How Race affects the messages you get

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    Oct 03, 2010 2:13 PM GMT
    I will keep this post up, and I'll take all the critisizm and hits this time lol But this proves race does affect who'll respond to who. Alot of the white males who claim "its just a preference" dont even realize why they think this way.


    Same-Sex Data for Race vs. Reply Rates
    This is an OkTrends micro-post: weird, interesting, or provocative stuff that we've found in the online dating data mines.

    As promised, here are the same-sex versions of last week’s charts and tables. In general, they show that straights and gays share many of the same inclinations, but the prejudices of the latter are perhaps a bit less pronounced. I should say at the top that some of the sample sizes for the various race/gender slices presented here are rather small (for instance, OkCupid doesn’t have many lesbians of Indian descent), and that accounts, I think, for some of the scatter-shot nature of the color tables. Race preferences are not nearly as stark here as they are with the heterosexual data.

    See for yourself: (Charts inside link)


    http://blog.okcupid.com/index.php/same-sex-data-race-reply/


    Still, there are a few conclusions we can draw:

    Blacks get fewer responses. We saw this with the straight data, too, and here it’s true of both gay and lesbian senders. Black gay men get over 20% fewer responses than non-blacks, which is about how straight black men fared. Black women, on the other hand, do relatively much better with gays than straights. While they’re still the least replied-to group, the discrepancy is much smaller in the lesbian community.
    Whites respond by far the least to anyone.. Both white lesbians and white gay men write the fewest replies. In fact, across the two charts, whites respond about 15% less often than non-whites, and white gay men show a marked preference for other whites. On the other hand, gay white women don’t have the segregationist tendencies of their straight counterparts; they just dis everyone. Whereas last week we saw that straight white women strongly preferred other whites to the exclusion of other groups, lesbian whites respond to all 9 racial groups roughly evenly, and, in general, the lesbian community seems relatively colorblind. Only Indian lesbians receive a response rate far off the average, and as I said above, the sample size there is limited and the results might be skewed by chance.
    Asian lesbians are in demand, and they’re picky about other races. Gay Asian females are replied to the most, and, among the well-represented groups, they have the most defined racial preferences: they respond very well to other Asians, Whites, Native Americans, and Middle Easterners, but very poorly to the other groups. Latin women also express a clear preference, for Whites and Asians.
    Men prefer Middle Easterners. Gay men and straight men both respond best to Middle Easterners, and the preference is quite dramatic. I’d be interested to hear any theories why this is so.
    As we did last week, we can see that all groups think, theoretically, that interracial relationships are acceptable, yet again whites are the least willing to have such a relationship themselves. This time it’s the men, not the women, who prefer most to keep to their own: it’s interesting that both in reply patterns and in their answers to these two match questions, the behavior of white straight women and white gay men are so closely parallel.


    http://blog.okcupid.com/index.php/same-sex-data-race-reply/


    To our friends in the gay and lesbian communities: thanks for being patient and waiting for this data. We will do gay-centric articles in the future, I promise. Lately, since we’ve been dealing with complex and data-intensive subjects like race and reply rates, we’ve had to restrict ourselves to straight data in the primary post. We felt that adding a discussion of gay and lesbian trends alongside straight ones would triple the length of an already long and dense post and surely more than triple reader confusion. We will keep looking for ways to present the information you rightly expect; for now, it will be in addenda such as this one.
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    Oct 03, 2010 2:24 PM GMT

    I truly admire all of the research you have done here...but I don't get the point of it.
    Are you writing a dissertation or thesis? Or just presenting hard facts regarding trends that are not going to get much attention on this site.
    I waded through your entire post...and still don't understand what point you are trying to make.
    I think most intelligent men on RJ are aware that there are probably vast differences among us.. but quite honestly... it's just too much information on a very sensitive subject.
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    Oct 03, 2010 2:37 PM GMT
    Thanks for your post, I think this has been discussed quiet a few times here on realjock. However it is worth re-discussing it as some might have new insights to add.

    In terms of sexual/relational preference, I am not sure anymore if I have a certain preference. I know of myself that I really don't care so much about once race, but lately I somehow tend to observe "benefits" that come with guys that share my origin. I say origin here, which is surprising cause I was born and raised elsewhere. This by the way has nothing to do with physical attraction, cause I am definitely unbiased in that field. I am talking about shared values, characteristics (cold/warm blooded) and many other things. I tend to share more of that with non-whites, so this can be considered discriminatory to whites rather than to anyone else.

    Concerning daily life, I tend to notice an almost unconscious tendency of racism and discrimination. Checking my pockets for my mobile phone and wallet when surrounded by certain races or generally shoddy looking people. Also gender issues such as the feeling that women can't drive when being annoyed by one on the road. Right after that thought - which happens in a split of a second - I feel very disgusted of myself and try to recover it by proving myself wrong and being extra nice to that person that did not realise that I've just done him/her wrong. I've long thought about these feelings, but I haven't found a way to battle them effectively, so any suggestions are very much welcomed. May I also add that I am part of several communities (incl. race) that incur much racism and discrimination. Therefore one'd think I'd be clean of these feelings/thoughts.
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    Oct 03, 2010 7:32 PM GMT
    i knew this long ago before these statistics and survey was done..partly the reason why i rarely log in..and if i do i only do it to look at the workout charts or reply in the forums. thats it. So im glad i wasn't just being paranoid.
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    Oct 03, 2010 7:41 PM GMT
    i'm with "Friendsrbetter"........it's interesting........but was is the point that you're trying make? When you use the term "reply" does that mean a profile gets a reply or does it mean that a person who sends a message gets a reply to their message? From my own experience, content of a profile or a message someone sends me is going to determine whether a reply is sent by me. If there's nothing in a profile or if a profile is just littered with typos, then i likely won't reply. And if someone sends me a message, the content of the message is what determines whether or not they get a reply. I think the data presented makes for interesting observations, but content is important too.
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    Oct 03, 2010 8:00 PM GMT
    ebonyluv said... this proves race does affect who'll respond to who. Alot of the white males who claim "its just a preference" dont even realize why they think this way.
    That is soooo true!
    I'll never forget my first black guy (raised in the deep south in a prejudiced environment)...just had to try it out several years ago to see if it was subconscious prejudice, or a true lack of attraction. Turns out it was subconscious prejudice. The dude was awesome, both in looks and personality. We ended up long-distance dating (80 miles from each other) for the next 2 years till I moved away.

    I think if more white guys would open their minds and experiment, they'd also find that the idea of "it's just a preference" is nothing but a subconscious prejudice that was taught to them during their formative years.
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    Oct 03, 2010 10:51 PM GMT
    that shit is way too much reading.
    Somebody provide me the cliff notes.
    kthnx
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    Oct 03, 2010 10:58 PM GMT
    I'm well aware of this stuff and I go through it everyday. But I really don't let it effect me because if people won't talk to me because of the color of my skin, he/she's too far below my level anyways. It's a pain in the ass and many times, I feel like punching some of these asswipes. But that's not my job. They'll get what they deserve and I won't have to get blood on my hands to make it happen.

    And ebonyluv, I respect you for calling people out on ignorance. But don't let it make your heart even more hard towards people. Not all people are full of shit. Don't let "racism" and/or ignorance turn you into the very kind of person that you can't stand to see or be around.
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    Oct 03, 2010 11:04 PM GMT
    Import saidthat shit is way too much reading.
    Somebody provide me the cliff notes.
    kthnx


    Ima help u out bro.

    Black get the fewest responses by 20%.

    Black Woman do better with gays than straights.

    White straight Women/White gay Men are least likely to date out of their race (essentially White only in many cases).

    White Lesbians/White Gay men write the fewest replies.

    Lesbian community is largely colorblind when it comes to race.

    Latin Lesbians prefer Whites or Asians.

    Indian Lesbians = ratings are skewed, but from the data it shows they are above Avg.
    Asian Lesbians = picky about races, but they are sought after. Respond best towards Asians,Whites,Native Americans an Middle Eastern, but NOT Black or Hispanic,etc.

    Gay Men/Straight men prefer Middle Easterners the most, no drama.
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    Oct 03, 2010 11:06 PM GMT
    Nothing really new, but I wish I knew why some look down on others because the color of our skin. Racist are just ignorant anyway yehhh icon_surprised.gif
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    Oct 03, 2010 11:07 PM GMT
    Import saidthat shit is way too much reading.
    Somebody provide me the cliff notes.
    kthnx

    tldr..
    Dating site survey says:
    Asian lesbians = hot
    Black gays = not hot
    Asian gays = don't exist
    White gays = live in some parallel universe where they only date each other

    I have to say that the results of that survey and the write-up were awful. It's high school level at best.
    Nothing to see here. Move along.
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    Oct 03, 2010 11:08 PM GMT
    Cupid saidNothing really new, but I wish I knew why some look down on others because the color of our skin. Racist are just ignorant anyway yehhh icon_surprised.gif


    Don't you love it when guys try to be nice about it and say "Oh you're not my type"? Just say you don't like men or color and stop bein a pussy about it. Lol.
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    Oct 03, 2010 11:09 PM GMT
    QuadraticEquation said
    Import saidthat shit is way too much reading.
    Somebody provide me the cliff notes.
    kthnx


    Ima help u out bro.

    Black get the fewest responses by 20%.

    Black Woman do better with gays than straights.

    White straight Women/White gay Men are least likely to date out of their race (essentially White only in many cases).

    White Lesbians/White Gay men write the fewest replies.

    Lesbian community is largely colorblind when it comes to race.

    Latin Lesbians prefer Whites or Asians.

    Indian Lesbians = ratings are skewed, but from the data it shows they are above Avg.
    Asian Lesbians = picky about races, but they are sought after. Respond best towards Asians,Whites,Native Americans an Middle Eastern, but NOT Black or Hispanic,etc.

    Gay Men/Straight men prefer Middle Easterners the most, no drama.


    Photobucket wtf?
    im glad i didnt waste my time reading it.
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    Oct 03, 2010 11:09 PM GMT
    Friendsrbetter said
    I truly admire all of the research you have done here...but I don't get the point of it.
    Are you writing a dissertation or thesis? Or just presenting hard facts regarding trends that are not going to get much attention on this site.
    I waded through your entire post...and still don't understand what point you are trying to make.
    I think most intelligent men on RJ are aware that there are probably vast differences among us.. but quite honestly... it's just too much information on a very sensitive subject.


    I don't think it's his post; he's quoting from a dating website that does this kind of analysis.

    The point is just that it's interesting. And it *is* really damn interesting.
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    Oct 03, 2010 11:10 PM GMT
    Import said
    QuadraticEquation said
    Import saidthat shit is way too much reading.
    Somebody provide me the cliff notes.
    kthnx


    Ima help u out bro.

    Black get the fewest responses by 20%.

    Black Woman do better with gays than straights.

    White straight Women/White gay Men are least likely to date out of their race (essentially White only in many cases).

    White Lesbians/White Gay men write the fewest replies.

    Lesbian community is largely colorblind when it comes to race.

    Latin Lesbians prefer Whites or Asians.

    Indian Lesbians = ratings are skewed, but from the data it shows they are above Avg.
    Asian Lesbians = picky about races, but they are sought after. Respond best towards Asians,Whites,Native Americans an Middle Eastern, but NOT Black or Hispanic,etc.

    Gay Men/Straight men prefer Middle Easterners the most, no drama.


    Photobucket wtf?
    im glad i didnt waste my time reading it.



    Basically the thing is bollox... Just stick to not reading polls, because it either does a small sample or has inconclusive results.
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    Oct 03, 2010 11:11 PM GMT
    Monir saidThanks for your post, I think this has been discussed quiet a few times here on realjock. However it is worth re-discussing it as some might have new insights to add.


    Those weren't discussions. They were bitch-fests.

    I find that I tend to be less biased when it comes to women than to men- it's just a shame I'm not all that sexually aroused by women.
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    Oct 03, 2010 11:26 PM GMT
    QuadraticEquation saidWhite straight Women/White gay Men are least likely to date out of their race (essentially White only in many cases).


    Well this makes fucking sense. They're the majority. They're most likely to date outside of their race simply because statistically if they date ANYONE out of a group of 100 people, chances are it will be someone within their racial group because they belong to the largest group.

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    Oct 03, 2010 11:26 PM GMT
    Cupid saidNothing really new, but I wish I knew why some look down on others because the color of our skin. Racist are just ignorant anyway yehhh icon_surprised.gif


    Wait a sec.........are people actually inferring that someone is a racist based on who they reply or don't reply to? And how can anyone be certain that the reason they don't get a reply is because of the color of their skin?
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    Oct 03, 2010 11:27 PM GMT
    I'd like to know how Black Americans feel they are treated vs Black African Americans...you know the ones who actually just came over from Africa at some point in their life. I notice when I interact with them they seem far more confident and don't have this "white people hate me" complex. icon_cool.gif
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    Oct 03, 2010 11:27 PM GMT
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    Cupid saidNothing really new, but I wish I knew why some look down on others because the color of our skin. Racist are just ignorant anyway yehhh icon_surprised.gif


    Wait a sec.........are people actually inferring that someone is a racist based on who they reply or don't reply to? And how can anyone be certain that the reason they don't get a reply is because of the color of their skin?


    Look at the hot lists. Look at who they talk to in the chat room. See if you message them more than once and never get an answer. All you can do is assume. Assumptions aren't really that solid, but for some people, they are.
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    Oct 03, 2010 11:28 PM GMT
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    skotty75 said
    Cupid saidNothing really new, but I wish I knew why some look down on others because the color of our skin. Racist are just ignorant anyway yehhh icon_surprised.gif


    Wait a sec.........are people actually inferring that someone is a racist based on who they reply or don't reply to? And how can anyone be certain that the reason they don't get a reply is because of the color of their skin?


    Look at the hot lists. Look at who they talk to in the chat room. See if you message them more than once and never get an answer. All you can do is assume. Assumptions aren't really that solid, but for some people, they are.


    Well if your penises weren't like 18" and thick then I'm sure people would be hittin y'all up more.
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    Oct 03, 2010 11:31 PM GMT
    See what I mean? LOL icon_razz.gif Remind me to give Jake a noogie in the future icon_cool.gif
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    God has let sun kiss me permanently and I do Afro-American well! You will have those that will turn a def ear when you share your experience and discount your credibility as if you've fabricated what you know you've encountered as a man of color. Those who within the blink of an eye will claim your vision of the wrld is tainted by the history of your ppl as if their vision is clarity at best. I've gotten enough replies and enough contact to not care about those who have chosen to let my perm-a-tan be an issueicon_rolleyes.gif Still an interesting read tho.
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    Oct 03, 2010 11:33 PM GMT
    ebonyluv saidAs we did last week, we can see that all groups think, theoretically, that interracial relationships are acceptable, yet again whites are the least willing to have such a relationship themselves. This time it’s the men, not the women, who prefer most to keep to their own: it’s interesting that both in reply patterns and in their answers to these two match questions, the behavior of white straight women and white gay men are so closely parallel.


    Yet again, there are more white men than white women, so chances are a white man will hook up with a white man.

    Run these statistics in Los Angeles where you have a billion Mexicans and a handful of whites. I'd like to see who is sought after. And don't include West Hollywood: that's a white supremacist enclave of homos from around the United States. They're blatantly sexually racist, especially against Asians and Blacks.
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    Oct 03, 2010 11:34 PM GMT
    Steel241 saidSee what I mean? LOL icon_razz.gif Remind me to give Jake a noogie in the future icon_cool.gif


    As long as it's not with your penis...unless...I mean....well......I could use it as a comb....or like.....a body pillow.