To Conservative RJers

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    Sep 30, 2010 2:55 AM GMT
    My two cents for those staunchly conservative members.

    To those of you RJ members that identify with conservative and right wing politics I ask that you stand up! Don't sit behind the argument that you are a member of that group solely because you support fiscal conservatism and smaller government, yet fail to call them on their hateful agenda toward your fellow gay, bisexual, and transgendered brethren. If you cherish less government intrusion, then how can you sit idly by while they expand into the most private area of your personal life? 

    If you choose to affiliate and identify with that group why stay silent on or defend their efforts to quash personal liberties because of orientation? 

    Whether or not you like it religious radicals control you and your party. Though, I find it inconceivable that someone would support a group that so fervently despises them, it is even more amazing that you would toss aside your own basic human rights in exchange for fiscal ideals without standing up! The sad reality though is they've not even delivered on those economic promises.

    Demand more for yourselves! Don't buy into an ideology that promises freedom on one hand and snatches it with the other.

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    Sep 30, 2010 2:59 AM GMT
    I turned off a few lights to conserve energy today.
    Hopefully that doesn't make me a conservative.
    Since this thread is not in the News & Politics forum, it's fair game for threadjacking.
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    Sep 30, 2010 3:17 AM GMT
    paulflexes saidI turned off a few lights to conserve energy today.
    Hopefully that doesn't make me a conservative.
    Since this thread is not in the News & Politics forum, it's fair game for threadjacking.

    Lol! I guess you get a pass! icon_biggrin.gif
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    Sep 30, 2010 4:47 AM GMT
    paulflexes saidI turned off a few lights to conserve energy today.
    Hopefully that doesn't make me a conservative.
    Since this thread is not in the News & Politics forum, it's fair game for threadjacking.


    I've been packing bananas instead of eating in restaurants. I guess it's still considered "eating out" when I stand on the street corner eating a banana while waiting on the Muni...which is a conservative form of transportation. Although the way I eat the banana is far from anything that is conservative (Allah be praised!). I guess the bananas that I'm buying must be good, because guys keep looking and staring at my banana while I'm eating it. That doesn't seem like a conservative value coveting and wanting for somebody else's banana right in front of them. But then, I've never really known a conservative that eats banana right in the first place so I guess I should just be happy that there is more banana for me and other less than conservative banana eaters all over the world, the U.S., California, San Francisco, and Inner Richmond. At least I'm taking public transportation and not using up all the oil, now that's not conservative. Conservative RealJock members do need to stand up! Especially if that little old crippled lady gets on the BART and needs to sit by those seats by the door. That's conservative. But also that would go against what conservatives are all about and that is self reliance self responsibility self governance and well...self. But if you don't stand up for yourself then others will call you douche and make you stand up because that little old cripple lady needs to conserve her strength for when she gets off the BART at Oakland Collesium to catch the Amtrak, which is funded by taxpayer dollars so that the conservative railway industry can continue to hatch their plan to take back transportation from the awful oil burning cars and trucks that took over their monopoly just about a hundred years ago when things were really conservative like during the Great Depression when things got so conservative that there was nothing left to conserve. Even God decided to get conservative with the rain water and such and along came the dust bowl that really was junk for anybody who wanted to eat. So they conserved. Because when the 1940's came along, things really got conservative with all the rationing for the war and such, and I can still remember collecting, which is a conservative value like hoarding and accumulating and such, those steel pennies because copper became so scares and needed conserving. Now, it's really hard to find a steel penny because they are all made out of some kind of cheap metal to conserve on those metals that needed conservative conservation. But, it's ironic that conservatives are now for conservationism especially in regards to natural resources. Annie get your gun if you want to conserve land and put it into some kind of park, monument or conservation district which is ironic because it is the conservatives that are not conserving and are against conservation and conservationism. So that means that conservatives and conservationists are exactly the same because one wants to deprive the other of what the other wants. But if you have a gun then you can pretty much get what you want because that is how you ultimately conserve anything and that is with raw hard power, and not the kind that you get from oil either. Conservatives are trying to conserve weapons so that they don't go away but at the same time make sure that other conservatives in other countries don't have them either. So that means that there are many sects among conservatives. Kind of like Al-Qaeda is very conservative like the neo-conservatives here in the U.S. who are all about fundamental, constructionist, conservativism. Which brings me back to my banana and how I eat it. I try to be very conservative in how I eat it so that it love me long time. I very gently put my mouth on top of it and suck ever so gently to make the banana juice flavor stuff mix with my saliva. This way, I can suck my banana all day and get satisfaction from it without having to be less than conservative with my hard earned money that is left after the guvahmint takes all the taxes out of it for conservative programs like nukular bombs and such kine secret things that if somebody told you about they would have to kill you. Hopefully they would let you finish sucking the banana before dispatching you to a place where you would be conserved by neo-conservative conversationalists concerned with committing to a conserved country of conservatives who need to stand up for the little old crippled lady who takes extra time to get on Golden Gate Transit and other energy conservative forms of transportation that are in cahoots with the railroad industry and their anti-conservative sucking off the taxpayers tits, or gtfo, or banana, or such that they really shouldn't be snooping around about because that would invade our privacy and see our gun and banana hoard and make us have to get a concealed carry permit to pack bananas in our back packs but not fudge pack because that is not a conservative value and you will go to H.E. Double Toothpicks (Gloria in Excelcis Deo!) and be cast out of the conservative party and have to sit outside and watch the party as they eat each other's bananas ala wide stance. Religious radicals are not conservative because they are radicals and they won't tolerate a wide stance especially in a men's room full of bananas (Can I get a Hallelujah?) which are yellow on the outside and white on the inside which is what I've been called because I'm from the U.S. mainland but am of Asian heritage because U.S. immigration policy allowed for my dad stay here instead of going back to a communist country which wasn't considered conservative then like it is now because conservatives want change which is ironic because they are conservatives. Which makes it easier to be a conservative here because we can offshore our oil burning pollution to another place in the conservation domain and it's like farting in our own closed loop system as it always comes back conserved for us. Which is another reason I eat bananas, less gas, less oil, less pollution, less, less, less, and more less which is what conservativism is really all about and that is less, because less is more, more or less.

    Discuss.

    While I go conserve my banana



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    Sep 30, 2010 4:55 AM GMT
    RudeMech saidMy two cents for those staunchly conservative members.

    To those of you RJ members that identify with conservative and right wing politics I ask that you stand up! Don't sit behind the argument that you are a member of that group solely because you support fiscal conservatism and smaller government, yet fail to call them on their hateful agenda toward your fellow gay, bisexual, and transgendered brethren. If you cherish less government intrusion, then how can you sit idly by while they expand into the most private area of your personal life? 

    If you choose to affiliate and identify with that group why stay silent on or defend their efforts to quash personal liberties because of orientation? 

    Whether or not you like it religious radicals control you and your party. Though, I find it inconceivable that someone would support a group that so fervently despises them, it is even more amazing that you would toss aside your own basic human rights in exchange for fiscal ideals without standing up! The sad reality though is they've not even delivered on those economic promises.

    Demand more for yourselves! Don't buy into an ideology that promises freedom on one hand and snatches it with the other.

    Discuss.
     




    It really is a mystery why any gay person would support the Repubs in this day and age - when there are so many reasons to not vote Republican based on the record of gross incompetence and failure they've run up over the last decade.
    They fucked the country, PLUS they hate you because you're gay, plus they want to deny you the same equal rights non-gay Americans enjoy - and you're even considering voting for them?
    Are you nuts?

    There are only two possible explanations I know of:
    1.) They were raised in a very stridently Republican family and have been brainwashed from birth to believe that the Repubs are good and the Dems are bad.
    2.) They're gay men who are insecure about their masculinity and they buy the BS that "real men" vote Republican - so they think if they vote Repub it will make them more manly, and less gay.

    I find explanation #1 kind of sad, and explanation #2 very very lame.
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    Sep 30, 2010 5:03 AM GMT
    rickrick91 said...
    Are you nuts?
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    Maybe they're bananas?

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    Sep 30, 2010 5:09 AM GMT
    @Disappearing

    While I don't wish this thread to become a theological debate, it may be unavoidable as the religious industrial complex has firmly entrenched itself in the political sphere and is arguably the main source of divisiveness.

    Are faith and belief negative things? Absolutely NOT! However, religion has been perverted and turned into a machine for spreading hate. I believe the core of most world faiths is noble and the majority of the faithful are good people, but the reality is that they have been manipulated by those that seek power. Terms such as "family values" are muddied and used to undermine the voices of the smallest groups. Churches have become part of the political and economic machinery. Make no mistake the "money changers" are in the temple and have been for quite sometime. The name of the game is political and economic power. I find it despicable when churches claim to be focused on the soul while deciding how best to run their coffee shops. http://money.cnn.com/2007/12/13/smbusiness/non-profit_legal_structure.fsb/index.htm Religion is a multi-billion dollar business with a built in tax shelter.

    Separation of church and state is laughable when the right to preach politics of hate from the pulpit while keeping tax exempt status is guarded with the voracity of a pit bull. If a church wants to enter the political realm and become a PAC, fine, but to be able to remain "non-profit" and do so borders on criminal.

    Through either ignorance or inaction many good people allow their faith to be used as a weapon. The use of religion to damage and hurt innocent people for political and social power is shameful and I often wonder if the biblical warnings of false profits were referring to this exact situation.

    Again faith and belief in God is not at issue as far as I'm concerned. What is, is the evil that is wielded in the name of faith. I believe that most people are decent, but unfortunately go along with those who are ultimately only interested in their own selfish ends.

    Edmund Burke said all that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. Do not allow evil to triumph. Do not do sit by and do nothing.
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    Sep 30, 2010 5:12 AM GMT
    GAMRican said
    rickrick91 said...
    Are you nuts?
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    Maybe they're bananas?

    lil_dancing_banana.gif?w=65&h=70


    Most likely both!icon_biggrin.gif
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    Sep 30, 2010 5:15 AM GMT
    RudeMech said@Disappearing

    While I don't wish this thread to become a theological debate, it may be unavoidable as the religious industrial complex has firmly entrenched itself in the political sphere and is arguably the main source of divisiveness.

    Are faith and belief negative things? Absolutely NOT! However, religion has been perverted and turned into a machine for spreading hate. I believe the core of most world faiths is noble and the majority of the faithful are good people, but the reality is that they have been manipulated by those that seek power. Terms such as "family values" are muddied and used to undermine the voices of the smallest groups. Churches have become part of the political and economic machinery. Make no mistake the "money changers" are in the temple and have been for quite sometime. The name of the game is political and economic power. I find it despicable when churches claim to be focused on the soul while deciding how best to run their coffee shops. http://money.cnn.com/2007/12/13/smbusiness/non-profit_legal_structure.fsb/index.htm Religion is a multi-billion dollar business with a built in tax shelter.

    Separation of church and state is laughable when the right to preach politics of hate from the pulpit while keeping tax exempt status is guarded with the voracity of a pit bull. If a church wants to enter the political realm and become a PAC, fine, but to be able to remain "non-profit" and do so borders on criminal.

    Through either ignorance or inaction many good people allow their faith to be used as a weapon. The use of religion to damage and hurt innocent people for political and social power is shameful and I often wonder if the biblical warnings of false profits were referring to this exact situation.

    Again faith and belief in God is not at issue as far as I'm concerned. What is, is the evil that is wielded in the name of faith. I believe that most people are decent, but unfortunately go along with those who are ultimately only interested in their own selfish ends.

    Edmund Burke said all that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. Do not allow evil to triumph. Do not do sit by and do nothing.


    Because of the lack of faith and family values that Shia Laboeuf espoused in this picture, he had a totaled accident and may never get the full use of his fingers again.

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    This is God's way of saying, "Don't eat a banana in a less than or overly conservative way like that ore I'll make you a cripple like the little old lady on the BART who farts."
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    Sep 30, 2010 5:41 AM GMT
    GAMRican said

    Shibbee%20-%20TR%20meme.jpeg

    This is God's way of saying, "Don't eat a banana in a less than or overly conservative way like that ore I'll make you a cripple like the little old lady on the BART who farts."


    Chiquita should use this for their ads! They'd sell a LOT more bananas! icon_lol.gif
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    Sep 30, 2010 7:11 PM GMT
    I really expected more push back. Perhaps my perception of gay conservatives was spot on. Lol
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    Sep 30, 2010 8:15 PM GMT
    RudeMech saidI really expected more push back. Perhaps my perception of gay conservatives was spot on. Lol

    Just fyi, there are numerous conservatives on RJ. Some seldom, some almost never bother participating in the discussions here. To many of us, it is not a productive use of time in most cases. If you want to know the positions and opinions, there are numerous threads over the past few months where most of the points have been discussed.
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    Sep 30, 2010 8:26 PM GMT
    RudeMech saidI really expected more push back. Perhaps my perception of gay conservatives was spot on. Lol


    No, the liberals on this site have already dealt with the conservative extremists, and they fought for so long that it resulted in:

    1. Conservatives and liberals hitting the "Ignore His Posts" feature (myself included) obviating further debates

    2. The old conservatives made an entirely new website ripping off the RJ concept, adding "conservative" to is as if it really needs to be a conservative and gay and jock website all in one. It's just a handful of men over 45 really.

    3. Anything a Republican says now isn't going to meet any resistance because enough conservatives have said inane, ad hominem, fallacious attacks that when people like you come here with something cogent to say, it's a relief.

    4. Southbeach1500 ruined any chance you think you might have at becomming hated for being a Republican. He is a staunch Republican but he argues like a liberal Democrat (see RoadBikeRob for examples), making him one of the worst people on RJ.
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    Sep 30, 2010 8:34 PM GMT
    Many of the guys on that conservative site are in their 20s and 30s.
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    Sep 30, 2010 8:34 PM GMT
    socalfitness saidMany of the guys on that conservative site are in their 20s and 30s.


    LIES!

    Well they must have recruited from some Houston campus or something.
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    Sep 30, 2010 9:15 PM GMT
    rudemech,

    Not sure what gives you the impression that we are silent on the negative aspects within the conservative movement and republican party. Speaking for myself, I am constantly engaging and working against particular religious zealots who wish to take away freedom from gays.

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    mocktwinkie saidrudemech,

    Not sure what gives you the impression that we are silent on the negative aspects within the conservative movement and republican party. Speaking for myself, I am constantly engaging and working against particular religious zealots who wish to take away freedom from gays.



    This!
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    Oct 01, 2010 4:57 AM GMT
    This topic has been discussed endlessly, and is way past the point of tedium.

    The inherent contradiction is essentially unresolvable---but it seems intellectual consistency is not widely considered a virtue.

    If nothing else, the conservative jock site seems to given socalfitness endless opportunity to extoll the virtues of the people on it. One wonders why he bothers to continue posting here.
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    Oct 01, 2010 3:23 PM GMT
    TigerTim saidThis topic has been discussed endlessly, and is way past the point of tedium.

    The inherent contradiction is essentially unresolvable---but it seems intellectual consistency is not widely considered a virtue.

    If nothing else, the conservative jock site seems to given socalfitness endless opportunity to extoll the virtues of the people on it. One wonders why he bothers to continue posting here.

    Because you referred to me directly, I'll give a response. First, I never said I would not continue posting. Many of my posts in RJ are in non-political threads. I get satisfaction from that and from the interaction with guys in those threads. In the political threads, I generally avoid detailed discussions, but make quick comments now and then.

    Often, my comments are to correct a misimpression or false statement. In the case of this thread, my intent, and I think that of other conservative RJ members was to ignore it. When the OP stated the lack of participation was some sort of telling fact of conservatives, very presumptuous, I stepped in to advise him the points had been extensively discussed before and many conservative RJ members do not remain heavily involved. I said nothing about any other forum. I only commented again to correct misinformation about the age of members of the other forum. While most here probably know the person making the statement has no factual basis, other than to malign older members, I wanted to bust his balloon. That was partly in case more casual readers of these threads saw it and believed he knew what he was talking about.
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    Oct 01, 2010 5:06 PM GMT
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    JAKEBENSON said
    1. Conservatives and liberals hitting the "Ignore His Posts" feature (myself included) obviating further debates
    True



    JAKEBENSON said
    2. The old conservatives made an entirely new website ripping off the RJ concept, adding "conservative" to is as if it really needs to be a conservative and gay and jock website all in one. It's just a handful of men over 45 really.
    False



    JAKEBENSON said
    3. Anything a Republican says now isn't going to meet any resistance because enough conservatives have said inane, ad hominem, fallacious attacks that when people like you come here with something cogent to say, it's a relief.
    False



    JAKEBENSON said4. Southbeach1500 ruined any chance you think you might have at becomming hated for being a Republican. He is a staunch Republican but he argues like a liberal Democrat (see RoadBikeRob for examples), making him one of the worst people on RJ.
    False

    But other than those 3 LIES, you're being 100% truthful. icon_lol.gif





    ROFLMAO, this from SB who claimed at least once that he never joined conservativejock. icon_lol.gificon_lol.gificon_lol.gificon_lol.gificon_lol.gificon_lol.gif

    So who's a liar, SB?
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    Oct 01, 2010 5:21 PM GMT
    Disappearing_Act saidI like to believe most sensible humanitarians are just like me, economically conservative and socially liberal.


    I like to believe most hot men are gay, but my little fantasy doesn´t cause me to vote for people who hate me. Think about it.
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    Oct 01, 2010 7:32 PM GMT
    I must admit I really had always sat on the fence when it comes to political parties. I vote for who will be best for my wonderful country, and not just me. But..........since coming to RJ and witnessing, and being a target of all the hate that comes from the gay left of America here. They have pushed me over the line, to the conservative side. If I went on line one day to find the gay left of America had imploded, I would not be in a state of shock.

    The problem we have with the left wing down here in Oz is they keep putting us in debt by throwing away taxpayers money on worthless projects, and hand outs to make people depended on them, and not independent of them. Better to teach a man to fish so he can feed himself, than hand him a fish.

    Then we have to vote out the left wing, and vote in the conservatives to get the bills paid off agin. I mean if we left the left wing in, we would become bankrupted, by their irresponsible spending.

    RJ's left, have helped me be proud I'm an Aussie poofter, and not an American gay.
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    aunty_jack saidI must admit I really had always sat on the fence when it comes to political parties. I vote for who will be best for my wonderful country, and not just me. But..........since coming to RJ and witnessing, and being a target of all the hate that comes from the gay left of America here. They have pushed me over the line, to the conservative side. If I went on line one day to fine the gay left of America had imploded, I would not be in a state of shock.

    The problem we have with the left wing down here in Oz is they keep putting us in debt my throwing away taxpayers money on worthless projects, and hand outs to make people depended on them, and not independent of them. better to teach a man to fish so he can feed himself, than hand him a fish.

    Then we have to vote out the left wing, and vote in the conservatives to get the bills paid off agin. I mean if we left the left wing in, we would become bankrupted, by their irresponsible spending.

    RJ's left, have helped me be proud I'm an Aussie poofter, and not an American gay.




    Choosing to become a conservative because some RJ member hurt your feelings is beyond pathetic.

    And here in America - we're in debt because for the past 30 years Republicans have given massive tax cuts to the rich whenever they've been in power, and they've have run up massive yearly budget deficits every year they've been in power.
    Since the Reagan administration, they've exploded the National Debt, while saying that "deficits don't matter".
    Now - years later, we've finally seen that deficits DO matter.
    Also, every recession in the U.S. for the past 30 years has hit while there was a conservative Republican in the White House.

    PLUS - in America, the right-wingers have an anti-gay agenda and want to deny gay Americans the same equal rights non-gay Americans enjoy.

    Here in the U.S. there is absolutely no reason to be "proud" to be a gay Republican.

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    Oct 01, 2010 10:39 PM GMT
    southbeach1500 said
    JAKEBENSON said
    1. Conservatives and liberals hitting the "Ignore His Posts" feature (myself included) obviating further debates
    True

    JAKEBENSON said
    2. The old conservatives made an entirely new website ripping off the RJ concept, adding "conservative" to is as if it really needs to be a conservative and gay and jock website all in one. It's just a handful of men over 45 really.
    False

    JAKEBENSON said
    3. Anything a Republican says now isn't going to meet any resistance because enough conservatives have said inane, ad hominem, fallacious attacks that when people like you come here with something cogent to say, it's a relief.
    False

    JAKEBENSON said4. Southbeach1500 ruined any chance you think you might have at becomming hated for being a Republican. He is a staunch Republican but he argues like a liberal Democrat (see RoadBikeRob for examples), making him one of the worst people on RJ.
    False

    But other than those 3 LIES, you're being 100% truthful. icon_lol.gif


    Yep, you're the reason Hitler rose to power and the gays caught AIDS. There's really no other reason for the two to have happened. Good going Southbeach. icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Oct 02, 2010 12:06 AM GMT
    JAKEBENSON said
    southbeach1500 said
    JAKEBENSON said
    1. Conservatives and liberals hitting the "Ignore His Posts" feature (myself included) obviating further debates
    True

    JAKEBENSON said
    2. The old conservatives made an entirely new website ripping off the RJ concept, adding "conservative" to is as if it really needs to be a conservative and gay and jock website all in one. It's just a handful of men over 45 really.
    False

    JAKEBENSON said
    3. Anything a Republican says now isn't going to meet any resistance because enough conservatives have said inane, ad hominem, fallacious attacks that when people like you come here with something cogent to say, it's a relief.
    False

    JAKEBENSON said4. Southbeach1500 ruined any chance you think you might have at becomming hated for being a Republican. He is a staunch Republican but he argues like a liberal Democrat (see RoadBikeRob for examples), making him one of the worst people on RJ.
    False

    But other than those 3 LIES, you're being 100% truthful. icon_lol.gif


    Yep, you're the reason Hitler rose to power and the gays caught AIDS. There's really no other reason for the two to have happened. Good going Southbeach. icon_rolleyes.gif


    In fact it was the left wing homosexuals of Germany who helped put Hitler in power, with the promise of advancement. Still the left wing will repeat history with a promise of advancement. But the night of the long knives put an end to all of the, with all top homosexuals in the Nazi party being killed. They had forfilled their purpose of helping put Hitler in power. I can seen a few left wing jews here making the same mistake, and repeating history.