Atheists, agnostics most knowledgeable about religion, survey says

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    Sep 28, 2010 4:02 PM GMT
    Report says nonbelievers know more, on average, about religion than most faithful. Jews and Mormons also score high on the U.S. Religious Knowledge Survey.

    http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-religion-survey-20100928,0,3225238.story

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    Sep 28, 2010 4:09 PM GMT
    I just read about this on CNN. Their online "quiz" (not the same one as reported in the study) was basic knowledge...got 10/10 obviously.

    Kinda goes to show how some people value the Bible as sacred writ BECAUSE (not despite the fact that) they don't understand or know the Bible well.
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    Sep 28, 2010 4:13 PM GMT
    q1w2e3 saidI just read about this on CNN. Their online "quiz" (not the same one as reported in the study) was basic knowledge...got 10/10 obviously.

    Kinda goes to show how some people value the Bible as sacred writ BECAUSE (not despite the fact that) they don't understand or know the Bible well.


    Why? Just because...
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    Sep 28, 2010 4:22 PM GMT
    No surprises there. Few self-proclaimed "Christians" ever read the Bible. atheists, do (or did) - which is why we are atheists.

    (as the Johovah's Witness discovered to her shock as I began pulling out Bibles - showing her quotes .

    I asked her to sit with me a moment while i tirned to the Book of Matthew in HER Bible. (we sat and counted the "14" generations Matthew listed, linking Jesus to David.)

    I asked how how many names are listed?

    Uh.. "thirteen"

    "Is 13 =14?"

    "Of course not."

    "So Matthew got it wrong?"

    "well it is how you interpret...."

    "what's to interpret?. He says clearly there are 14 generations,then lists 13. No interpretation necessary. 13 is not 14, is it?" "Isn't that just a mistake?"


    Now let's turn here to Jesus Isaiah. Now look - here here is the quote Jesus is talking about - right here. - Which prophet is saying it? He is attributing it to the wrong prophet! It is right here in front of you in the |Inerrant Word of God." You just told me it was.


    So the Son of God with His Divine Knowledge got it Wrong?

    (remember as a child, Jesus is said to have "instructed" the priests in the Temple and "amazed them.?"

    She knew of that story.

    Then I asked her to find it in the Bible. |She said "I can get back to you on that."

    I told her not to waste to much time looking for it. It is not in there. The Gospels start with His Ministry.

    Then i started on the Birth story and the flight into Egypt - the story of the Spider in the cave, whose web hid the Divine Family from the soldiers sent to find Them.

    Then I pulled out an book on Islam - thaty had the EXACT same story - only now it is about ohommed (PBUH)!


    It was actually a very gentle and friendly conversation. But I suggested perhaps she should READ the book closely before she decides to govern her sense of morality.





    (PBUH) is not a noise of derision. it means "Praise be Upon Him" and is supposwed to me written anytime the prophet is named or you write his name.

    So why do I do it?

    Out of consideration for believers.
    Just as I still capitalize He and Him to refer to Jesus Christ.

    I need not share beliefs, but I it costs nothing to be respectful and considerate - though I will explain (gently) WHY I do not want to them proselytize a moral code based on a demonstrably flawed document - if you take th time to just READ it.
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    Sep 28, 2010 4:28 PM GMT
    It gets down to folks that have false belief systems lacking any level of critical thinking skills and the ability to examine things around them. They "conform" to be part of the false belief system despite it being beyond irrational. That's why you can't talk to them. They aren't rational to begin with. That's why they're able to sign up for the cult / false belief system.

    It's the classic example of conformance theory and the pack mentality showing that even when there is no rational basis for a belief (pick your false belief) folks will go along with it.

    Humans have LONG way to go. Don't believe me? Spend a day in Texas.

    Non-believers are more informed as a consequence of the way that they have critical thinking skills and make informed, objective, observations of The World around them. They're simply better thinkers with better thinking skills who make have more informed beliefs, views, and judgments. In short, they analyze, and think for themselves, removed from conformance theory / pack mentality, and have the courage to say, "No, this is nonsense."

    Many folks who claim to believe, of course, don't, and only say so because they fear the cult / pack.
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    Sep 28, 2010 4:30 PM GMT
    UpperCanadian saidNo surprises there. Few self-proclaimed "Christians" ever read the Bible. WE atheists, do (or did) - which is why we are atheists.


    I <3 YOU.

    I sent the article to a bunch of my co-workers, all of their responses were "Well, duh" including a couple of Mormons.
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    Sep 28, 2010 5:49 PM GMT
    The first guy I ever dated was a born-again Christian. We used to have the strangest arguments. He once said that those who weren't baptized and who didn't accept Jesus Christ as their personal savior would go to Hell. I asked him what would happen to an unbaptized baby that died in a place that didn't know about Jesus Christ and he said the baby would go to Hell. I said, "Do you really believe in a God that would send a baby to Hell for something like that?" His response was, "That's the Devil talking through you." Obviously our relationship didn't last very long....he eventually tried to become heterosexual and joined an ex-gay organization.
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    Sep 28, 2010 6:05 PM GMT
    Yep, many folks that are into cults / false belief systems / religious have no ability, whatsoever, to think clearly.
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    Sep 28, 2010 6:23 PM GMT
    As Herr Nietzsche would say:

    Not too deep.-- People who comprehend a thing to its very depths rarely stay faithful to it forever. For they have brought its depths into the light of day: and in the depths there is always much that is unpleasant to see.

    from Nietzsche's Human, all too Human, s.489, R.J. Hollingdale transl.
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    Sep 28, 2010 11:17 PM GMT
    The thing that turned me to skepticism was realizing I was only a Christian because of the sheer accident of where I was born geographically.

    Also, would an omnipotent, omnibenevolent, and omnipresent deity place my eternal salvation in the hands of fallible human beings (e.g. religion has to be taught to us by other humans)? Would this deity leave it's religion in the hands of humans? I highly doubt it.
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    Sep 28, 2010 11:44 PM GMT
    Haha .... the more you know about fables and fairytales the more you know they can't be for real


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    Sep 28, 2010 11:55 PM GMT
    UpperCanadian said
    (remember as a child, Jesus is said to have "instructed" the priests in the Temple and "amazed them.?"

    She knew of that story.

    Then I asked her to find it in the Bible. |She said "I can get back to you on that."

    Actually, it is, Luke 2:47

    I only know it, because in our book-group we just read and discussed the gospels. We are working our way through the bible and will start reading the Koran next month.

    And, yes, reading the bible, so far, did not bring me any closer to believing. Au contraire.
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    Sep 29, 2010 12:04 AM GMT
    I took the mini quiz and got 10 out of 10. My friend at the PEW center sent me the real thing. I aced the real thing.

    I think alot of it should be tought simply to help people understand other cultures.

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    Sep 29, 2010 12:14 AM GMT
    I do not find this surprising at all. Most atheists are atheists because, having looked at the evidence, they find religion to be a crock of s**t. Most people who claim to be religious are simply following a parental or community lead and have no idea what their religion says or means.
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    Sep 29, 2010 12:58 AM GMT
    Its not a surprise to me that atheists and agnostics know more about religion, they arrive at that conclusion not by accident.

    I go to church on sundays, I am not religious but I am spiritual and scientific. but I'm not a scientologist lol

    I like the 10 piece rock band in this modern progressive church, the message the pastor delivers always has relevance to my life, and I learn something new each week about myself and others.

    Overall it makes me feel like I am evolving into a better person.

    Scientifically I am interested in quantum physics and consciousness. and how consciousness may be woven into the fabric of space time...

    http://www.quantumconsciousness.org/
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    Sep 29, 2010 12:59 AM GMT
    AvadaKedavra saidReport says nonbelievers know more, on average, about religion than most faithful. Jews and Mormons also score high on the U.S. Religious Knowledge Survey.

    http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-religion-survey-20100928,0,3225238.story

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    Sep 29, 2010 1:11 AM GMT
    This was also covered in The New York Times:
    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/28/us/28religion.html?_r=1&src=ISMR_HP_LO_MST_FB
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    Sep 29, 2010 1:25 AM GMT
    no surprises here about atheists and agnostics. i'm actually surprised that so-called "christians" who cite leviticus and condemn homosexuality and gay marriage know nothing about the story of jonathan and david. nor do they know that leviticus is part of the "old law".
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    Sep 29, 2010 3:48 AM GMT
    I mentioned in another thread on this topic that this poll looks fishy.

    There is a great deal of bias in this poll. The US has an absolutely minuscule portion of self-identified Atheists. I don't think the numbers would play out quite the same way in another country where there are many more Atheists and education is better.

    The poll.
    It turns out only 1% of the people they spoke to even identified as Atheist. Only 1% identified as Jewish. Only 2% identified as Mormon. That is a pretty underwhelming portion of the survey. If they were interested in getting an accurate result they would have had a better sample.

    That said, lulz!
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    Sep 29, 2010 3:54 AM GMT
    My parent's pastor called me the Catholic Church's worst enemy. I was trained to be a priest from freshman year of high school through senior year college.

    Look at me now...
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    Sep 29, 2010 3:55 AM GMT
    Not surprised. A lot of atheists study religion much more heavily than religious people. However, some only do it so they can seem knowledgeable on the subject when making ten-minute, neckbeard-stroking rants about it on YouTube icon_razz.gif what, you know that's true.
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    Sep 29, 2010 4:24 AM GMT
    AvadaKedavra> Report says nonbelievers know more, on average, about religion than most faithful. Jews and Mormons also score high on the U.S. Religious Knowledge Survey.

    Yay! As an atheist Jew I must be... represented by 0.01% of the people polled.
    (Thanks, MZ, for raining on our parade. (: )


    Mil8> I do not find this surprising at all. Most atheists are atheists because, having looked at the evidence, they find religion to be a crock of s**t. Most people who claim to be religious are simply following a parental or community lead and have no idea what their religion says or means.

    Yup. Either you are a critical thinker... or a sheep.

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    Sep 29, 2010 4:36 AM GMT
    I think it's rare that an atheist studies religion (particularly so he can stroke some aforementioned beard or something like that). Most (true, born to an atheist family) couldn't care less about religions.

    However, what usually happens to the student of religion is that they become an atheist after the fact. It's the knowledge that's damning.

    I suspect the best way to keep people invested in your religion is to mete out the knowledge, never encouraging full participation with, you know, reading.
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    Sep 29, 2010 4:48 AM GMT
    Sorry, but if this was 1850, you could accuse someone of claiming to be a Christian of being a sheep but in 2010, when Christians are downright hated, that argument loses power. Brainwashed by their church/leader, yes. Sheep, no. You'd have to go along with the majority to be a sheep and at this time in history the majority are not Christian and Christians are despised(for right or wrong). You need to shift your argument to suit the times. If the internet is any indication, Christians are definitely the minority. Critical thinkers are in the minority only because most people are stupid. But Christians are also in the minority. I'm not talking about people who were "born" into the religion. I'm talking about people who actually believe in the religion.
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    Sep 29, 2010 5:05 AM GMT
    muscles4muscles saidSorry, but if this was 1850, you could accuse someone of claiming to be a Christian of being a sheep but in 2010, when Christians are downright hated, that argument loses power. Brainwashed by their church/leader, yes. Sheep, no. You'd have to go along with the majority to be a sheep and at this time in history the majority are not Christian and Christians are despised...


    I'm having trouble understanding your claim. Minority? Have you seen this survey:

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