The Rise of the Political Unicorns: The Curious Case of Gay Conservatives

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    Sep 27, 2010 3:58 AM GMT
    Daily Caller:
    http://dailycaller.com/2010/09/25/the-rise-of-the-political-unicorns/

    What strange bedfellows politics makes; take the curious case of gay conservatives. Both the gay left and the professional anti-gay industry in this country would have you believe that the gay community is homogenous. Both the gay left and the anti-gay-for-pay right want Americans to believe that the gay community is uniformly liberal, slavishly loyal to the Democratic Party, and unquestioning in their allegiance to the “progressive” agenda. Both treat the idea of gay conservatives as a novelty, political unicorns. The reality, of course, is nothing near what this political odd couple would have you believe — indeed 27% of self-identified gay and lesbian voters chose John McCain and Sarah Palin in 2008. That’s a figure that translates to roughly 1.7 million gay votes for McCain/Palin. If gay conservatives are unicorns, our herd is huge.



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    The set of Washington-based establishment groups led by the Human Rights Campaign have close ties to the White House and have turned gay righs into a plan of the Democratic Party platform. But last week, a Democratic Congress failed to deliver on President Obama’s campaign promise to repeal the ban on gays in the military, and hasn’t even taken up his promise to repeal the federal ban on same-sex marriage. The realization that their alliance with the Democratic Party has – for the moment – failed to produce key policy shifts is producing a round of finger-pointing and bloodletting inside the traditional gay rights movement, with calls for resignations and turns toward the courts and toward civil disobedience.

    The gay right, meanwhile, has taken its place at the vanguard. Former Republican National Committee Chairman Ken Mehlman used his coming out as gay last month to raise more than $1 million for the legal effort, led in part by former Bush administration Solicitor General Ted Olson, to win a constitutional right to same-sex marriage. The plaintiffs in a California lawsuit in which a district court judge ruled “Don’t ask, don't tell” unconstitutional this year, meanwhile, were the Log Cabin Republicans. And even that traditional gay Republican group is struggling to rebuilt from an internal crisis, they – like establishment Republicans everywhere – face a challenge further right from the ascendant GOProud.
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    Sep 27, 2010 4:04 PM GMT
    fascinating!
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    Sep 27, 2010 11:43 PM GMT
    Gay & conservative dilutes the traditional conservative view. It's actually more likely to liberalize Republicans than a pack of fanatic Democratic gays spewing constant epithets at Republicans.
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    Sep 27, 2010 11:46 PM GMT
    JAKEBENSON saidGay & conservative dilutes the traditional conservative view. It's actually more likely to liberalize Republicans than a pack of fanatic Democratic gays spewing constant epithets at Republicans.


    I believe that more social liberalism is going to happen within the republican party and that it will be more like a european rightwing party one day.
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    Sep 28, 2010 12:01 AM GMT
    Libertarians are perhaps the oldest and most well established wing of the GOP. And yet, they haven't influenced the party since Barry Goldwater. Socially the party is against LGBT rights, use voter suppression of minorities as an election tactic, and do not want woman to have choice. Economically they created huge debt, have no workable strategy to balance the budget. On civil rights they support warrentless wiretapping, extraordinary rendition, use of military tribunals (finally, something the Republicans and Obama can agree on!). I just don't see any influence of a firmly entrenched Republican wing.

    Recall that it was just six years ago that GOP backed voter initiatives banning gay marriage were voted on all over the country. Very few Republicans on the federal level have ever voted with us on a single issue. I would love to see the GOP become socially liberal, as Mr.Twinkie hopes, but I have to wonder if it will be in my lifetime.
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    Sep 28, 2010 1:03 AM GMT
    MunchingZombie said use voter suppression of minorities as an election tactic.

    Care to back this up?
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    JAKEBENSON saidGay & conservative dilutes the traditional conservative view. It's actually more likely to liberalize Republicans than a pack of fanatic Democratic gays spewing constant epithets at Republicans.


    I believe that more social liberalism is going to happen within the republican party and that it will be more like a european rightwing party one day.



    Then they will lose every election cycle as the gay-hating religious right base of the party stays home to express it's disgust.
    The religious right has ZERO tolerance for the acceptance of gay rights.

    The Repubs are between a rock and a hard place.
    It's a NO-WIN situation for them.
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    MunchingZombie saidLibertarians are perhaps the oldest and most well established wing of the GOP. And yet, they haven't influenced the party since Barry Goldwater. Socially the party is against LGBT rights, use voter suppression of minorities as an election tactic, and do not want woman to have choice. Economically they created huge debt, have no workable strategy to balance the budget. On civil rights they support warrentless wiretapping, extraordinary rendition, use of military tribunals (finally, something the Republicans and Obama can agree on!). I just don't see any influence of a firmly entrenched Republican wing.

    Recall that it was just six years ago that GOP backed voter initiatives banning gay marriage were voted on all over the country. Very few Republicans on the federal level have ever voted with us on a single issue. I would love to see the GOP become socially liberal, as Mr.Twinkie hopes, but I have to wonder if it will be in my lifetime.



    Your comment is right on.
    A reality dose that those gays who are right-wing apologists refuse to accept.
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    Sep 28, 2010 1:17 AM GMT
    riddler78 saidDaily Caller:
    http://dailycaller.com/2010/09/25/the-rise-of-the-political-unicorns/

    What strange bedfellows politics makes; take the curious case of gay conservatives. Both the gay left and the professional anti-gay industry in this country would have you believe that the gay community is homogenous. Both the gay left and the anti-gay-for-pay right want Americans to believe that the gay community is uniformly liberal, slavishly loyal to the Democratic Party, and unquestioning in their allegiance to the “progressive” agenda. Both treat the idea of gay conservatives as a novelty, political unicorns. The reality, of course, is nothing near what this political odd couple would have you believe — indeed 27% of self-identified gay and lesbian voters chose John McCain and Sarah Palin in 2008. That’s a figure that translates to roughly 1.7 million gay votes for McCain/Palin. If gay conservatives are unicorns, our herd is huge.



    Politico: They're gay, conservative and proud
    http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0910/42711.html

    The set of Washington-based establishment groups led by the Human Rights Campaign have close ties to the White House and have turned gay righs into a plan of the Democratic Party platform. But last week, a Democratic Congress failed to deliver on President Obama’s campaign promise to repeal the ban on gays in the military, and hasn’t even taken up his promise to repeal the federal ban on same-sex marriage. The realization that their alliance with the Democratic Party has – for the moment – failed to produce key policy shifts is producing a round of finger-pointing and bloodletting inside the traditional gay rights movement, with calls for resignations and turns toward the courts and toward civil disobedience.

    The gay right, meanwhile, has taken its place at the vanguard. Former Republican National Committee Chairman Ken Mehlman used his coming out as gay last month to raise more than $1 million for the legal effort, led in part by former Bush administration Solicitor General Ted Olson, to win a constitutional right to same-sex marriage. The plaintiffs in a California lawsuit in which a district court judge ruled “Don’t ask, don't tell” unconstitutional this year, meanwhile, were the Log Cabin Republicans. And even that traditional gay Republican group is struggling to rebuilt from an internal crisis, they – like establishment Republicans everywhere – face a challenge further right from the ascendant GOProud.




    All this fantasy is exposed as bs by the facts.

    Every single Repub senator voted against the Repeal of DADT.
    The "new" Republican "Pledge to America" explicitly opposes gay rights, just like the official platform of the Republican party.

    If even just a few Republicans had voted to repeal DADT, it would have gotten done.
    But, NO.
    Every single Republican voted against equal rights for gay members of the miltary.

    The Repubs side with the gay-hating religious right base of their party and against equal rights for gay Americans.
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    Sep 28, 2010 1:19 AM GMT
    The idea that these people are vying for civil rights that are being adamantly withheld by the people they're voting for makes it perplexing.
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    Sep 28, 2010 6:21 AM GMT
    socalfitness said
    MunchingZombie said use voter suppression of minorities as an election tactic.

    Care to back this up?


    Sure. Additionally, you can read about the storied career of Hans Von Spakovsky.
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    Sep 28, 2010 6:29 AM GMT
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    socalfitness said
    MunchingZombie said use voter suppression of minorities as an election tactic.

    Care to back this up?


    Sure. Additionally, you can read about the storied career of Hans Von Spakovsky.

    Many of the charges of voter suppression of minorities result from attempts to counter voter fraud. That is clear in many of the cases in your reference. There is a legitimate need to counter fraud, especially after the many charges in various states of fraud committed by organizations supporting Democrats. Acorn is a famous example. Democrats have consistently resisted voter identification even in cases where teams would go to homes and provide the identification for free.

    So if you want to characterize, which was your attempt, Republicans as supporting voter suppression of minorities, with the same honesty you might characterize Democrats as supporting voter fraud.
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    Sep 28, 2010 6:53 AM GMT
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    socalfitness said There is a legitimate need to counter fraud, especially after the many charges in various states of fraud committed by organizations supporting Democrats. Acorn is a famous example. Democrats have consistently resisted voter identification even in cases where teams would go to homes and provide the identification for free.

    So if you want to characterize, which was your attempt, Republicans as supporting voter suppression of minorities, with the same honesty you might characterize Democrats as supporting voter fraud.

    This is simply a lie. There is no evidence of the famous "Acorn voter fraud". This is a pure example of a Goebbels propaganda "big lie" that has been told so many times that people like you believe it.

    Cases of minority suppression by Republicans, however, are both common and well-documented, particularly in the South. Florida has seen these efforts in the past three major elections, though there were cases in Virginia as well (as when students were mailed notices falsely informing them that they could not vote in the towns where they went to college, notices that were traced to Republican firms). There were also cases in which minority neighborhoods were blanketed with cards and flyers claiming that due to the extraordinarily large expected turnout for the 2008 elections, voting in some areas would be conducted on Wednesday instead of Tuesday.

    The fact that you keep putting your fingers in your ears and chanting "Acorn Acorn Acorn" speaks to your complete moral degeneracy.

    If you Google "acorn voter fraud convictions", you will maybe wise up, but I doubt it. southbeach is really right on the money about you.
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    Sep 28, 2010 7:09 AM GMT
    socalfitness saidIf you Google "acorn voter fraud convictions", you will maybe wise up, but I doubt it. southbeach is really right on the money about what your are.


    If you google voter suppression or Hans Von Spakovsky it would be pretty clear. But you are getting lost in the weeds and ignoring the larger point.
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    Sep 28, 2010 7:24 AM GMT
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    socalfitness saidIf you Google "acorn voter fraud convictions", you will maybe wise up, but I doubt it. southbeach is really right on the money about what your are.


    If you google voter suppression or Hans Von Spakovsky it would be pretty clear. But you are getting lost in the weeds and ignoring the larger point.

    There are examples of both voter suppression and voter fraud, committed by people tightly or loosely allied with both political parties. The larger point I was pushing is for a balanced view.
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    Sep 28, 2010 7:39 AM GMT
    socalfitness said
    MunchingZombie said
    socalfitness saidIf you Google "acorn voter fraud convictions", you will maybe wise up, but I doubt it. southbeach is really right on the money about what your are.


    If you google voter suppression or Hans Von Spakovsky it would be pretty clear. But you are getting lost in the weeds and ignoring the larger point.

    There are examples of both voter suppression and voter fraud, committed by people tightly or loosely allied with both political parties. The larger point I was pushing is for a balanced view.


    But that serves no purpose... you are lost in the weeds.

    Carry on.
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    Sep 28, 2010 7:46 AM GMT
    Right, I am lost in the woods because I think there is a value to having a balanced view. But I do understand what you say - It serves no purpose having a balanced view when you are intent on pushing a partisan agenda. Fair enough. Good evening.
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    Sep 28, 2010 10:22 AM GMT
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    JAKEBENSON saidGay & conservative dilutes the traditional conservative view. It's actually more likely to liberalize Republicans than a pack of fanatic Democratic gays spewing constant epithets at Republicans.


    I believe that more social liberalism is going to happen within the republican party and that it will be more like a european rightwing party one day.



    Then they will lose every election cycle as the gay-hating religious right base of the party stays home to express it's disgust.
    The religious right has ZERO tolerance for the acceptance of gay rights.

    The Repubs are between a rock and a hard place.
    It's a NO-WIN situation for them.


    You said it Rick. And I dont know how anyone can be gay and call themselves a Conservative. Conservatives just want to do harm to us.


    Only to bolshevik bois is it harmful to believe in limited Constitutional government, free market capitalism, a strong defense, and individual liberty.

    It's failed bolshevik boi statism that is harmful to the freedom and prosperity of all Americans. It's encouraging to see that a growing minority of gay men may see that Obama is a fraud and that the radical gay agenda is of less importance than the country going to hell under Obama-Pelosi-Reid.
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    Sep 28, 2010 2:09 PM GMT
    Lots of good points in this thread and I think there is justifiable evidnece on both ends of voter fraud and suppression. It really does make me a little upset to see that there was really no resolution in the Black Panther case as that was blatant. So many Americans these days see things through rose colored glasses, they see what they want to see and nothing else. Like many in gov't, there is a growing trend of idealogues in this Country which makes it hard to find compromise.

    I don't know if this makes sense to some but as a gay fiscal conservative (and believe me I know tons of closeted gay conservatives) I don't always see things through a gay mans lens. I care deeply about equal rights and do as much as I can for the cause but I also care about my country and the direction it is going. I do not agree with many policies that this administration (and some of the last) has adopted. I am working overtime to help provide for my parents who both cannot find work. My world views are also different than that of our president. I do not vote strictly Democratic just because some say they support gay rights, because I disagree with so many other policies they hold. Same goes for some conservatives who I do not agree with.

    I just don't think it is fair to box everyone into making voting choices soley by race or sexuality. I know my parents and some good friends of mine who are Black who admit to voting for Obama because of race who now regret that decision. I always pose this question to people: If Bush had strongly backed Gay rights would you vote for him eventhough you disagreed with every other policy of his? I wouldn't, and I have faith that that with time we shall see Gays gain equal rights.

    Society has come so far in the last few decades and I believe it will be the people and not our Government that will bring upon the change we want!
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    rioriz saidLots of good points in this thread and I think there is justifiable evidnece on both ends of voter fraud and suppression. It really does make me a little upset to see that there was really no resolution in the Black Panther case as that was blatant. So many Americans these days see things through rose colored glasses, they see what they want to see and nothing else. Like many in gov't, there is a growing trend of idealogues in this Country which makes it hard to find compromise.

    I don't know if this makes sense to some but as a gay fiscal conservative (and believe me I know tons of closeted gay conservatives) I don't always see things through a gay mans lens. I care deeply about equal rights and do as much as I can for the cause but I also care about my country and the direction it is going. I do not agree with many policies that this administration (and some of the last) has adopted. I am working overtime to help provide for my parents who both cannot find work. My world views are also different than that of our president. I do not vote strictly Democratic just because some say they support gay rights, because I disagree with so many other policies they hold. Same goes for some conservatives who I do not agree with.

    I just don't think it is fair to box everyone into making voting choices soley by race or sexuality. I know my parents and some good friends of mine who are Black who admit to voting for Obama because of race who now regret that decision. I always pose this question to people: If Bush had strongly backed Gay rights would you vote for him eventhough you disagreed with every other policy of his? I wouldn't, and I have faith that that with time we shall see Gays gain equal rights.

    Society has come so far in the last few decades and I believe it will be the people and not our Government that will bring upon the change we want!

    This is one of the best posts I have read in a long time. Many gays on the fence politically should print this and read it often.
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    JAKEBENSON saidGay & conservative dilutes the traditional conservative view. It's actually more likely to liberalize Republicans than a pack of fanatic Democratic gays spewing constant epithets at Republicans.


    I believe that more social liberalism is going to happen within the republican party and that it will be more like a european rightwing party one day.


    This is a nice thought, but it's not at all clear what you mean by "like a right wing European party"?

    Europe is extremely complicated politically, and politics in one country don't translate easily into other countries. I know Republicans who cheered for Mr Sarkozy, for instance, who were astonished that he's still at heart a dirigiste. Any Republican on here would be amazed that the British Conservative party, despite planning a large series of cutbacks in public spending [which the Republicans prefer to merely plan to do] do not question the existence of the welfare state, and won't cut funding to the NHS. And then there are the likes of Le Pen, Geert Wilders, etc, whom I think you would have no wish to be in the US.

    In actuality I think the problems and history of the US are so different to those of Europe that European responses/politics could not work: they would be utterly unintelligible to American voters.
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    Sep 28, 2010 3:26 PM GMT
    lol, in the last federal election (and the one before it) we voted Conservative. But then, they, unlike their American counterparts, know how to separate religion from state and do so. If we lived down there we would not be voting conservative.

    -Doug

    PS there are a lot more reasons for not voting Republican than sex orientation or colour. To state most gays do so is disingenuous.

    Try this one: reduced government when it comes to regulating business, but boosted governance when it comes to what goes on in your bedroom and your romantic life, and for a woman, her body. Big fat no vote.



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    socalfitness said There is a legitimate need to counter fraud, especially after the many charges in various states of fraud committed by organizations supporting Democrats. Acorn is a famous example...


    This is simply a lie. There is no evidence of the famous "Acorn voter fraud". This is a pure example of a Goebbels propaganda "big lie" that has been told so many times that people like you believe it.

    The fact that you keep putting your fingers in your ears and chanting "Acorn Acorn Acorn" speaks to your complete moral degeneracy.


    When it comes to the big lie, you can count on the bolshevik bois.

    For those who prefer reality, documentation that Acorn is or was under investigation for voter fraud in 15 states is easy to find. From the New York Post..

    Let every vote count, is the Democratic Party's mantra these days. That slogan might better be: Let every vote count as often as we need to win.

    Such, at any rate, are the tactics of ACORN, Barack Obama's favorite "community organizers," and its Project Vote - of which, the Democratic presidential candidate has boasted, "I started working as the director . . . here in Chicago."

    ACORN has been implicated in voter-fraud schemes in 15 states - including Ohio, from where The Post's Jeane MacIntosh reports today that a Board of Elections investigation has unearthed evidence of widespread voter fraud.

    Two voters told MacIntosh they had been dragooned by ACORN activists into registering several times - one reporting having signed up "10 to 15" times.


    Smug, arrogant, and out-of-touch -- that's the bolshevik bois.


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    socalfitness said There is a legitimate need to counter fraud, especially after the many charges in various states of fraud committed by organizations supporting Democrats. Acorn is a famous example...


    This is simply a lie. There is no evidence of the famous "Acorn voter fraud". This is a pure example of a Goebbels propaganda "big lie" that has been told so many times that people like you believe it.

    The fact that you keep putting your fingers in your ears and chanting "Acorn Acorn Acorn" speaks to your complete moral degeneracy.


    When it comes to the big lie, you can count on the bolshevik bois.

    For those who prefer reality, documentation that Acorn is or was under investigation for voter fraud in 15 states is easy to find. From the New York Post..

    Let every vote count, is the Democratic Party's mantra these days. That slogan might better be: Let every vote count as often as we need to win.

    Such, at any rate, are the tactics of ACORN, Barack Obama's favorite "community organizers," and its Project Vote - of which, the Democratic presidential candidate has boasted, "I started working as the director . . . here in Chicago."

    ACORN has been implicated in voter-fraud schemes in 15 states - including Ohio, from where The Post's Jeane MacIntosh reports today that a Board of Elections investigation has unearthed evidence of widespread voter fraud.

    Two voters told MacIntosh they had been dragooned by ACORN activists into registering several times - one reporting having signed up "10 to 15" times.


    Smug, arrogant, and out-of-touch -- that's the bolshevik bois.




    A ridiculous non-argument. The majority of voter registration is done a) either by volunteers or b) workers paid by the number of people they register. This is not atypical of voter registration drives. It also doesn't constitute fraud on the part of the sponsoring organization. Voting fraud occurs at the polls, not during registration.
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    Sep 30, 2010 4:36 AM GMT
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    rioriz saidLots of good points in this thread and I think there is justifiable evidnece on both ends of voter fraud and suppression. It really does make me a little upset to see that there was really no resolution in the Black Panther case as that was blatant. So many Americans these days see things through rose colored glasses, they see what they want to see and nothing else. Like many in gov't, there is a growing trend of idealogues in this Country which makes it hard to find compromise.

    I don't know if this makes sense to some but as a gay fiscal conservative (and believe me I know tons of closeted gay conservatives) I don't always see things through a gay mans lens. I care deeply about equal rights and do as much as I can for the cause but I also care about my country and the direction it is going. I do not agree with many policies that this administration (and some of the last) has adopted. I am working overtime to help provide for my parents who both cannot find work. My world views are also different than that of our president. I do not vote strictly Democratic just because some say they support gay rights, because I disagree with so many other policies they hold. Same goes for some conservatives who I do not agree with.

    I just don't think it is fair to box everyone into making voting choices soley by race or sexuality. I know my parents and some good friends of mine who are Black who admit to voting for Obama because of race who now regret that decision. I always pose this question to people: If Bush had strongly backed Gay rights would you vote for him eventhough you disagreed with every other policy of his? I wouldn't, and I have faith that that with time we shall see Gays gain equal rights.

    Society has come so far in the last few decades and I believe it will be the people and not our Government that will bring upon the change we want!

    This is one of the best posts I have read in a long time. Many gays on the fence politically should print this and read it often.



    There are ZERO reasons to be "on the fence politically".
    The Repubs wrecked the economy, quadrupled the National Debt, started a 3 trillion dollar war based on lies and botched it, passed a prescription drug bill that is 100% unpaid for, did nothing to prevent or try to deal with a housing crisis that hit on their watch, waited til it was too late to try to deal with a banking crisis that hit on their watch, passed bloated pork barrel deficit busting yearly budget after bloated pork barrel deficit busting yearly budget, lost 6 million jobs BEFORE Obama was elected, etc, etc.
    The Republican job performance for at least the last decade is as bad as it gets.
    PLUS, the Repubs have offered NO new ideas or proposals.
    They just want to continue their same failed agenda.

    There is NO reason why any sane unbiased non-partisan person who knows the facts and isn't totally brainwashed by right-wing bs would vote for a Republican.
    The anti-gay bias of the Repubs is just a minor side issue reason to NOT vote for more of the same tired old failed Repub policies.