How many people are racist and don't know it

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    Sep 29, 2010 12:01 AM GMT
    Racism? From the TV show What Would You Do? Man Stealing Bike In Park! (Different Reactions When They Changed Race From White to Black)



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    Sep 29, 2010 12:11 AM GMT
    Wow! That was totally ... if you will pardon the expression ... black and white in the response of the passersby.
  • jperfit

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    Sep 29, 2010 5:23 AM GMT
    Most whites react based on race, it is something that is locked within the subconcious.
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    Sep 29, 2010 5:25 AM GMT
    Few (short of the real hard core) consider themselves racists.
    I'm no Archie Bunker one might say.
    And Archie Bunker would explain that he's no KKK member.

    It's a bit like the definition of "slut" (someone who has more sex than you do).
    A racist is someone with more biases and prejudices than you have.
    And, of course, we all have our reasons/rationalizations for our biases and prejudices.

    If you don't have any biases/prejudices, great. (But, really?!)
    The challenge is to identify these biases/prejudices and not to succumb to them.
  • Vaughn

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    Sep 29, 2010 5:29 AM GMT
    https://implicit.harvard.edu/implicit/demo/selectatest.html

    Implicit Attitude go down to the weapons IAT.
  • Sparkycat

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    Sep 29, 2010 5:32 AM GMT
    Well, my impression is that many blacks assume whites are racist, which is a seriously racist attitude.
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    Sep 29, 2010 5:35 AM GMT
    Thank you for posting this video.
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    Sep 29, 2010 5:35 AM GMT
    I grew up in an almost all white suburb. The only black people I saw were the criminals featured in the news. I would like to think that I am not racist, but there has been so much cultural influence that it is difficult to escape its influence.

    I think the important thing is to try and be aware of one's own bias and work through it. I know a lot of people with a similar upbringing believe that they are beyond out culture's racism and are well intentioned, but it is impossible to exorcise these demons without self-examination.
  • dfrourke

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    Sep 29, 2010 5:40 AM GMT
    Thanks for sharing this video...

    I can't say that I am surprised by the findings, but I am disappointed.

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  • beaujangle

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    Sep 29, 2010 5:44 AM GMT
    sxydrkhair said
    Sparkycat saidWell, my impression is that many blacks assume whites are racist, which is a seriously racist attitude.


    I agree with you... Two black ladies was talking about it in the video. It seem like a black actor did really good job or better than a white actor. White actor doesn't seem like he was suspicious.



    No, I think the white actor did a good job in being so calm & confident!
  • MagillaNectar

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    Sep 29, 2010 5:51 AM GMT
    jperfit saidMost whites react based on race, it is something that is locked within the subconcious.


    Subtle but clever joke.

    Everyone is racist. Through logic and reason people can get around it but everyone has that inside of them. It's when people refuse to admit this that it becomes a social problem. There isn't a race or religion or person out there who isn't racist. Like the guy I quoted above. That comment itself is really racist and if he was being serious it'd only prove my point. The moment you can safely say, I am racist is when you can also choose to not make decisions based on it.

    Also, I have a theory racism is a biological defense mechanism in every person. Before civilization, people stuck with their families or clans or whatever (they still do) so it'd made it easier to not trust someone who looks different because they're clearly not part of your family/clan.
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    Sep 29, 2010 5:54 AM GMT
    MunchingZombie saidI grew up in an almost all white suburb. The only black people I saw were the criminals featured in the news. I would like to think that I am not racist, but there has been so much cultural influence that it is difficult to escape its influence.

    I think the important thing is to try and be aware of one's own bias and work through it. I know a lot of people with a similar upbringing believe that they are beyond out culture's racism and are well intentioned, but it is impossible to exorcise these demons without self-examination.


    I agree with this, there are a lot of people who have grown up in mostly white areas, and get ideas about black people by what they see on TV, therefore they have a preconceived notion about what black people are suppose to be like, when in fact they have no idea
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    Sep 29, 2010 5:57 AM GMT
    This reminds me of a Bill Moyers episode about the New Jim Crow by Michele Alexander and there was an interesting part talking about colour coding and how if you say "crackhouse" or "crackden" "crackhead" talk about the drug war the image immediately conjured is that of BLACK addicts and BLACK neighbourhoods. This was designed by people who are on record as having said so.
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    Sep 29, 2010 6:09 AM GMT
    This is disturbing, but I guess I know its true. Anyway, the white actor looked equally as suspicious, he was rapidly looking from side to side. But it is no surprise that white people think the white actor looks more convincing...
  • jperfit

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    Sep 29, 2010 6:11 AM GMT
    MagillaNectar said
    jperfit saidMost whites react based on race, it is something that is locked within the subconcious.


    Subtle but clever joke.

    Everyone is racist. Through logic and reason people can get around it but everyone has that inside of them. It's when people refuse to admit this that it becomes a social problem. There isn't a race or religion or person out there who isn't racist. Like the guy I quoted above. That comment itself is really racist and if he was being serious it'd only prove my point. The moment you can safely say, I am racist is when you can also choose to not make decisions based on it.

    Also, I have a theory racism is a biological defense mechanism in every person. Before civilization, people stuck with their families or clans or whatever (they still do) so it'd made it easier to not trust someone who looks different because they're clearly not part of your family/clan.


    You could analyze any way you want but in simple terms many so called liberal whites look at blacks as being 2nd class citizens that are up to no good, not all but many and yes many blacks look at whites as being racists, is it fair to make such a judgement about everyone NO, but then again many things that happen within the universe isn't always fair is it?
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    Sep 29, 2010 6:31 AM GMT
    I say just get the f*ck over it. If someone's hackin' at a bike chain with a saw, then yeah, you ask what the hell they're doin'. It ain't bein' tamperin' or nosey and it sure as hell ain't racist. It's just usin' some sense and givin' a damn. It's gettin' old as sin, all of the "black people" this, and "white people" that. The dinosaurs in that video who made it all possible with their rather laughable reactions will eventually pass. In the future all that we'll need be concerned with is being so unbiased and unassuming that we won't feel a need to question anything. Use common sense, noone hackin' at a bike chain in a park with a saw should be passed by with indifference. I'm hopin' that one day this shit will be over, and that some "know it all" young adult like myself is preachin' about a reaction like mine to somethin' entirely different from this as a result of so much change and evolution that I fall into some future, crazy category of bigot that don't make a damn bit of sense either.
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    Sep 29, 2010 6:40 AM GMT
    Well this is certainly disturbing.

    That's pretty black and white right there. The white guy was there for several hours with all manners of tools. He had a power tool with him and bolt cutters and was going to town on that bike and he was literally just asked a few questions with no hostility towards him. He even answered the questions with shaky confidence like he wasn't quite sure what he was doing.

    Enter the black guy. Similarly dressed and with the same tools as the white guy. Within minutes he is meet with hostility and force from several people. A lady taking out a camera and snapping pictures, a few people on their cellphones in seconds calling the police, several people questioning him and with some force in their voice and not backing down and making a scene to draw a crowd and finally a guy coming out of nowhere and trying to teach him (the black guy) a lesson and attempting to take his tools. WTF?

    I'm not saying these people are racist. From from it. I would, however, say that their views are slightly clouded and bias based on color and this situation was a pretty good example of it.

    Oh well. Such is life I suppose. Hopefully it gets better.
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    Sep 29, 2010 6:41 AM GMT
    http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2010/09/kill-whitey-its-the-right-thing-to-do/

    Even y'all liberals are racist.
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    Sep 29, 2010 6:44 AM GMT
    I'm not going to watch the OP video as its from World Star HipHop (this site caters mainly to a urban/african american audience) which like this thread uses race-baiting ploys to maintain the division we have as people (especially in the US) where is a "us" vs "them" constantly.

    You all should know well off from a high school class (civics/interpersonal communications) that we prejudge, it's a given characteristic of being a human being. Some people may do it less than others but in other world we all make presumptions on people based on appearances more often than not. Changing the though process is what is ultimately needed.

    I have my own presumptions about people, but it's not because they are white/black/asian or whatever, I really could care less. I care more about what comes out the persons mouth and how they talk. Could be bad or worse, but it's a better factor to base a person off of than skin color.
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    Sep 29, 2010 6:46 AM GMT
    I found the most interesting part to be the number of people who claimed they were "scared" of the white actor- "scared" to get involved. The fact that they were "scared" of him but not the other kid makes you think it was a "cop out." It is possible, and if I say it then it is true and it was not racially motivated...

    So, "scared" was likely just an excuse not to get involved- to give the guy a "pass" or the "benefit of the doubt"- something they were unwilling to extend to the black kid. Interestingly though, while they may have bought into the "more likely to be stealing a bike" idea they have not bought into all of the stereotypes. It may actually be seen as a positive sign that they were willing to confront him (think of the images of knives, guns and gangs.) Could it be that while people are still more suspicious they have lost some of the fear? Could this video actually be proof of society moving forward in some manner rather than only proof that racism still exists?

    Guy101 said...The white guy was there for several hours with all manners of tools....Enter the black guy. Similarly dressed and with the same tools as the white guy. Within minutes he is meet with hostility and force from several people...Hopefully it gets better

    I know that is how it looked- but is there anything on the video that makes you believe that one was there for hours? I know they say "within minutes" but that is kind of a deceptive phrase often used to prove a lie. Within (80) minutes he was confronted. Just leave out the word eighty and you have "within minutes." I also like the part at the end where they one guy assumes the kid lost his keys and helps lift the bike over the sign for him. Too bad that was not featured a little more prominently to give us that hope you wanted for the future...
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    Sep 29, 2010 6:49 AM GMT
    Ricovelas saidI'm not going to watch the OP video as its from World Star HipHop which like this thread uses race-baiting ploys to maintain the division we (this site caters mainly to a urban/african american audience) have as people (especially in the US) where is a "us" vs "them" constantly.

    You all should know well off from a high school class (civics/interpersonal communications) that we prejudge, it's a given characteristic of being a human being. Some people may do it less than others but in other world we all make presumptions on people based on appearances more often than not. Changing the though process is what is ultimately needed.

    I have my own presumptions about people, but it's not because they are white/black/asian or whatever, I really could care less. I care more about what comes out the persons mouth and how they talk. Could be bad or worse, but it's a better factor to base a person off of than skin color.


    If you watch the video, you may not think it is so race baiting. If anything I think the video awakens people to a reality that can be easily addressed if people were aware of it, and this video makes people self aware of the potential for latent racism, in all of us.
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    Sep 29, 2010 6:51 AM GMT
    So what are you saying, west? Are you saying that the white guy seemed more threatening then the black guy thus it made it easier for people to confront the black guy?
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    Sep 29, 2010 6:51 AM GMT
    GHew saidI say just get the f*ck over it. If someone's hackin' at a bike chain with a saw, then yeah, you ask what the hell they're doin'. It ain't bein' tamperin' or nosey and it sure as hell ain't racist. It's just usin' some sense and givin' a damn. It's gettin' old as sin, all of the "black people" this, and "white people" that. The dinosaurs in that video who made it all possible with their rather laughable reactions will eventually pass. In the future all that we'll need be concerned with is being so unbiased and unassuming that we won't feel a need to question anything. Use common sense, noone hackin' at a bike chain in a park with a saw should be passed by with indifference. I'm hopin' that one day this shit will be over, and that some "know it all" young adult like myself is preachin' about a reaction like mine to somethin' entirely different from this as a result of so much change and evolution that I fall into some future, crazy category of bigot that don't make a damn bit of sense either.



    what sort of altered universe u live in? for the most part people are not colored blind and that is not something that is going to change in the near future.
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    Sep 29, 2010 6:52 AM GMT
    People should read the text of this speech on a regular basis.

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    Sep 29, 2010 6:52 AM GMT
    I effing love this show, you can watch it on hulu "What would you do"

    http://www.hulu.com/what-would-you-do