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    Oct 02, 2010 2:11 PM GMT
    What vegetarian foods and vegetarian drinks are there for male body builders?
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    Oct 02, 2010 3:37 PM GMT
    probably not my place to preach but why not healthy red meat?
  • LJay

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    Oct 02, 2010 3:57 PM GMT
    A part of me wants to agree with track boi, cows are vegetarians, right?

    On the other hand there is a lot to be said for vegetarian foods, whether you are strictly a vegetarian or an omnivore.

    Nutrition, to me, means variety. Beans, whole grains as cereals or baked into bread, veggies of any color: green, yellow, red, white....spinach and cabbage and lettuces of all sorts, herbs, spices, nuts, oils, soy products, bulgur, apples, squash, pears... There is just so much that it is just plain good to eat.

    If I were to be a vegetarian, I would avoid the faddish and the dogmatic, but be sure to hit the library for some good advice about balance. I would also probably read a bit of Michael Pollan, such as In Defense of Food ["Eat food. Not too much. Mostly plants."] and learn just how crazy the "nutrition" movement has become.

    I know this is a long way from " eat 1/2 cup brown rice with 1/2 cup black beans and season with olive oil and chiles" but the experimenting is worth it and I am convinced that psychological enjoyment of food is a vital part of nutrition.

    By the way, tea, coffee, herbal teas, fruit juices, wine and beer count as veggie drinks, right?
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    Oct 02, 2010 4:07 PM GMT
    I was vegetarian for seventeen years. For the first six years, I ate no animal products of any type, but for the last eleven I did eat seafood.

    I tended to eat a lot of soy products, and I am convinced that it depressed my immune system. I know there are conflicting opinions on the frozen soy items that most vegetarians exist on these days, but I am far healthier since cutting them out of my diet. I'm not sure if it is the processing or if I was consuming too much soy, but I discourage anyone from eating that stuff often.

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    Oct 02, 2010 4:16 PM GMT
    There's no such thing as healthy red meats at all.Eating meats is bad our
    health and the environment.I'm proud gay vegetarian.I'm a vegetarian and
    I'm proud of it too.The only meats I will eat veggie meats,rice meats,soy
    meats,tofu meats,vegetarian meats,plant based meats and dicks.
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    Oct 02, 2010 4:17 PM GMT
    veggie drinks are plant based drinks.
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    Oct 02, 2010 4:19 PM GMT
    This has nothing to do with anything, really........well, it pokes fun at vegans.......and it makes me laugh every time i read it....

    http://www.passiveaggressivenotes.com/2007/09/01/ps-bacon-is-life/
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    Oct 02, 2010 4:26 PM GMT
    I'm not a vegan but I'm a vegetarian.I'm a flexitarian.I only eat meats when I
    vist my relatives.Which is usually once a month.They are big meat eaters
    & I'm not.I'm an occassional meat eater.I would like to become a vegan
    someday but I don't any other vegetarians at all and I don't know much
    about vegetarianism,vegans,vegetarians,and vegetarian lifestyles at all.
    I'm a vegetarian rookie.
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    Oct 02, 2010 4:35 PM GMT
    Every person who eats meat should spend one day in a pig or chicken factory farm and witness how the chicken and pork that you buy in the grocery store got there. These animals spend their entire lives indoors, confined in tiny cages, often one cage stacked on top of the next so that the animals defecate and urinate right onto the animals below them. Every person who eats meat should spend one day in a slaughterhouse and witness how cows, pigs and poultry are killed and butchered. You'll never think the same way about eating meat again, I guarantee you.

    If you eat meat you should watch the following two videos. I guarantee that these seven and a half minutes will change your life forever.



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    Oct 02, 2010 4:41 PM GMT
    fastfreddie saidEvery person who eats meat should spend one day in a pig or chicken factory farm and witness how the chicken and pork that you buy in the grocery store got there. These animals spend their entire lives indoors, confined in tiny cages, often one cage stacked on top of the next so that the animals deficate and urinate right onto the animals below them. Every person who eats meat should spend one day in a slaughter house and witness how cows, pigs and poultry are killed and butchered. You'll never think the same way about eating meat again, I guarantee you.

    If you eat meat you should watch the following two videos. I guarantee that these seven and a half minutes will change your life forever.


    That applies IF you get meat from "factory farms"........but not true if you buy from small local farms or dine in restaurants that purchase meat from small local farms. There are a lot of small farms, at least in my area, that don't mistreat livestock, overcrowd animals, or pump them full of drugs.
  • metta

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    Oct 02, 2010 4:43 PM GMT
    It would be nice if people would actually answer his question. Trying to convince people one way or the other is usually a waste of time and counter-productive.

    I have been a vegeatarian for 20 years. I eat a wide variety of foods.


    For protein:
    I eat a lot of yogurt, nuts, lentils (love a super fresh lentil soup), products with soy and whey, oatmeal, etc. I love the MetRx Pancake mix.

    Many of the faux meat products are high in protein. The Trader Joe's vegetarian italian sausage is a good one when grilled up with a cast iron pan. Fieldroast makes some really good products. I really love their Celebration Roast: http://www.fieldroast.com/

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    http://www.veganbodybuilding.com/

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    Oct 02, 2010 4:52 PM GMT
    skotty75 said
    That applies IF you get meat from "factory farms"........but not true if you buy from small local farms or dine in restaurants that purchase meat from small local farms. There are a lot of small farms, at least in my area, that don't mistreat livestock, overcrowd animals, or pump them full of drugs.


    I am sure you realize that a small fraction of one percent of the meat available in the US is produced this way.
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    Oct 02, 2010 4:57 PM GMT
    God hates vegetarians. It's in the Bible (Romans 14:2).

    So don't risk burning in the fiery lake of hell for all eternity. Eat meat.
  • mdswimmer

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    Oct 02, 2010 4:59 PM GMT
    vegan here. i dont try to sway people one or another. just look at what your putting into your body.

    in answer to the question, VEGA products rock!!!

    they have a line of pre / post workout shake mixes.

    their sport line for pre and during workouts simply are amazing. they definitely contributed to a sub 7 10 k at Nation's tri.

    also have helped get my body fat down to 12 %.

    lastly, look into meat is for pussies by john joseph, a bit heavy handed but a very handy resource.
  • metatextual

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    Oct 02, 2010 5:09 PM GMT
    i would suggest reading the thrive diet by brazier.
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    Oct 02, 2010 5:14 PM GMT
    beans and quinoa
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    Oct 02, 2010 5:32 PM GMT
    Global_Citizen saidGod hates vegetarians. It's in the Bible (Romans 14:2).

    So don't risk burning in the fiery lake of hell for all eternity. Eat meat.


    Seriously? God hates homosexuals. It's in the bible http://esv.scripturetext.com/leviticus/18-22.htm

    So don't risk burning in the fiery lake of hell for all eternity. Don't suck dick.
  • BlackBeltGuy

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    Oct 02, 2010 6:20 PM GMT
    hardcore veg for 9 years, just went back to meat and im so much more healthier and noticed a difference in my body


    HOW THE FUCK DID I DEPRIVE MY BODY OF BACON????
    lol
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    Oct 02, 2010 6:29 PM GMT
    Vegetarian and proud.I have no health problems and I'm quite active.

    The OP asked a serious questions and instead got bashed by all the meat eaters. Get over it guys. Some of us made a choice to not eat meat, we're not forcing you to do it.

    To the OP-

    You can get protein for building muscle from everything you eat in a veggie diet, legumes, beans and leafy greens are full of protein. If you are a vegetarian and try to stick with mostly fruit then you'll throw your body off balance, you need the vegetables too.

    If you are not a vegan, why not just go with the whey protein or if you are there is soy/mixed protein you can buy.

    Also CLIF makes Buidler bar's they are (for the most part) completely vegan and contain 20grams of protein per serving.

    I'm just assuming you meant protein stuff since you said bodybuilding. Eat right and you'll have all the energy in the world to go lift heavy objects and then put them back down.

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    Oct 02, 2010 7:08 PM GMT
    fastfreddie said
    Global_Citizen saidGod hates vegetarians. It's in the Bible (Romans 14:2).

    So don't risk burning in the fiery lake of hell for all eternity. Eat meat.


    Seriously? God hates homosexuals. It's in the bible http://esv.scripturetext.com/leviticus/18-22.htm

    So don't risk burning in the fiery lake of hell for all eternity. Don't suck dick.

    If you have to ask if I'm serious, you need to read more of my posts. icon_confused.gif
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    Oct 02, 2010 7:27 PM GMT
    I was raised vegan and have remained so. It's more for health reasons and not animal cruelty though (it's been proven that meat increases the risk of getting certain cancers). For protein you will find plentiful amounts eating beans and rice and garbanzos as well as tofu and a variety of veggie meats (soy based) that imitates everything from bacon to ribs to chicken nuggets and fish. Soy protein does a good job, and although in the long run it is just as effective as whey, it does not seem to be as fast acting and results will take a little longer. I do work out a lot but I'm not a body builder.
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    Oct 02, 2010 7:30 PM GMT
    http://www.meatisforpussies.org/

    http://www.veganbodybuilding.com/?page=menu_nutrition


    I mean, it can be done- it's just takes a little more planning than the typical omni diet.

    Legumes, beans, soy, lentils, seitan, TVP (textured vegetable protein), nuts, brocolli, spinach (and a lot of the leafy green vegetables are high in protein. Leafy green vegetables (spinach, kale, ect), okra, mustard greens, hummus, almond milk/soy milk/cow milk (if you're only interested in lacto-ovo vegetarianism are good sources of calcium. And, of course, if you're just thinking about going lacto-ovo; eggs are high in protein as well.
    track_boi
    probably not my place to preach but why not healthy red meat?


    Because read meat consumption more than doubles the risk of colon cancer, and the saturated fats in it contributes to heart disease, and atherosclerosis? Meanwhile a vegetarian diet is proven to lower the risk of developing hart disease, osteoporosis, hypertension, obesity, kidney disease, and diabetes.
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    Oct 02, 2010 7:42 PM GMT
    mocktwinkie said... and a variety of veggie meats (soy based) that imitates everything from bacon to ribs to chicken nuggets and fish.

    Having toyed with vegetarianism once or twice in the past, and during those times trying these products, I can only say... GROSS.

    Some kind of pulverized, processed, and shaped glop of soy paste does not resemble bacon, ribs, chicken, fish or any other real meat in any way. Not in the way it feels in the mouth, the way it looks on the plate, and certainly not the way it tastes.

    These things are just pointless. If I ever decide, in a fit of insanity, to be a dedicated vegetarian, I will stick to real food like nuts, vegetables, beans, fruits, and grains and skip the processed faux foods.
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    Oct 02, 2010 7:48 PM GMT
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    mocktwinkie said... and a variety of veggie meats (soy based) that imitates everything from bacon to ribs to chicken nuggets and fish.

    Having toyed with vegetarianism once or twice in the past, and during those times trying these products, I can only say... GROSS.

    Some kind of pulverized, processed, and shaped glop of soy paste does not resemble bacon, ribs, chicken, fish or any other real meat in any way. Not in the way it feels in the mouth, the way it looks on the plate, and certainly not the way it tastes.

    These things are just pointless. If I ever decide, in a fit of insanity, to be a dedicated vegetarian, I will stick to real food like nuts, vegetables, beans, fruits, and grains and skip the processed faux foods.


    How long ago was your last dabble into vegetarianism? Some of the faux meats these days are actually rather good (except for vegan cheese...stay far far away from that).

    Boca's CHIKUN products taste a little to much like the real deal, in my opinion. The veggie burgers of theirs are a little less natural, but the taste is still pretty dead on. Same with any of the fauxs in Amy's products.

    Then again, I've been vegan for seven years now, so it's possible I've just forgotten what real chicken and beef tastes like. :p

    /preachy veggie
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    Oct 02, 2010 7:52 PM GMT
    GAYBIGMACHODUDE1972 saidThere's no such thing as healthy red meats at all.Eating meats is bad our
    health and the environment.



    Where's the validity in that statement. Sure if you buy meat like the uneducated populous... but you don't have to. Support local farmers. "Meet your meat"

    Eat meat because it is healthy. You can lead a very healthy vegetarian life and even excel at sports just like one of my hero's Edwin Moses.

    But the fact remains that red meat, among others, are healthy and the practice can be "humane".

    And my ass hole comment will be: Don't research for your self, watch more one sided documentaries and base ur lifestyle on them.