I Dont understand why gays have to be democratic

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    Oct 01, 2010 2:26 PM GMT
    Niether republicans or democrats like gay people. so why is it taboo for a gay man to be republican?
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    Oct 01, 2010 2:28 PM GMT
    Because many gay men are brainwashed as with the rest of society.
    All political parties are ridiculous and unneeded. Haven't we gone beyond identifying as certain political parties as a nation? Do we really need to pick a side? It's pretty easy to realize that they're all working together to doom this nation to hell.
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    Oct 01, 2010 2:34 PM GMT
    I agree i hate how u have to pick a side, but the thought of independent parties is laughed upon by most. They would rather say " I'm a middle of the line republican" or some spew
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    Oct 01, 2010 2:58 PM GMT
    I'm neither; I dislike both equally.

    waxon saidbut the thought of independent parties is laughed upon by most

    Then let them keep laughing.
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    Oct 01, 2010 3:04 PM GMT
    I agree, while i have always considered myself a republican, that does not mean that i agree with everything the republican party does or is stereotyped to believe in. I have 3 friends who all happen to be gay and believe it or not, (yes even i was surprised)... all of em republicans as well!... that does not mean that we support DADT or that we are against certain things that the Democrat party stands for. Our generation has been pretty damn good at being able to think for ourselves and stand for what we believe in regardless of who the opposition. I agree, while i am a "republican" i tend to like being classified as "me" rather than a catagory such as "gay" or "republican" etc... I find it hard to see how people can classify a person on just a single word or idea.... I am by far a more complex person than that...
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    Oct 02, 2010 9:36 AM GMT
    I re-register between parties every two years at least - this year i'm a registerd Republican - in my state you have to register with a party to vote in the primaries, so i just go back and forth between the two. Independent would be my preferred status, but not an option here. Truth be told, i don't like the party system, as neither represents me - i actually do my homework on the candidates and issues and vote accordingly - i voted early this year and voted for repubs, dems and libertarians, based on track records and who i thought was the best candidate.
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    Oct 02, 2010 10:55 AM GMT
    There is no comparison

    While the democrats are frustratingly spineless when it comes to standing up for gay issues ... running for cover every time someone from the opposite party
    makes a statement

    The republicans publicly show their animosity to you at every turn
    So to all the gay republicans out there
    Why would you ever side with a party that so utterly and completely displays such hatred to you?

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    Oct 02, 2010 7:34 PM GMT
    outlaw82 saidI agree, while i have always considered myself a republican, that does not mean that i agree with everything the republican party does or is stereotyped to believe in. I have 3 friends who all happen to be gay and believe it or not, (yes even i was surprised)... all of em republicans as well!... that does not mean that we support DADT or that we are against certain things that the Democrat party stands for. Our generation has been pretty damn good at being able to think for ourselves and stand for what we believe in regardless of who the opposition. I agree, while i am a "republican" i tend to like being classified as "me" rather than a catagory such as "gay" or "republican" etc... I find it hard to see how people can classify a person on just a single word or idea.... I am by far a more complex person than that...


    Great input!

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    Oct 02, 2010 7:48 PM GMT
    waxon saidNiether republicans or democrats like gay people. so why is it taboo for a gay man to be republican?


    What is with this constant meme here? Democrats have pushed for LGBT legislation in almost every state. Generally Republicans oppose this legislation. There are dissenters in both parties, of course. And support has been pretty anemic on the federal level sure.

    But if we are going to really do this rudimentary sort of analysis on the two parties there is no question who supports us and who does not.

    Why is it taboo? Because Republicans have been fighting us on the federal, state, and local level for decades. Because Republicans have made voter initiatives on marriage a campaign strategy. Because alies of the Republicans in the religious and lobbyist community frequently get on TV, before congressional hearings, on the pulpit and call us pedophiles, unfit for marriage or parenthood, and argue that we should be denied equal protection under the law. So why exactly is it shocking to you when LGBT people think that members of their own community who vote for people who are against our community is strange?

    Look, be apart of what ever party you wish, that is your business. But don't pretend that Republicans and Democrats both equally like our community, because that is utter bullshit.
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    Oct 02, 2010 8:07 PM GMT
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    waxon saidNiether republicans or democrats like gay people. so why is it taboo for a gay man to be republican?


    What is with this constant meme here? Democrats have pushed for LGBT legislation in almost every state. Generally Republicans oppose this legislation. There are dissenters in both parties, of course. And support has been pretty anemic on the federal level sure.

    But if we are going to really do this rudimentary sort of analysis on the two parties there is no question who supports us and who does not.

    Why is it taboo? Because Republicans have been fighting us on the federal, state, and local level for decades. Because Republicans have made voter initiatives on marriage a campaign strategy. Because alies of the Republicans in the religious and lobbyist community frequently get on TV, before congressional hearings, on the pulpit and call us pedophiles, unfit for marriage or parenthood, and argue that we should be denied equal protection under the law. So why exactly is it shocking to you when LGBT people think that members of their own community who vote for people who are against our community is strange?

    Look, be apart of what ever party you wish, that is your business. But don't pretend that Republicans and Democrats both equally like our community, because that is utter bullshit.


    The degree of alliance that you feel democrats have to gays over republicans (percentage wise) is not enough to justify all of their other disastrous economic policies that horribly affect everyone including the gay community. What part of that can't you comprehend?
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    Oct 02, 2010 8:20 PM GMT
    mocktwinkie saidThe degree of alliance that you feel democrats have to gays over republicans (percentage wise) is not enough to justify all of their other disastrous economic policies that horribly affect everyone including the gay community. What part of that can't you comprehend?


    This isn't a conversation about economic policy. This is a conversation about Republicans and Democrats on LGBT issues.

    If you want to have that conversation, start another thread.
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    Oct 02, 2010 8:30 PM GMT
    Phantasmagoria saidBecause many gay men are brainwashed as with the rest of society.
    All political parties are ridiculous and unneeded. Haven't we gone beyond identifying as certain political parties as a nation? Do we really need to pick a side? It's pretty easy to realize that they're all working together to doom this nation to hell.


    But it makes it easy to pick a side; you either vote Democrat or Republican- requires no judgment or research of your own.
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    Oct 02, 2010 8:32 PM GMT
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    mocktwinkie saidThe degree of alliance that you feel democrats have to gays over republicans (percentage wise) is not enough to justify all of their other disastrous economic policies that horribly affect everyone including the gay community. What part of that can't you comprehend?


    This isn't a conversation about economic policy. This is a conversation about Republicans and Democrats on LGBT issues.

    If you want to have that conversation, start another thread.


    No it's not. The OP simply said he doesn't understand why gays have to be democratic. Don't start trying to set fictitious parameters for this discussion in order to avoid addressing the reason WHY it shouldn't be "taboo" for gay men to be republican by vote.
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    Oct 02, 2010 8:39 PM GMT
    I haven't voted since Clinton was in office, and won't vote again 'till someone worthwhile actually runs for Pres.
    Doubtful that will ever happen, but one can always dream.
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    Oct 02, 2010 8:45 PM GMT
    It all depends on how much being gay is important to one's identity. It's possible to put more emphasis on wealth than personal identity and still be internally consistent. I.e. all the following combinations are possible and exist:

    gay Democrats
    gay Republicans
    rich Democrats
    rich Republicans
    miserly Democrats
    miserly Republicans
    corrupt Democrats
    corrupt Republicans
    robotic Democrats
    robotic Republicans
    Democratic Republicans (RINO)
    Republican Democrats (Blue Dog Coalition)

    It's also a matter of proportion (e.g. how many Democrats vs. Republicans have voted for pro-gay agendas)
    It's also possible to eschew labels and vote based on the flavor and conviction of the day. (e.g. to let a 20 year record of good legislation get trumped by a political unknown with nice sounding policies that defy common sense)
    You see my point? icon_lol.gif
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    Oct 02, 2010 8:47 PM GMT
    q1w2e3 saidIt all depends on how much being gay is important to one's identity. It's possible to put more emphasis on wealth than personal identity and still be internally consistent. I.e. all the following combinations are possible and exist:

    gay Democrats
    gay Republicans
    rich Democrats
    rich Republicans
    miserly Democrats
    miserly Republicans
    corrupt Democrats
    corrupt Republicans
    robotic Democrats
    robotic Republicans
    Democratic Republicans (RINO)
    Republican Democrats (Blue Dog Coalition)

    It's also a matter of proportion (e.g. how many Democrats vs. Republicans have voted for pro-gay agendas)
    It's also possible to eschew labels and vote based on the flavor and conviction of the day.
    You see my point? icon_lol.gif


    I can safely say that I am constantly advocating for gay rights enough for me to justify the margin inherent in my republican vote that is not supportive of gays. It's kind of hard to fix the world, you know.
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    Oct 02, 2010 11:32 PM GMT
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    waxon saidNiether republicans or democrats like gay people. so why is it taboo for a gay man to be republican?


    What is with this constant meme here? Democrats have pushed for LGBT legislation in almost every state. Generally Republicans oppose this legislation. There are dissenters in both parties, of course. And support has been pretty anemic on the federal level sure.

    But if we are going to really do this rudimentary sort of analysis on the two parties there is no question who supports us and who does not.

    Why is it taboo? Because Republicans have been fighting us on the federal, state, and local level for decades. Because Republicans have made voter initiatives on marriage a campaign strategy. Because alies of the Republicans in the religious and lobbyist community frequently get on TV, before congressional hearings, on the pulpit and call us pedophiles, unfit for marriage or parenthood, and argue that we should be denied equal protection under the law. So why exactly is it shocking to you when LGBT people think that members of their own community who vote for people who are against our community is strange?

    Look, be apart of what ever party you wish, that is your business. But don't pretend that Republicans and Democrats both equally like our community, because that is utter bullshit.


    The degree of alliance that you feel democrats have to gays over republicans (percentage wise) is not enough to justify all of their other disastrous economic policies that horribly affect everyone including the gay community. What part of that can't you comprehend?


    Actually, the disastrous economic policies also belonged to the Republicans, so you can choose to be fucked over by occasional spinelessness, or you can choose to be repeatedly and epically fucked over by Republican economic AND social policies.
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    Oct 02, 2010 11:41 PM GMT
    mocktwinkie saidNo it's not. The OP simply said he doesn't understand why gays have to be democratic. Don't start trying to set fictitious parameters for this discussion in order to avoid addressing the reason WHY it shouldn't be "taboo" for gay men to be republican by vote.


    That is a pretty strange reading of the first post:
    WaxonNiether republicans or democrats like gay people. so why is it taboo for a gay man to be republican?


    The OP can't figure out why it is taboo because he falsely believes the records of both parties are equal when they are clearly not. Instead of addressing that you changed the topic to economic policy. How does economic policy affect LGBT people specifically when we are represented in every income bracket and every profession. To try and argue that economics is the root cause is absurd when their economic policy does not evenly affect us.

    It is quite obviously their social policy. The economic argument isn't clear to me and you stated:
    MocktwinkieThe degree of alliance that you feel democrats have to gays over republicans (percentage wise) is not enough to justify all of their other disastrous economic policies that horribly affect everyone including the gay community. What part of that can't you comprehend?


    You changed the subject and your argument doesn't make sense. If the Dems economic policy negatively affects everyone, then why is the LGBT community specifically hostile to Republicans? Your argument is why SHOULD the LGBT community be NOT HOSTILE to the Republicans. But the question asking was why IS the LGBT community HOSTILE to the Republicans. Would you care to answer that question?

    So connect the dots for me. It seems to me that you are changing the subject to avoid admitting that the Republicans have a horrendous record on our rights.
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    Oct 02, 2010 11:42 PM GMT
    paulflexes saidI haven't voted since Clinton was in office, and won't vote again 'till someone worthwhile actually runs for Pres.
    Doubtful that will ever happen, but one can always dream.


    God damn it you fucking idiot vote in the primary for the love of ass eating christ. That is where the game is at!*



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    Oct 03, 2010 12:16 PM GMT
    I found it rather chilling, that as I'm reading through this thread and got to the end, the banner ad before the last post was a "Pat Toomey for US Senate" ad. Toomey is the Republican candidate in PA (where I am), and as conservative as they come. Given his staunch opposition to any gay rights legislation, why would an ad for him be on a gay site?

    To respond to the OP, I grew up in a VERY conservative Republican home and was brainwashed to that way of thinking until I was in my late 20's. The first Democrat I voted for was Bill Clinton in '92. I think I had an awakening, more on the social issues side of the political spectrum.

    I tend to be very put off with both sides, as there are very few people out there with a pure agenda. I'm a Democrat because they are most closely aligned with my personal beliefs, not because of any one issue (gay rights included).
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    Oct 03, 2010 12:59 PM GMT
    "You have to know that there's a difference between a disappointing friend and a deadly enemy"

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    Oct 03, 2010 5:00 PM GMT
    GQjock said"You have to know that there's a difference between a disappointing friend and a deadly enemy"

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    It's funny how he calls himself a libertarian when he's clearly not.
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    Oct 03, 2010 5:01 PM GMT
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    mocktwinkie saidNo it's not. The OP simply said he doesn't understand why gays have to be democratic. Don't start trying to set fictitious parameters for this discussion in order to avoid addressing the reason WHY it shouldn't be "taboo" for gay men to be republican by vote.


    That is a pretty strange reading of the first post:
    WaxonNiether republicans or democrats like gay people. so why is it taboo for a gay man to be republican?


    The OP can't figure out why it is taboo because he falsely believes the records of both parties are equal when they are clearly not. Instead of addressing that you changed the topic to economic policy. How does economic policy affect LGBT people specifically when we are represented in every income bracket and every profession. To try and argue that economics is the root cause is absurd when their economic policy does not evenly affect us.

    It is quite obviously their social policy. The economic argument isn't clear to me and you stated:
    MocktwinkieThe degree of alliance that you feel democrats have to gays over republicans (percentage wise) is not enough to justify all of their other disastrous economic policies that horribly affect everyone including the gay community. What part of that can't you comprehend?


    You changed the subject and your argument doesn't make sense. If the Dems economic policy negatively affects everyone, then why is the LGBT community specifically hostile to Republicans? Your argument is why SHOULD the LGBT community be NOT HOSTILE to the Republicans. But the question asking was why IS the LGBT community HOSTILE to the Republicans. Would you care to answer that question?

    So connect the dots for me. It seems to me that you are changing the subject to avoid admitting that the Republicans have a horrendous record on our rights.


    They are hostile to the republicans because of the perception that all republicans are against gay rights and that democrats are for gay rights, but it's not really that simple now is it.
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    Oct 03, 2010 6:17 PM GMT
    Ralphie251 saidWe vote Democrat because their the ones who stand up for our rights. The Republicans just want to do harm to us and whats worse are the Teabaggers. I can just picture them now at their meetings dressed in White Sheets.


    LOL. Almost thought this was in jest at first.
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    Oct 03, 2010 6:19 PM GMT
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    Ralphie251 saidWe vote Democrat because their the ones who stand up for our rights. The Republicans just want to do harm to us and whats worse are the Teabaggers. I can just picture them now at their meetings dressed in White Sheets.


    LOL. Almost thought this was in jest at first.

    He has provided many laughs. I suspect he might be a conservative who has this identity to make humorous statements. (It's not I.)