Australia: Greens make first move with same-sex marriage legislation in Senate

  • metta

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    Sep 29, 2010 8:14 AM GMT
    Greens make first move with same-sex marriage legislation in Senate



    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/greens-make-first-move-with-same-sex-marriage-legislation-in-senate/story-fn59niix-1225931687793
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    Sep 29, 2010 1:38 PM GMT
    The Greens have tried this before...

    Unfortunately in Australia they make up around 10% of the vote (it used to be a lot less) and the 2 major parties both have adopted long standing policies advocating marriage as between a man and a woman...

    The federal government has previously repealed pro gay state laws...

    Our only hope is that the vote is put to a conscience vote (rather than a vote along party lines) and even that is unlikely to succeed... even though all reliable polls indicate 60% in favour of gay marriage in the general population...

    The silver lining here though is that the last time the Greens sided with Labor to form a government in Australia was as a State Government in Tasmania and within a couple of years that state changed from the most regressive to one of the most progressive in terms of gay reform...

    Let's just hope history repeats itself on the national scale? We all have our fingers crossed here...
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    Sep 29, 2010 2:05 PM GMT
    ...and we're crossing our fingers for you, 76coopers!

    -Doug and Bill
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    Sep 29, 2010 2:20 PM GMT
    meninlove said...and we're crossing our fingers for you, 76coopers!

    -Doug and Bill


    Thanks guys! Maybe then all my RJ mates from the US will move here and I'll finally get to meet them!
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    Sep 29, 2010 2:31 PM GMT
    76coopers said
    meninlove said...and we're crossing our fingers for you, 76coopers!

    -Doug and Bill


    Thanks guys! Maybe then all my RJ mates from the US will move here and I'll finally get to meet them!


    With those Gary Cooper lips and chin on your wonderful face, how could they not?

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    Sep 29, 2010 8:39 PM GMT
    The head of the Greens Bob Brown, is an out homosexual, with little respect from the people of this county; thats why he will never be in a position of power. This will not go anywhere, if they fail like America and stick to the word marrage, because if we hold a referendum on it, it would never pass under the banner of marrage; civil unions maybe. Now being an Aussie and the fact I love living in a democracy, I'm all for a referendum on this topic; even though I know it want pass. But as a True Blue Aussie homosexual; the real thing. I don't need or want this for Oz; albeit I'm in a 20 year relasionship, neither of us want or need marriage. we are very happy as things stand thank you very much. Also this would do nothing to help Oz be a better county, and when "I" vote "I" vote for the better of my county and not my own selfish wants; Oz comes first.
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    Sep 29, 2010 8:44 PM GMT
    I'm sure our Welsh born new Australian Prime Minister Ms Gillard would not be so foolish to back this either. Because if she is in tune with this country, she will know it's not something many Aussies or Australians want; it's just not Aussie. So I say put it to the vote, and let the voice of the people of Oz speak. If the activist of this country stick to the term: "gay marrage" they will fail.

    I mean to say: just because it may be on the gay left wing american agenda, why should it be on ours? We are not America! Gay activist in this county have already done enough damage, tell em to leave good enough alone.
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    Sep 29, 2010 9:22 PM GMT
    Sorry America. But I'm proude Oz is an ally with the US. You have draged us into many wars and fights, and we as your Allys have been there for you, watched your backs, and been put on the hit list for doing so.

    But.............. please don't drag us into your domestic battles too.
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    Sep 29, 2010 9:30 PM GMT
    Nobody is dragging Australia into the America's domestic battles. The people of Australia are allowing right wing American influence shape your national public policy. It appears that Australia is having the exact same problems with a bigoted, conservative right wing as here in the US. That is very sad because I always thought that Australia was very progressive and gay friendly similar to Spain, Denmark, Canada, Taiwan, and New Zealand. Now I am hearing that Australia unfortunately has a lot of the negative, right wing elements in its politics and society strikingly similar to the US.
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    Sep 29, 2010 9:46 PM GMT
    roadbikeRob saidNobody is dragging Australia into the America's domestic battles. The people of Australia are allowing right wing American influence shape your national public policy. It appears that Australia is having the exact same problems with a bigoted, conservative right wing as here in the US. That is very sad because I always thought that Australia was very progressive and gay friendly similar to Spain, Denmark, Canada, Taiwan, and New Zealand. Now I am hearing that Australia unfortunately has a lot of the negative, right wing elements in its politics and society strikingly similar to the US.


    I can tell you as an Aussie fag. I feel safe and equal here in Oz. Albeit I am 6 generations born to Oz thus True Blue; the real thing, and newcomers born here and who come here, get more rights than I do, a True Blue Aussie; the real thing.

    But sorry I don't feel discriminated, I feel equal! Sorry my 20 year relasionship has nothing to do with getting benefits, and so forth, because then I have to ask: "where is the love in that! Why would a piece of paper make us any better off or happier? How will it help pay the bills?

    Oh and our Welsh born, New Australia Prime Minister Ms. Gillard, is left wing too, and not conservative, and I'm sure she will not back "gay marrage!" Civil Unions maybe. Conservatives in this county have done more for the advancement of oz, than the left wing have. All the left wing do is put us in debt by throwing money at friverles projects, then we have to vote in the conservatives again to get the bills payed off.

    Sorry but I do feel some American's are trying to use us, too drag us into their domestic issues to advance themselves.
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    Sep 29, 2010 10:26 PM GMT

    Tasmania gives legal status to same-sex couples


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    The government says the amendment to the Relationship Act makes Tasmania the first state in Australia to allow lesbian and gay married couples from other jurisdictions to get the same recognition as other significant partnerships under the law.
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    http://sdgln.com/causes/2010/09/29/tasmania-gives-legal-status-same-sex-couples
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    Sep 29, 2010 10:35 PM GMT
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    Tasmania gives legal status to same-sex couples


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    The government says the amendment to the Relationship Act makes Tasmania the first state in Australia to allow lesbian and gay married couples from other jurisdictions to get the same recognition as other significant partnerships under the law.

    http://sdgln.com/causes/2010/09/29/tasmania-gives-legal-status-same-sex-couples[/quote]

    Thats great. So the homosexuals of Oz have the right to move to Tassie, why change Mainland Oz for a minority group when they have that choice in Tassie. But they may of changed a law in Tassie, but not the attatude of Oz. Yet many gays and lesbians from Tassie still move to the mainland, to get something, they can't get in Tassie.

    But.....once they come to the mainland, what legitimacy, does their relasionship status hold here? None I think. No diffrent if an american couple went to Canada to wed, then went back to the US. Their piece of paper beholds no value.
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    Sep 29, 2010 11:00 PM GMT
    Aunty Jack,

    I hope you never have to deal with what friends had to deal with. They were in a relationship for over 18 years. One was killed in an auto accident. The family of the deceased told the living partner at the funeral they would not challenge anything. Lies. As soon as he was buried they filed for ownership of their two homes and finances. My friends did not have legal documents because the "families" were so "accepting" of their relationship. My surviving friend settled for losing one home and some financial amount I do not know. Greed changes a lot.

    Just because you do not want the protection, does not mean others should not want or have the right to protect themselves. Many families are not even "on the surface" accepting. Your protection is only in your mind.

    A shame when gays fight gay equal rights. Civil Unions are second class.

    And I always thought Australia's siding with the US was voluntary. Never knew it was strong-armed.
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    Sep 29, 2010 11:17 PM GMT
    I have many Aussie friends who want the right to get married, in their own country, to the partner of their choosing. They do feel discriminated against.

    Here is the Australian Gay Marriage equality site: http://www.australianmarriageequality.com/

    Overall, Australia is a fairly progressive place, especially in the state capitals. The federal political establishment is backwards, though.
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    Sep 29, 2010 11:30 PM GMT
    dantoujours saidOverall, Australia is a fairly progressive place, especially in the state capitals. The federal political establishment is backwards, though.


    Agreed. Oddly so. We are a nation about giving others a 'fair go' - so why not this? icon_evil.gif
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    Sep 30, 2010 7:39 PM GMT
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    dantoujours saidOverall, Australia is a fairly progressive place, especially in the state capitals. The federal political establishment is backwards, though.


    Agreed. Oddly so. We are a nation about giving others a 'fair go' - so why not this? icon_evil.gif


    Yes but then they come here and use us and abuse us. Time to grow up.

    I myself as a True Blue Aussie poofter. Don't need to stand under the banner of the heterosexual instatution of marrage to feel whole. we are not straight, we are homosexuals and lesbians. The bisexuals already have access to marrage.

    Bring in Civil Unions, and I will back that, albeit, I will "never" partake. As I don't need a peace of paper to be an Aussie, or to feel loved.
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    Oct 01, 2010 10:26 AM GMT
    seanp7 said
    dantoujours saidOverall, Australia is a fairly progressive place, especially in the state capitals. The federal political establishment is backwards, though.


    Agreed. Oddly so. We are a nation about giving others a 'fair go' - so why not this? icon_evil.gif


    But the gay and lesbian activist of Australia got us de facto status, that is a disadvantage to any homosexual or lesbian on government assistance, or those who are on government assistance and want to be in a live in relasionship, but for them it's one or the other, as they can't have both.

    This is what the gay and lesbian activists of this county won for us. So we have received the Fair go propaganda.

    How about giving the rich of this country a fair go, and deal with the tall poppy syndrome in this country.

    How about giving us True Blue Aussie a fair go, and preserve our heratig to this country.

    It's not that one is against homosexuals and lesbians having the right to commitments, just not under the banner of marrage. Oh we already have the right to make our relationship official, under de facto relationships.
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    Oct 01, 2010 2:08 PM GMT
    How was Oz strong armed into Iraq?