Supposedly 1 in 5 men are HIV+

  • KepaArg

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    Sep 29, 2010 4:23 PM GMT
    The numbers reflected in this study are pretty alarming!

    Come on guys wrap it up! icon_smile.gif

    http://www.kaiserhealthnews.org/Daily-Reports/2010/September/24/AIDS-gay-men.aspx
  • KepaArg

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    Sep 29, 2010 6:28 PM GMT
    Is that you Stew bear?
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    Sep 29, 2010 6:44 PM GMT
    This is the #1 reason I turned to frottage and mutual masturbation...still "gets the job done" with much less risk of getting an STD. Not saying the risk is gone, but it's definitely lower.

    The #2, 3, and 4 reasons are I simply don't enjoy anal, the prep+cleanup is way too time consuming, and I've had condoms break...not a good feeling. icon_lol.gif
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    Sep 29, 2010 9:23 PM GMT
    Maybe we should just stick to webcam sex lol.

    At least it's safe huh?
  • esputniko

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    Sep 29, 2010 9:34 PM GMT
    Once tested and in treatment if positive, there's no problem.

    It's curious because I've been told that 1 in 4 gay men is HIV+, at least in Barcelona, which is even worse...

    From time to time, while I'm in a gay crowded area (which is not uneasy here in BCN) I usually try to figure up who may be +. The funniest thing is that everyone can be; but this is not a strongly enough reason to panic and not trying to enjoy life and sex.

    Get tested periodically, wear a condom and have fun.



    I have an extra question for you guys; do you think that HIV post-exposure prophylaxis is known enough amongst gay people?
  • tmm6497

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    Sep 29, 2010 9:35 PM GMT
    Hearing stuff like this makes me never want to have sex...even with a condom. Scary.
  • Anto

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    Sep 29, 2010 9:52 PM GMT
    I'd like to see statistics on how many gay men are infected with abdominal parasites and don't know it. The gay porn industry isn't helping by showing unprotected anal sex in other forms like orally or touching another guys anus. What's worse is that certain forms of intestinal parasites can go unnoticed while being spread to others if the infected person does not practice good hygiene, even by non-sexual contact like through shared surfaces or food preparation.

    Some are more prevalent amongst gay men than the rest of the population in first world countries, like entamoeba histolytica. Gay men are one of the at risk groups for the parasite. Most people infected with this parasite aren't even aware that they are carrying it and passing it on to others.
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    Sep 29, 2010 9:56 PM GMT
    I wonder what the room for statistical error is for this test. 8,000 isnt a lot if you consider the population for the United States, but who knows how many of them are gay.
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    Sep 29, 2010 10:07 PM GMT
    I don't believe it. In africa maybe and some other third world countries but not in the USA...

    What they're saying is that half of the people tested didn't know, not that half the population is.

    I just don't believe it to be true. there are lots of men who are monogamous, celibate or not in high risk categories. Lots of IV drug users who are. I think this is CDC hype.

  • Sep 29, 2010 10:15 PM GMT
    tjmeany saidHearing stuff like this makes me never want to have sex...even with a condom. Scary.


    ditto
  • esputniko

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    Sep 29, 2010 10:18 PM GMT
    CaliBoySwag saidI don't believe it. In africa maybe and some other third world countries but not in the USA...

    What they're saying is that half of the people tested didn't know, not that half the population is.

    I just don't believe it to be true. there are lots of men who are monogamous, celibate or not in high risk categories. Lots of IV drug users who are. I think this is CDC hype.


    Actually it's one in 5 gay men...

    That's not an isolated statistic...
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    Sep 29, 2010 10:32 PM GMT
    This actually bummed me out to read today. But unread of worrying I scheduled an STD test for Monday . With the many ways to study safe sex why is the number increasing? :-/

    Well I reay have no reason to worry about my test next week but it's always a scary thing. Say a prayer for me folks :p
  • LJay

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    Sep 29, 2010 10:34 PM GMT
    Correctly stated: One in five GAY men.

    The continuing scourge also raises the long term psychological question of the effect that such a threat has on the expression of sexuality by gays.

    Years ago a very good straight friend was distressed at two of our friends becoming a couple and exclaimed, 'But it's do it and you die!" He was painfully concerned and aware of the risk. In this case things have been fine, but the tension is always there. The health crisis is not only physical, it is also mental.
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    Sep 29, 2010 10:44 PM GMT
    Ugh, so sick of this shit. First of all, 8,000 is statistically a very small sampling of the entire gay male population. Second, straight people GET HIV TOO. Seriously, all you ever hear about in the news is about gay men's risk, but almost never about the risk that straight people encounter. The media is so homophobic it's sick.

    My straight girlfriends have unprotected sex all the freaking time, yet still have the nerve to tell me how me being sexually active "scares them". It's ridiculous what all these "studies" and "coverage" are doing to the image of gay men in America. I agree we are at higher risk, but I seriously question the validity of this study, and the intentions behind it.
  • Anto

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    Sep 29, 2010 10:45 PM GMT
    Does anyone else see a problem here with people thinking that they are doing the right thing by getting regularly tested for HIV when the real problem is what they are doing to begin with that would warrant having to be regularly tested for HIV to begin with?
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    Sep 29, 2010 10:47 PM GMT
    Anto saidWhat is the point of getting regularly tested for HIV as a precaution or form of social responsibility if one is going to be living in such a way that would warrant having to regularly test for HIV to begin with?

    Does anyone else see a problem here with people thinking that they are doing the right thing by getting regularly tested for HIV when the real problem is what they are doing to begin with that would warrant having to be regularly tested for HIV?


    What? You mean having sex? Even those who practice safe sex 100% of the time should still get tested regularly.
  • rnch

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    Sep 29, 2010 10:57 PM GMT
    i suspect the percentage rate is ever higher here in new orleans. icon_sad.gif
  • modestoca25

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    Sep 29, 2010 11:06 PM GMT
    I'm not surprised by this statistic, the way gay & bi guys are (promiscuous and abuse drugs and alcohol which affects judgement). I recently talked to someone who worked for an AIDS organization in SF and he told me about 1/2 of the gay community in SF has HIV....When you bottom and you bareback your risk of getting hiv (and other STDs) increases substantially...why don't people get that? Don't have sex while your drunk or high because you're liable to do something careless like that...duh..... and another factor in all this is some people with HIV either just don't care or are vengeful and intentionally or carelessly spread it....I've heard many stories of spreaders and I live in a relatively small community. As bad as we (gays) treat each other outside the bedroom, is it really surprising gays and bis out there who are poz intentionally or carelessly spread it? Another reason why this number is so high is because it's become taboo to talk about people who ARE HIV poz or spread...it shouldn't be that way. It's an epidemic and should be treated like such...if someone you knew had swine flu and was spreading it would you keep it hush hush? And just because there are drugs (meds) out there that help (but not cure) HIV doesn't make it OK to get or not something to worry about...it still destroys your body and the meds aren't exactly gentle on your body either I'm sure..ultimately leading to a painful death and shorter lifespan. Gays need to get some morals and speak out about these kind of issues more. Don't just assume this is a third world country issue as some idiot posted earlier--yes HIV/AIDS is more prevalent in Africa but it's still a worldwide epidemic that isn't going away any time soon....
  • Anto

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    Sep 29, 2010 11:08 PM GMT
    photosrus said
    Anto saidWhat is the point of getting regularly tested for HIV as a precaution or form of social responsibility if one is going to be living in such a way that would warrant having to regularly test for HIV to begin with?

    Does anyone else see a problem here with people thinking that they are doing the right thing by getting regularly tested for HIV when the real problem is what they are doing to begin with that would warrant having to be regularly tested for HIV?


    What? You mean having sex? Even those who practice safe sex 100% of the time should still get tested regularly.


    Not sex itself but the frequency of it with multiple people.

    Using regular check ups for HIV as a means of being socially responsible is a joke really, it's after the fact and doesn't get to the real root of the problem.
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    Sep 29, 2010 11:23 PM GMT
    Anto said
    photosrus said
    Anto saidWhat is the point of getting regularly tested for HIV as a precaution or form of social responsibility if one is going to be living in such a way that would warrant having to regularly test for HIV to begin with?

    Does anyone else see a problem here with people thinking that they are doing the right thing by getting regularly tested for HIV when the real problem is what they are doing to begin with that would warrant having to be regularly tested for HIV?


    What? You mean having sex? Even those who practice safe sex 100% of the time should still get tested regularly.


    Not sex itself but the frequency of it with multiple people.

    Using regular check ups for HIV as a means of being socially responsible is a joke really, it's after the fact and doesn't get to the real root of the problem.


    I dunno, I just disagree. I think that humans are sexual beings and we are going to have sex with multiple partners. What you are saying is like teaching abstinence, which just doesn't work. Granted, there are many people who sleep around and don't use protection, and yeah, maybe they have some psychological issues that are the base reason for their behavior, but most everyone else has sex with more than one person in their life, and it's dangerous to say that "getting tested as a means of being socially responsible is a joke." It's no joke, and people need to know their status, regardless of the reasons they are having sex in the first place.
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    Sep 29, 2010 11:27 PM GMT
    Wow. That is alarming. The number seems high to me; I wonder how representative the 8,000 guys in the study are. Does anyone have more information as to how the study was conducted and if the participants are a legitimate sample of the gay population?
  • Anto

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    Sep 29, 2010 11:39 PM GMT
    photosrus,

    I can see someone getting tested after an encounter they think warrants it, but to have to screen for it on a regular basis, does that sound like someone is living responsibly to you?

    I'm not saying the alternative is abstinence or that it's easy I just don't think testing for a disease that one may have caught after the fact addresses the real problem as to why it keeps spreading. I think for the most part all it does is give a person a false sense of security and especially of social responsibility.
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    Sep 29, 2010 11:56 PM GMT
    Not to soft play a serious issue, I suspect that the 1 in 5 number was a reporting error by Kaiser. If you check the CDC site and crunch the numbers, the figure is closer to 7 to 8% of gay men. Still not good.

    http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/resources/factsheets/us.htm
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7611844

    Gay Men = 4% of male population
    Account for 48% of HIV+
    HIV+ = 1 million Americans

    The CDC does indicate that 1 in 5 with HIV do not know it, which may be the source of the misquoted ratio.
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    Sep 29, 2010 11:58 PM GMT


    I'm not going to argue that these numbers are grim. But it seems like the study is sampling high consentration areas of the country and implying that these rates are consistent across the US.

    Here is a link is to the actual CDC study.
    http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm5937a2.htm?s_cid=mm5937a2_w

    "MSAs [Metropolitan Statistical Areas]were selected based on high prevalence of acquired immunodeficiency syndrome (AIDS); the 21 MSAs included approximately 60% of all prevalent urban U.S. AIDS cases in 2006."

    So basically, they went where the HIV positive men are most consentrated and did a study there, based on concentrations of men in gay bars, gay clubs and gay venues.

    But there are a huge number of non-clubbing, non-alcoholic, non-party boy gays out there who actually connect not at these gay scene locations, but through the internet. These guys are not in the survey.

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    Sep 30, 2010 12:15 AM GMT
    OHhiker said

    I'm not going to argue that these numbers are grim. But it seems like the study is sampling high consentration areas of the country and implying that these rates are consistent across the US.

    So basically, they went where the HIV positive men are most consentrated and did a study there, based on concentrations of men in gay bars, gay clubs and gay venues.

    But there are a huge number of non-clubbing, non-alcoholic, non-party boy gays out there who actually connect not at these gay scene locations, but through the internet. These guys are not in the survey.



    That's typically the point of doing this kind of research. If you have X amount of public health dollars, there's no point funding large scale prevention and education initiatives in places that have low numbers of the at-risk population you're targeting.