How bad is soy for you?

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    Oct 04, 2010 1:34 AM GMT
    I really don't know what studies to believe... Is it really that bad for men as opposed to women?

    I eat a lot of morningstar/worthington soy meat products (10 times a week probably), since I've been trying to cut down on red meat... I doubt what I'm doing is healthy right (besides the salt overload)?

    What can i substitute for Meat/chicken/turkey (the later 2 not being red meat, but I want to cut the amount of cholesterol I take in) that is a healthy substitute?

    I already eat eggs, but there aren't many types of fish I'm that interested in eating. I'm not really a fish person. Also besides wraps, what is a good substitute for bread?
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    Oct 04, 2010 2:02 AM GMT
    WRT your first question - the really short answer is that you have to eat a SHITLOAD of soy before it's going to start messing with your hormone profile.
    I have a bunch of male vegan friends who are also lifters - they eat a lot of soy (as part of a balanced diet), lift a lot and they're built. No 'feminising' going on there..
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    Oct 04, 2010 2:49 AM GMT
    Here's links to the Mayo Clinic about soy that I think you'll find helpful. The issue that people have with soy are estrogen-like effects that it could have on your body. But as it is pointed out r_evoluntionary, don't consume too much and you'll be fine (of course, unless you have either an allergy, or genetic predisposition, or other issue that you shouldn't or can't consumer soy). Always remember to consult a licensed healthcare provider such as a dietician, nurse, or doctor for additional information.

    Soy background:
    http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/soy/NS_patient-soy

    Soy potential benefits:
    http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/soy/NS_patient-soy/DSECTION=evidence

    Soy dosing:
    http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/soy/NS_patient-soy/DSECTION=dosing

    Soy precautions/safety:
    http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/soy/NS_patient-soy/DSECTION=safety

    Mayo Clinic references for their soy information:
    http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/soy/NS_patient-soy/DSECTION=selected-references
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    Oct 04, 2010 2:53 AM GMT
    Thanks for the info guys. Any ideas as what I could substitute in place of those proteins?

    I'm looking for something that is filling, but not caloric.
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    Oct 04, 2010 2:58 AM GMT
    It makes me fart.
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    Oct 04, 2010 3:03 AM GMT
    I eat edamame, tofu and soy every day and last time I checked my dick was still a dick and not a vag so I guess I'm still doing OK.
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    Oct 04, 2010 3:06 AM GMT
    TheProduct saidI eat edamame, tofu and soy every day and last time I checked my dick was still a dick and not a vag so I guess I'm still doing OK.

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    Oct 04, 2010 3:18 AM GMT
    QuadraticEquation saidThanks for the info guys. Any ideas as what I could substitute in place of those proteins?

    I'm looking for something that is filling, but not caloric.


    I don't know a lot about it, but I hear quinoa is high in protein..?
    What about doing creative stuff with nuts, beans and legumes?
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    Oct 04, 2010 3:44 AM GMT
    r_evolutionary said
    QuadraticEquation saidThanks for the info guys. Any ideas as what I could substitute in place of those proteins?

    I'm looking for something that is filling, but not caloric.


    I don't know a lot about it, but I hear quinoa is high in protein..?
    What about doing creative stuff with nuts, beans and legumes?



    Quinoa is pretty good.

    Beans/legumes are great, I want to stay away from stuff high in fat (even if it's a good kind in moderation) like nuts.

    I really enjoy edamame. Some of these completely slipped my mind, thanks for bring them up guys.
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    Oct 04, 2010 5:43 AM GMT
    QuadraticEquation said
    r_evolutionary said
    QuadraticEquation saidThanks for the info guys. Any ideas as what I could substitute in place of those proteins?

    I'm looking for something that is filling, but not caloric.


    I don't know a lot about it, but I hear quinoa is high in protein..?
    What about doing creative stuff with nuts, beans and legumes?



    Quinoa is pretty good.

    Beans/legumes are great, I want to stay away from stuff high in fat (even if it's a good kind in moderation) like nuts.

    I really enjoy edamame. Some of these completely slipped my mind, thanks for bring them up guys.


    Fat's what keeps you full though. Not sure if you're trying to lose weight, but if you are, don't skip the fats (which you need to be healthy), just skip the saturated fats.

    ...I've said "fat" way to many times in this post...Fat...

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  • Space_Cowboy_...

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    Oct 04, 2010 5:45 AM GMT
    I personally don't like it I think it's texture is unbearable
  • Vaughn

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    Oct 04, 2010 5:53 AM GMT
    GuerrillaSodomite saidIt makes me fart.


    I drink soy milk 'cause dairy milk makes me fart.
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    Oct 04, 2010 6:02 AM GMT
    Whey is just a better protein than soy. Chicken is a very good protein, but if you worry about cholesterol levels go with egg whites.

    There is no substitute for bread, believe me... i've looked. No cracker, wheat thin, or modified starch will substitute bread. Although there is that Helthy Life whole wheat bread that's only 5 carbs per slice!
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    Oct 04, 2010 7:30 AM GMT
    Pinny said
    TheProduct saidI eat edamame, tofu and soy every day and last time I checked my dick was still a dick and not a vag so I guess I'm still doing OK.

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  • ThePsychonaut

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    Oct 04, 2010 7:36 AM GMT
    Its best to avoid genetically engineered soy as your body has a hard time differentiating that from estrogen, most countries have laws that require gen mod food to be labled so just keep your eye out.
  • X2Qsquare

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    Oct 04, 2010 7:49 AM GMT
    I heard a rumor that eating too much soymilk and watermelon could made you sterile!!!

    Not so sure about this hearsay.
  • jperfit

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    Oct 04, 2010 10:01 AM GMT
    Drink Rice or Almond milk instead
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    Oct 04, 2010 11:14 AM GMT
    You'll only really overeat on fat if you add salt or sugar. Otherwise it'll be filling (and sometimes gross - a natural block on having too much fat in your food).
    Saturated fats and cholesterol in food has been pretty much cleared in the cardiovascular health department. Though factory meats have unnaturally high fat contents because of grain finishing and you might want to avoid that. Cruel to the animal too.

    Fish are good for you and game meats are low in fat (if you are trying to get less calories in).

    Back to the original question:
    If you keep away from processed food you won't get too much soy even with soy milk and tofu. Keep in mind though that soy milk has as much fat as full milk and less protein. BUT I heard an estimate that as much as 70% of processed foods are made from soy. In a frozen pizza you can have soy as a major component of both the bread, the meat, and the cheese. Not really the recipe for a varied diet.
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    Oct 04, 2010 11:43 AM GMT


    Just a general comment, but I really think anything you eat 10 times a week is bad for you.

    Everything in moderation is usually the way to go

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    Oct 04, 2010 2:06 PM GMT
    Quinoa is only 15% protein, but the protein it does contain is complete. 70% of quinoa's calories come from carbohydrate.

    http://nutritiondata.self.com/facts/cereal-grains-and-pasta/5705/2
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    Oct 05, 2010 2:34 AM GMT
    X2Qsquare saidI heard a rumor that eating too much soymilk and watermelon could made you sterile!!!

    Not so sure about this hearsay.


    I wonder what percentage of guys on this site would take that into consideration.
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    Oct 05, 2010 2:49 AM GMT
    I hear it makes you grow tits and your dick falls off.
  • BlackBeltGuy

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    Oct 05, 2010 3:00 AM GMT
    you get bitch tits
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    Jan 14, 2011 10:34 PM GMT
    soy is really bad for men and women, if you are on warfarin sodium (coumadin)
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    Jan 14, 2011 10:50 PM GMT
    WHEY = good
    SOY = bad