Gay Student Teacher Fired for Saying He Wanted to Marry a Man?

  • metta

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    Oct 04, 2010 2:32 PM GMT
    Gay Student Teacher Fired for Saying He Wanted to Marry a Man?

    http://gayrights.change.org/blog/view/gay_student_teacher_fired_for_saying_he_wanted_to_marry_a_man



    Tell Beaverton School District: Student Teachers Shouldn't Be Fired Over Sexual Orientation
    http://www.change.org/petitions/view/tell_beaverton_school_district_student_teachers_shouldnt_be_fired_over_sexual_orientation

    Oregon Non-Discrimination Law: includes protection from discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation.

    http://law.onecle.com/oregon/659A-unlawful-discrimination-in-employment-public/659A.006.html


    You can email them directly...scroll to bottom of link:

    http://www.beaverton.k12.or.us/home/district/contact-us/#contact
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    Oct 04, 2010 6:21 PM GMT
    southbeach1500 said
    metta8 saidGay Student Teacher Fired for Saying He Wanted to Marry a Man?

    http://gayrights.change.org/blog/view/gay_student_teacher_fired_for_saying_he_wanted_to_marry_a_man



    Tell Beaverton School District: Student Teachers Shouldn't Be Fired Over Sexual Orientation
    http://www.change.org/petitions/view/tell_beaverton_school_district_student_teachers_shouldnt_be_fired_over_sexual_orientation


    To a 4th grade class.

    Stambaugh was asked by a student whether he was married. Stambaugh, openly gay, said that he was not, adding that it would be illegal for him to be married in the state of Oregon because he “would choose to marry another guy.”

    A simple "No" would have been sufficient.

    He exercised bad judgment.



    You're an idiot. Sometimes you post things that make wonder if Art Deco isn't right about you being a Republican plant.
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    Oct 04, 2010 6:39 PM GMT
    southbeach1500 said
    metta8 saidGay Student Teacher Fired for Saying He Wanted to Marry a Man?

    http://gayrights.change.org/blog/view/gay_student_teacher_fired_for_saying_he_wanted_to_marry_a_man



    Tell Beaverton School District: Student Teachers Shouldn't Be Fired Over Sexual Orientation
    http://www.change.org/petitions/view/tell_beaverton_school_district_student_teachers_shouldnt_be_fired_over_sexual_orientation


    To a 4th grade class.

    Stambaugh was asked by a student whether he was married. Stambaugh, openly gay, said that he was not, adding that it would be illegal for him to be married in the state of Oregon because he “would choose to marry another guy.”

    A simple "No" would have been sufficient.

    He exercised bad judgment.



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    Oct 04, 2010 6:49 PM GMT
    DoomsDayAlpaca said
    southbeach1500 said
    metta8 saidGay Student Teacher Fired for Saying He Wanted to Marry a Man?

    http://gayrights.change.org/blog/view/gay_student_teacher_fired_for_saying_he_wanted_to_marry_a_man



    Tell Beaverton School District: Student Teachers Shouldn't Be Fired Over Sexual Orientation
    http://www.change.org/petitions/view/tell_beaverton_school_district_student_teachers_shouldnt_be_fired_over_sexual_orientation


    To a 4th grade class.

    Stambaugh was asked by a student whether he was married. Stambaugh, openly gay, said that he was not, adding that it would be illegal for him to be married in the state of Oregon because he “would choose to marry another guy.”

    A simple "No" would have been sufficient.

    He exercised bad judgment.



    Theres a reason why you're single...



    OH I´m quite sure there are many reasons he´s single.
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    Oct 04, 2010 7:09 PM GMT
    Is south beach even gay? I wonder this sometimes because of the way that he plays the party line so well that I can't help but wonder...
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    Oct 04, 2010 8:50 PM GMT
    SBA simple "No" would have been sufficient.


    Have you ever spoken to an inquisitive 4th grader? The next question after you say no would be, inevitably, "Why?"icon_lol.gif
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    Oct 04, 2010 9:02 PM GMT
    q1w2e3 said
    SBA simple "No" would have been sufficient.


    Have you ever spoken to an inquisitive 4th grader? The next question after you say no would be, inevitably, "Why?"icon_lol.gif



    Don't tempt southbeach to ask you "Why?"
  • coolarmydude

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    Oct 04, 2010 9:07 PM GMT
    southbeach1500 said
    q1w2e3 said
    SBA simple "No" would have been sufficient.


    Have you ever spoken to an inquisitive 4th grader? The next question after you say no would be, inevitably, "Why?"icon_lol.gif


    And if the 4th grader asked him how big his penis was, what should be the answer?

    That there are certain personal boundaries and some questions that are and are not proper.



    You're so wrong! Yeah, the above is obviously inappropriate talk, but you contribute to the stereotype against gays when you make it okay to talk about heterosexual relationships and all the celebrations that go with it, but make a big faux pas out of the same kind of relationships for gays.

    relationships are not equivalent to body parts, for crying out loud!!!! icon_evil.gif
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    Oct 04, 2010 9:17 PM GMT
    Fountains saidIs south beach even gay? I wonder this sometimes because of the way that he plays the party line so well that I can't help but wonder...


    Mind control probes sent through the cable by Fox News. They mostly effect the weak willed. Those crazy Jedi mind tricks. "You will hate yourself and all others like you. Give those more fortunate than you your money. Ignore science unless it profits the financial elite. You like guns."
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    Oct 04, 2010 9:24 PM GMT
    southbeach1500 said
    q1w2e3 said
    SBA simple "No" would have been sufficient.


    Have you ever spoken to an inquisitive 4th grader? The next question after you say no would be, inevitably, "Why?"icon_lol.gif


    And if the 4th grader asked him how big his penis was, what should be the answer?

    That there are certain personal boundaries and some questions that are and are not proper.


    Huge. That's always the answer. Duh. If you don't answer they'll asume it's dinky.
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    Oct 04, 2010 9:25 PM GMT
    So according to this logic he should have been fired for saying "I want to marry a woman" as well.
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    Oct 04, 2010 9:37 PM GMT
    southbeach1500 said

    To a 4th grade class.

    Stambaugh was asked by a student whether he was married. Stambaugh, openly gay, said that he was not, adding that it would be illegal for him to be married in the state of Oregon because he “would choose to marry another guy.”

    A simple "No" would have been sufficient.

    He exercised bad judgment.



    How absurd. He wasn't discussing sex. He was talking about marriage. If a heterosexual teacher was discussing his relationship, there would be no controversy. So there is one standard for straights and another for gays and lesbians?
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    Oct 04, 2010 9:47 PM GMT
    southbeach1500 said
    He exercised bad judgment.


    I am sure we all bow to your expertise in that particular field.
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    Oct 04, 2010 10:04 PM GMT
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    heartrobb said

    How absurd. He wasn't discussing sex. He was talking about marriage. If a heterosexual teacher was discussing his relationship, there would be no controversy. So there is one standard for straights and another for gays and lesbians?


    The absurdity is the refusal of all of you who so far have posted in not recognizing that by opening the door to a discussion of same sex marriage that in turn touches on sexuality.

    And the local school board has (probably) determined that it is not appropriate for "sex-ed" classes to be given to 4th graders. (It's hard to tell as the source quoted is hardly without bias).



    Maybe you have the inability to talk about marriage without bringing sex into, but most of us can engage in a g-rated discussion on the topic when necessary.
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    Oct 04, 2010 10:11 PM GMT
    southbeachThe absurdity is the refusal of all of you who so far have posted in not recognizing that by opening the door to a discussion of same sex marriage that in turn touches on sexuality.


    Apparently a lot of schools have issues with sexuality at any level with the rapid amount of teenage pregnancy. Seriously though I agree if the kid ask him a sexual question it would be best to refer that to the parents, although after working in a school for 7 years most of those 4th graders may be a lot smarter than their parents. However, the guy just answered a simple question. God forbid we teach kids by our actions there is no difference in straight and gay in this day and age.

    Btw these kids are only a few years from the same ages as the recent suicides, some may be the same age. Tolerance must start somewhere, and historically if change is to occur it must start with the youth of a nation.

    Also a lot of 4th graders now are way more advanced than we were as kids. It's kind of scary honestly, when I was working in the school system they were at the same level my friends and I were in 6th grade.
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    Oct 04, 2010 10:15 PM GMT
    southbeach1500 said
    heartrobb said

    How absurd. He wasn't discussing sex. He was talking about marriage. If a heterosexual teacher was discussing his relationship, there would be no controversy. So there is one standard for straights and another for gays and lesbians?


    The absurdity is the refusal of all of you who so far have posted in not recognizing that by opening the door to a discussion of same sex marriage that in turn touches on sexuality.

    And the local school board has (probably) determined that it is not appropriate for "sex-ed" classes to be given to 4th graders. (It's hard to tell as the source quoted is hardly without bias).


    You are for lying to little children? You should run for President some day...
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    Oct 04, 2010 10:19 PM GMT
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    You're an idiot. Sometimes you post things that make wonder if Art Deco isn't right about you being a Republican plant.


    I can't believe it took you 1953 posts to realize that. icon_wink.gif
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    Oct 04, 2010 10:22 PM GMT
    southbeach1500 saidThe absurdity is the refusal of all of you who so far have posted in not recognizing that by opening the door to a discussion of same sex marriage that in turn touches on sexuality.

    And the local school board has (probably) determined that it is not appropriate for "sex-ed" classes to be given to 4th graders. (It's hard to tell as the source quoted is hardly without bias).

    Nonsense, that's your own gay-hostile viewpoint. As stated elsewhere above, a straight teacher could mention his wife, or her husband, without 4th graders automatically imagining them having sex in bed. Why is a gay marriage different to them?

    To young children, marriage mainly means 2 people who live together. Fourth graders may have some understanding of sex, but that's variable by child.

    A gay student teacher mentioning getting married is NOT "opening the door to a discussion of same sex marriage" any more than mentioning straight marriage inevitably leads to discussing straight sex, unless you're an extreme right-wing zealot who always faults gays. A view regarding you that is increasingly becoming accepted here, based on your track record and as noted by others in this post and in other threads.
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    Oct 04, 2010 10:30 PM GMT
    This is just a flat out form of discrimination on the stupidest of levels.

    If the teacher had been straight and said "No, I'm not married because I can't find any hot women who I'm attracted to." then I seriously doubt anything would've happened. The parent that turned him is clearly homophobic and it oddly enough it's the same parent that complained about the teachers clothing option as well. Are you kidding me?

    The teacher needs to sue the school and the parent.
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    Oct 04, 2010 10:43 PM GMT
    How did the teacher overstep his boundaries and try to advance his own personal agendas to a kid who wouldn't even know what he was talking about?
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    Oct 04, 2010 10:44 PM GMT
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    LOVALOT said
    as someone who attended school here and probably not as long ago as you may have, i can say that at 4th grade, yes, they do teach sex ed. it's one of the marvels of living in this day and age that children aren't brought up in such ignorance unless others encourage it to be so.


    1) It's about the policy of the local school board. Do you know that they teach sex ed to 4th graders in that district? No you don't.

    2) The student teacher took advantage of the opportunity to advance his own agenda. He clearly went beyond merely "answering the question" posed to him.


    Yes, poo poo on him. We like our Uncle Toms to be silent and ashamed.
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    Oct 04, 2010 10:47 PM GMT
    southbeach1500 said
    LOVALOT said
    as someone who attended school here and probably not as long ago as you may have, i can say that at 4th grade, yes, they do teach sex ed. it's one of the marvels of living in this day and age that children aren't brought up in such ignorance unless others encourage it to be so.


    1) It's about the policy of the local school board. Do you know that they teach sex ed to 4th graders in that district? No you don't.

    2) The student teacher took advantage of the opportunity to advance his own agenda. He clearly went beyond merely "answering the question" posed to him.


    Student: "Are you married?"

    Teacher: "No"

    Student: "Are you dating someone?"

    Teacher: "Yes"

    Student: "What's her name?"

    Teacher: "Steve"

    There are all kinds of way this could have gone, and we could have wound up with the same result. I find it odd that you of all people would approve of firing a teacher over a trivial question. After all, it is you who constantly chastises "the hens" here about them not seeing the big picture beyond "gay rights/issues". In this instance, I'd think his teaching ability would be more important than his answer to what is essentially a trivial question. What you see as him "advancing a cause" could quite possibly be him just being honest and upfront and I thought, up until this point, that you were a supporter of that.

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    Oct 04, 2010 10:49 PM GMT
    utbtm18 saidSo according to this logic he should have been fired for saying "I want to marry a woman" as well.


    Flawless point!!
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    Oct 04, 2010 10:55 PM GMT
    southbeach1500 said
    LOVALOT said
    as someone who attended school here and probably not as long ago as you may have, i can say that at 4th grade, yes, they do teach sex ed. it's one of the marvels of living in this day and age that children aren't brought up in such ignorance unless others encourage it to be so.


    2) The student teacher took advantage of the opportunity to advance his own agenda. He clearly went beyond merely "answering the question" posed to him.


    That is a ridiculous double standard. The fact of the matter is that children are inquisitive and there is nothing wrong with the answer the teacher gave. Me and my boyfriend interact with all of our friends children and none of them have been scarred by it. We generally leave it to the parents to discuss the issue with the children, but if directly asked I won't lie. Now, if a child asked about our sex life, I would tell him that it is a private matter between adults and if she or he has questions she should ask her parents.

    My mother had lots of 4- and 5-year-olds in her Kindergarten classes and they were full of questions, including was she married. Was I or my brother her husband? (The 19-year age difference between me and Mom didn't matter to them. We were both adults.) And she would answer such questions as I indicated above.

    That's appropriate.
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    Oct 04, 2010 10:58 PM GMT
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    Guy101 saidHow did the teacher overstep his boundaries and try to advance his own personal agendas to a kid who wouldn't even know what he was talking about?


    How can you make such a statement that the kid "wouldn't even know what he was talking about?"

    Do you know if the kid knew anything about homosexuality?

    It's amazing to me (well, not really) how caught up in emotional responses all of you are. You can't see anything remotely connected with the "gay agenda" through an objective prism. It's all knee-jerk, pro-gay at all costs reactions with all of you.


    Okay, Southbitch, I can't believe you actually used the term "Gay Agenda, but anyway, I personally see no difference in a male teacher that happens to be gay expressing a personal thought about his own life after being asked, and any other student teacher anwsering a question about their personal opinions. I Thought the point of school was to be Educated about the world at large?