meant to misinform the reader, in this case other members of RJ.Odd that those who denounce the alleged "Jews-only towns" overlook the surrounding Arab-only (no Jews allowed) towns.
Recall that all Jews were ethnically cleansed from Judea & Samaria when it became Trans-Jordan's "West Bank".
p> More lies (there are no Arab-only towns in the West Bank) and diversions
How many Jews lived anywhere in Judea, Samaria or Gaza between 1948-1967? 0.
How many Jews live in Gaza or in the areas of the "West Bank" under PA rule? 0.
p> And if "ethnic cleansing" 60 years ago is going to factor into the 2010 negotiations then it has to cut both ways.
Who said anything about 60 years ago? We are looking at where people are NOW.
(Not to mention that you advocate "no fault" war.
Czechs did return to the Sudetenland, Germans - who started and lost the war - did not.)It strikes me that pouncer is the type of guy who would rush to point out the "colored-only drinking fountain" while ignoring that all the rest of them were "white only".
p> Disgusting slander meant to conjure images of off-topic anti-black bigotry in the United States.
There is no "slander". It is you who routinely focus on minor alleged Israeli violations while ignoring the sea of real and egregious violations around it. In this case, you falsely alleged that the "settlements" are "Jew-only" while ignoring that the other 97% of the "West Bank" and 100% of Gaza are "Arab-only" (as are the entire countries of Jordan and Saudi Arabia).
This is exactly like pretending that a black club is racist because most if its patrons (but not all) are black while ignoring that dozens of other establishments are, posted, "white only".Is there something magical about the word "settlement"?
I mean, beyond the soundbite/slogan propaganda value?
p> [no answer]There was no construction freeze in Gaza?
From which Israel fully withdrew 5 years ago?
p> [diversion]The UN has become a court?
p> Of course not. But why is this international organization to be believed over the causes of the Lebanon/Israel border dispute in August
So why did you pretend that "guilt" was established?
Oh, that's right. It was just another vacuous propaganda soundbite/slogan.
The difference isn't in the organization but how the investigation is done. In the Lebanon/Israel border incident UN observers were eye-witnesses and involved in events leading up to it. This is very different from the "investigation" you reference, where the conclusions were reached first and then a pro-forma "investigation" (including a report of a mere 50 pages) was conducted to support the preconceived notions. If you knew anything about the scientific method, you'd understand why that is biased and faulty. Indeed, due to that commission's lack of credibility, the UN itself is already preparing and conducting another investigation.As pointed out by King Abdullah II, the issue of "settlements" is a red herring.
p> Of what authority is King Abdullah in this conflict?
Obviously of sufficient authority for him to be interviewed by John Stewart (yes, we know, on the Comedy channel) and for the interview to be mentioned on ABC This Week. As well as Metta8 posting this here and samxr saying the King is right (in his typical unnuanced way, while not understanding what the King actually said).
The King is the sovereign of Jordan, which covers 77% of Mandate Palestine and which ruled the "West Bank" for 20 years.
He is a descendent of the Prophet Muhammad (which is a big deal to many in the region).
He is a primary (first hand) source, sitting in on the current rounds of negotiations.
And he's been seen wearing a Star Trek uniform. How cool is that?!
p> Why is it a red herring?
"Construction" is a non-issue (other than to those seeking to undermine the peace process). If you determine the permanent border, what does it then matter? Any construction that takes place in areas that will remain part of Israel are immaterial, and any construction by Israel in areas from which it will withdraw is, well, stupid. Unless Jews aren't ethnically cleansed, in toto, from the future Palestinian Arab state, in which case, again, what does it matter?The party engaging in delay tactics ("running out the clock") is the one constantly storming out of negotiations and demanding a ransom of unilateral concessions to return.
p> [nada]There is no such thing as a "Palestinian right of return".
(As if they get special rights that millions of other refugees weren't entitled to.)
p> In that case - no right of return for Israelis who fled Judea and Samaria. Make up your mind. You can't have it both ways.
I have made no appeal to any "right of return".
The "settlers" are there NOW.