'Tough Talk' on Homosexuality from an Old and Tired Mormon 'Apostle'

  • metta

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    Oct 04, 2010 5:51 PM GMT
    'Tough Talk' on Homosexuality from an Old and Tired Mormon 'Apostle'


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    Eric Ethington and Pride in Utah rock! Boyd K. Packer lies to his flock. See Eric's interview starting at 1:35 in the clip!

    Top Mormon 'Apostle': We will always oppose Satan's fake marriages






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    Top Mormon 'Apostle': We will always oppose Satan's fake marriages (transcript):

    We raise an alarm and warn members of the Church to wake up and understand what's going on. Parents be alert, ever watchful, that this wickedness might threaten your family circle. We teach a standard of moral conduct that will protect us from Satan's many substitutes and counterfeits for marriage. We must understand that any persuasion to enter into any relationship that is not in harmony with the principles of the Gospel must be wrong. In the Book of Mormon we learn that "wickedness never was happiness." Some suppose that they were "pre-set" and cannot overcome what they feel are inborn tendencies toward the impure and the unnatural. Not so. Why would our Heavenly Father do that to anyone? Remember, He is our Father.

    Paul promised, "God will not suffer you to be tempted above what ye are able, but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it." You can if you will, break the habits and conquer the addiction and come away from that which is not worthy of any member of the church. As Alma cautioned, we must "watch and pray continually." Isaiah warned, "Wo unto them that call evil good and good evil, that put darkness for light and light for darkness, that put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter."

    Years ago, I visited a school in Albuquerque. The teacher told me about a youngster who brought a kitten to class. As you can imagine, that disrupted everything. She had him hold up the kitten in front of the children. It went well until one of the children asked, "Is it a boy kitty or a girl kitty?" Not wanting to get into that lesson, the teacher said, "It doesn't matter, it's just a kitty." But they persisted. Finally one boy raised his hand and said, "I know how you can tell." Resigned to face it, the teacher said, "How can you tell?" And the student answered, "You can vote on it."

    You may laugh at the story. But, if we're not alert, there are those today who not only tolerate but advocate voting to change lives that would legalize immorality. As if a vote would somehow alter the designs of God's laws of nature. A law against nature would be impossible to enforce. For instance, what good would the law against - a vote against - the law of gravity do?

    There are both moral and physical laws irrevocably decreed in Heaven before the foundation of the world that cannot be changed. History demonstrates over and over again that moral standards cannot be changed by battle and cannot be changed by ballot. To legalize that which is basically wrong or evil will not prevent the pain and penalties that will follow as surely as night follows day.

    Regardless of the opposition, we are determined to stay on course. We will hold to the principles and laws and ordinances of the Gospel. If they are misunderstood, either innocently or willfully, so be it. We cannot change, we will not change the moral standards. We quickly lose our way when we disobey the laws of God.
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    Oct 04, 2010 6:10 PM GMT
    Give it time...his grandchildren will end up saying he molested them.
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    Oct 04, 2010 8:56 PM GMT
    Whenever I see this, I think of Paul's made-up word arsenokoitai (which probably meant sleeping with underage male slaves, not homosexuality in general) has been variously translated as masturbation (which Luther thought was the meaning) or homosexuality (first inserted into translations in the 19th century).

    A single made-up word, mistranslated, with consequences for 20 centuries.

    http://www.religioustolerance.org/homarsen.htm
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    Oct 04, 2010 9:06 PM GMT
    Homosexual + Bible = Hypocrisy
  • Vaughn

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    Oct 04, 2010 9:06 PM GMT
    paulflexes saidGive it time...his grandchildren will end up saying he molested them.

    icon_lol.gif !!!
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    Oct 04, 2010 9:42 PM GMT
    Anyone else see the Irony in the fact the old fucker's name is "Packer?"
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    Oct 04, 2010 10:07 PM GMT
    paulflexes saidGive it time...his grandchildren will end up saying he molested them.


    Idiot.
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    Oct 04, 2010 10:09 PM GMT
    Hardly surprising, coming from the Moron Church.
  • Webster666

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    Oct 04, 2010 11:44 PM GMT
    He's in poor health. I hope he's suffering .......................... a lot.
  • metta

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    Oct 06, 2010 5:24 PM GMT
    Mormons divided on LDS apostle’s speech on gays


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  • metta

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    Oct 13, 2010 5:52 PM GMT





    Laugh out loud, Mormons are talking in doublespeak

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    The Mormon Church made an official statement Tuesday shortly after the Human Rights Campaign (HRC) and other gay rights activists and allies presented church leaders in Salt Lake City, Utah, with a petition signed by 150,000 people.
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    http://www.sdgln.com/commentary/2010/10/12/commentary-laugh-out-loud-mormons-are-talking-doublespeak
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    Oct 13, 2010 6:32 PM GMT
    Everyone should watch "8: The Mormon Proposition". An eye-opener. If homosexuals are going to Hell, what difference does it make if they get married on Earth? Seriously, what difference does it make? They're already condemned. How does them getting married effect YOU? I just don't see why these people care so much.
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    Oct 13, 2010 6:34 PM GMT
    The foundations of marrage is in religion, so there is nothing surprising or expected for a religus leader to behold this stance; it was not created for Adam and Steve.

    But Civil Unions is a diffrent matter.

    So it is the activists of America who want move away from the term marriage that in fact , that are holding you back. Civil Unions = gay commitments.

    I being a pure homosexual are not offended by his message to the Mormon people, and he has a right to express it too, after all it was in a Mormon forum that it was done. I also being a pure homosexual do not seek any kind of validation for my 20 year relasionship. it doesn't pay the mortgage, make us happy; only we two can do that, not some piece of paper.

    I also never recall being told my the LDS religion that can can be cured of my sexuality, so I have to question who is telling the fibs.
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    Oct 13, 2010 6:35 PM GMT
    paulflexes saidGive it time...his grandchildren will end up saying he molested them.


    I'm sure that would already be out there is that was the case.
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    Oct 13, 2010 6:38 PM GMT
    I'm sure your leader Obama supports his message. I'm also sure you will not hear him speaking out against it either.
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    Oct 13, 2010 6:44 PM GMT
    ZOMG! Mormon leader iz a Mormon!

    The dude is giving a sermon at a conference devoted to maintaining orthodoxy in the church. How is this at all surprising? Why is this at all news worthy? Framing it as "just after all these gay teen suicides" is cheap. The bigotry those people felt is not any more real or violent just because the public gave a shit for two minutes. There is no sacred time. The Mormon church isn't going to change its long held position because the HRC forwarded a letter with a bunch of signatures it got on the internet. Nor should they. It is a church. Let the church decide what the church's doctrine is.

    I look forward to your next post reminding us that the pope isn't fond of the gays and that bears shit in the woods.
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    Oct 13, 2010 7:16 PM GMT
    ^

    Actually, many Mormons expressed surprise over the speech.

    Reposting from above:
    http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/home/50413221-76/church-lds-packer-speech.html.csp


    I'm not going to get into an argument with you AJ, but I will say that marriage was originally a civil ceremony, not a religious one. Marriage was originally about an exchange of property. Women were originally thought of as property. That is why they had dowries.

    "This was done for many different reasons. It was to ensure alliances, binding powerful families together, and strengthening weaker families. It helped people survive in the barbaric era of early humanity. It was also to ensure that a mans children were biologically his. The female children were the mans property which he would bargain off to strengthen the power of his family while the male children would work and bring in money, also strengthening the family. Marriage existed long before Christianity existed, therefore it was created by man for survival purposes."

    Marriage has continuously evolved, and is still evolving today. It has never been static, even though many religious leaders would like you to think otherwise. And to say that only religion has a right to decide who can get married is wrong, at least on a government recognition basis. Do not confuse civil marriage with religious marriage.


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    Any laws in society that are designed to make glbt people lesser humans than the rest of society must go. Period. Civil Unions are not marriage. If you need to learn more, please review the transcripts of the prop 8 trial. Civil Unions would create a second class citizen. Also see the transcript from the MA Supreme Court, Goodridge v. Dep't of Health, as one example.

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    Oct 14, 2010 3:19 AM GMT
    aunty_jack saidI'm sure your leader Obama supports his message. I'm also sure you will not hear him speaking out against it either.


    Fuck Obama, he is nobody's leader. He has been worthy of no more than lip service, just like the rest of them.

    And as far as marriage being based on religion. That's a valid argument up till the point that the state issues a license bestowing all sorts of benefits on the couple. Once that happens, it is a civil issue and all the religious zealots and pagan worshippers can go back to their little tax exempt shelters and fuck themselves.
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    Oct 14, 2010 10:25 AM GMT
    Consolation ........................ the old geezer will be dead soon

    Boyd K. .... Packer? icon_biggrin.gif
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    Oct 14, 2010 11:53 AM GMT
    metta8 said^

    Actually, many Mormons expressed surprise over the speech.

    Reposting from above:
    http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/home/50413221-76/church-lds-packer-speech.html.csp


    I'm not going to get into an argument with you AJ, but I will say that marriage was originally a civil ceremony, not a religious one. Marriage was originally about an exchange of property. Women were originally thought of as property. That is why they had dowries.

    "This was done for many different reasons. It was to ensure alliances, binding powerful families together, and strengthening weaker families. It helped people survive in the barbaric era of early humanity. It was also to ensure that a mans children were biologically his. The female children were the mans property which he would bargain off to strengthen the power of his family while the male children would work and bring in money, also strengthening the family. Marriage existed long before Christianity existed, therefore it was created by man for survival purposes."

    Marriage has continuously evolved, and is still evolving today. It has never been static, even though many religious leaders would like you to think otherwise. And to say that only religion has a right to decide who can get married is wrong, at least on a government recognition basis. Do not confuse civil marriage with religious marriage.


    30192_441938799391_637239391_5682039_323


    Any laws in society that are designed to make glbt people lesser humans than the rest of society must go. Period. Civil Unions are not marriage. If you need to learn more, please review the transcripts of the prop 8 trial. Civil Unions would create a second class citizen. Also see the transcript from the MA Supreme Court, Goodridge v. Dep't of Health, as one example.



    Now go and look at the gay communities dark past, we where not and am not a bunch of saints. The thought of gays killing each other in the 80s just because they did not want their dick to miss out on the party is forever tattooed in my memory; wait that still goes on. People who live in glass houses.
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    Oct 14, 2010 12:14 PM GMT
    GQjock saidConsolation ........................ the old geezer will be dead soon

    Boyd K. .... Packer? icon_biggrin.gif


    And there is a long line of people to replace, him, and him, and him, and him, and him, and him to; so on.
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    Oct 14, 2010 1:21 PM GMT
    It’s so sad to see the opportunity to espouse Gods love wasted on espousing hate and personal bias. As we speak a group of open-minded theologians is re-looking at the Greek Lexicon and the translations of the bible. They are finding that most of the passages in reference to homosexuality in the Old Testament where poorly translated and or have 5 ways of interpretation depending on use and context. icon_eek.gif

    In an age where words can kill… It’s always nice to know that that man has the floor. icon_sad.gif

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    Oct 14, 2010 1:28 PM GMT
    aunty_jack said
    metta8 said^

    Actually, many Mormons expressed surprise over the speech.

    Reposting from above:
    http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/home/50413221-76/church-lds-packer-speech.html.csp


    I'm not going to get into an argument with you AJ, but I will say that marriage was originally a civil ceremony, not a religious one. Marriage was originally about an exchange of property. Women were originally thought of as property. That is why they had dowries.

    "This was done for many different reasons. It was to ensure alliances, binding powerful families together, and strengthening weaker families. It helped people survive in the barbaric era of early humanity. It was also to ensure that a mans children were biologically his. The female children were the mans property which he would bargain off to strengthen the power of his family while the male children would work and bring in money, also strengthening the family. Marriage existed long before Christianity existed, therefore it was created by man for survival purposes."

    Marriage has continuously evolved, and is still evolving today. It has never been static, even though many religious leaders would like you to think otherwise. And to say that only religion has a right to decide who can get married is wrong, at least on a government recognition basis. Do not confuse civil marriage with religious marriage.


    30192_441938799391_637239391_5682039_323


    Any laws in society that are designed to make glbt people lesser humans than the rest of society must go. Period. Civil Unions are not marriage. If you need to learn more, please review the transcripts of the prop 8 trial. Civil Unions would create a second class citizen. Also see the transcript from the MA Supreme Court, Goodridge v. Dep't of Health, as one example.



    Now go and look at the gay communities dark past, we where not and am not a bunch of saints. The thought of gays killing each other in the 80s just because they did not want their dick to miss out on the party is forever tattooed in my memory; wait that still goes on. People who live in glass houses.



    Convoluted logic and bad grammar make such a lovely mix.
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    Oct 14, 2010 1:34 PM GMT
    Any religion may have a tendency to condemn. The hypocrisy will not end until the insane zealots are no longer allowed to take positions of leadership and twist the context of their religious books for their own purposes and bigoted hate mongering. There is a type of individual who will use any method possible to stir up hatred and violence. Unfortunately there are enough of those and enough followers who are only too willing to go along with them that the general population is in continual danger, not just regarding sexuality, but any subject they can find a way to use for their destructive purposes.

    These individuals pose as all types of people. But, they have a tendency to pose most often as psychiatrists or psychologists, bankers, news media, religious leaders, government officials or executives for big business, primarily pharmaceutical. Those who become psychiatrists or psychologists do so because they want the authority to condemn good people as insane. They generally try to attack and destroy artists because artists tend to bring people's spirits up.

    They get away with what they do because the average person does not believe that they are truly evil. I couldn't count the number of times I've heard other people say things like "If they knew what they were doing, they wouldn't be doing it." This is not true. They KNOW what they are doing. And they are doing it intentionally.

    In history, notorious examples of this type of person are Hitler, Charles Manson, just to name two. Some stay hidden behind a public figure that they control, for instance Osama bin Laden's primary advisor has a degree in psychiatry and uses his knowledge to create willing suicide bombers.

    Until people accept the fact that there do exist individuals who are indeed intentionally and knowingly hell bent on causing the most harm possible, and will use any means to trick others into hating, and until a good portion of the population learn how to truly identify them for what and who they are, and isolate them, the hate and bigotry will continue.
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    Oct 14, 2010 3:36 PM GMT
    aunty_jack saidNow go and look at the gay communities dark past, we where not and am not a bunch of saints. The thought of gays killing each other in the 80s just because they did not want their dick to miss out on the party is forever tattooed in my memory; wait that still goes on. People who live in glass houses.


    Do you just string random words together and type them here?