homosexuality taught in school?

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    Mar 03, 2008 4:43 PM GMT
    Im sure many of you have heard the story of the 15 year old boy in Oxnard who was shot in school and ended up dying. If not heres a link to one of the stories on it.

    http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1714214,00.html

    My question is, do you think things like this could be prevented if homosexuality was taught in school. My major was health education before i just recently changed it to fitness and I know that it is not taught or even talked about really in any sex ed class or anywhere else in school. This leads me to feel that students develop their stereotypes and bias only from the TV, internet etc which have horrible stereotypes and students never learn the truth about homosexuality. Suicide and depression rates as we know are extremely high in gay teens and so again, do you think some of this violence and bullying could be diminished if students had proper education because I feel that a major reason as to why so much bullying occurs is because they just don't understand the subject. I'm not sure exactly what they would teach or anything its just a thought? Or do you think that its something that should just stay out of the classroom and something else should be done to help with the bullying problem and violence that is in our schools?
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    Mar 03, 2008 5:43 PM GMT
    What really is "teach homosexuality"?

    Is it teaching anal sex, teaching that some men love other men or is it even talking about homosexual men?

    Firstly, I know many hetrosexual couples that have anal sex, so maybe that should be taught anyway. Secondly I don't see why we should hide the fact tha gay men and gayelle women do exist. It's not different than saying that they are people in the world that like Carrots.

    It's just a matter of teaching tolerance for differences and exposing the youth to what some of those differences are. Most youth today are exposed to tolerance of racism, sexism and many other "ism", but tolerance for gays isn't high on that list being that according to many, it's a "choice".

    Let's teach tolerance for all. Part of that comes from understanding what the differences are and making a personal connection.
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    Mar 03, 2008 5:47 PM GMT
    Bias and stereotypes are one thing but hate, that is something that is taught/learned from other people; usually ones who are close to you (peers, family etc.)
    It is really sad but I don't think GSAs (Gay-Straight Alliances) exist in middle schools.
    When I was in HS we had one and we took it upon ourselves to educate everyone in the school on these issues because we knew that they wouldn't be addressed any other way. We did all sorts of things from faculty workshops, all school assemblies to posters on the walls with alarming statistics.
    I think when you are an adolescent, there are a lot of people (parents and teacher types) that have major issues w/ addressing this stuff. -especially in a public school.
    I can remember that there were parents that tried numerous times to shut our GSA down, just because of their personal views. Since we were an after-school group and didn't force ourselves on anyone, they always failed whenever they tried. icon_biggrin.gif
    Although, I'm sure they would have succeeded if I had been at a private school...
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    Mar 03, 2008 5:48 PM GMT
    WildCuddler saidWhat really is "teach homosexuality"?

    It's just a matter of teaching tolerance for differences and exposing the youth to what some of those differences are. Most youth today are exposed to tolerance of racism, sexism and many other "ism", but tolerance for gays isn't high on that list being that according to many, it's a "choice".

    Let's teach tolerance for all. Part of that comes from understanding what the differences are and making a personal connection.


    -RIGHT ON!
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    Mar 03, 2008 5:51 PM GMT
    Tolerance is very important and I thought this was being taught now but I'm not sure that hearing it at school will drive home the point if it's not taught or exercised at home.

    If this type of intolerance happens in California, then we have a LONG way to go. It seems that most people out here are very sensitive to other (for the most part). But again, if you live in an environment where tolerance, regardless, is not embraced then I'm not sure the schools stand much of a chance.

    That being said, the idea of including homosexuality at any level in the curriculum would seem a long way off, unfortunately. I just don't see the public agreement of that. They can't even agree how to teach children how to avoid unwanted pregnancy. Hmmm... there's a thought, kill 2 birds with one stone, homosexuality and unwanted pregnancies! Oh if people were just more open.
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    Mar 03, 2008 6:02 PM GMT
    They did teach it here in the uk but no idea if they still do about homosexuality in general and the difference to hetro'.. So guess you are still in the dark ages then?

    But i think most kids are wise anyway these days and know the difference? Do they teach religious studies still?

  • HndsmKansan

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    Mar 03, 2008 6:06 PM GMT
    I think the right wing would have a field day if this kind of thing happened. The conservative cause has been eclipsed over the last couple of years by incompetence. Suggesting this would prove boyant
    to their cause... I can just hear them now.
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    Mar 03, 2008 6:10 PM GMT
    Unfortunately HK I think you're right. But as the population ages, I think that group is losing their grip. Younger people are beginning to realize that there are many different types of people in this world, it's not a one size fits all and that they CAN all get along. I'm not sure how long it will be but when I look at the younger guys on here and listen to what they're saying I'm encouraged that there's hope on the horizon. Hope for tolerance and hope for the destruction of the conservatives who promote intolerance and selfishness.
  • irishkcguy

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    Mar 03, 2008 7:00 PM GMT
    I think it's imperative that schools teach RESPECT for all human beings, not just tolerance.

    There was a thread on here a few weeks ago about bullying in school and I was sort of shocked to read the number of posts by people claiming they were bullied in school and seemed to find it a good thing, that it made them stronger. The incident that happened in Oxnard is bullying just taken one degree further. Clearly schools are failing today with teaching how to deal with people who aren't like you. They are also failing to curb the growing bullying problem and often basic security on campus. After Cloumbine, Va. Tech and all the other school shootings that have happened all across America, most schools are still dealing with this growing trend by simply believing it will never happen in their school or their community.

    I taught high school and coached sports for 10 years and I would have never revealed being gay. The parents would have completely freaked out and feared I would corrupt their kids in some way. If that is the role modeling going on at home, it is little wonder that the kid in Oxnard reacted as he did and shot his classmate?

    I have posted this before pertaining to this topic but I think it bears repeating: when the local news stations in LA started to report the story, they did not report that the shooting was homophobic in nature. They simply reported that the student who was shot was killed for being "different." Perhaps they had not yet been able to confirm whether or not the teen in question was gay, but it struck me as very odd the media did not reveal that information, as if it were taboo to talk about.
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    Mar 03, 2008 7:23 PM GMT
    An objective and intelligent curriculum on human sexuality period would be a step forward in schools. With the number of Christian fundamentalists in the USA that will be a real struggle. After all if you can't even accept the theory of Evolution then homosexuality, bisexuality, and transsexuality are way beyond your comprehension and tolerance. But that is just my opinion, although in this instance I would love to be proved wrong.
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    Mar 03, 2008 10:47 PM GMT
    False belief systems, are, by definition, delusional. As you stated, that's going to be a real stretch for them to go into truth-based beliefs.
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    Mar 04, 2008 3:03 AM GMT
    I don't think homosexuality should be taught to youth as any act between two people of the same gender.( ie: anal, fisting, oral, etc.) It should be good enough to explain to youth that people are, more often than not, attracted to the same gender. Let their own ethics code decide what form that affection should take.icon_neutral.gif

    As for the Christianity and the Religious Reich, just throw the account of David and Jonathan in their face. One of a few important and oft disregarded examples of same-gender attracted men in the Bible. icon_rolleyes.gif

    Gender-bending is an entirely different issue altogether...icon_sad.gif
  • youngkid

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    Mar 04, 2008 6:32 AM GMT
    Not here in Aus.
    I'm in my final year here and go to an all boys school.
    In 7 years of sex-ed i've never heard anything about being gay, Even in the classes which talk about sexuality. The sexuality ones always straight away led to talking about preventing pregnancy.

    But i really don't think it'd matter or do anything. If we did talk about homosexuality every person in class would just yell out stuff like faggot when the teacher talks.
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    Mar 04, 2008 12:39 PM GMT
    Preaching tolerance sure. Though I wouldn't go as far as exposing straight youths to homosexual sex education LOL. Maybe just a general idea.

    A separate sex education class for 'out' gay students should also be part of the curriculum.

    I think it would prevent a lot of homophobia if the educators themselves show acceptance (or even just tolerance) of homosexuality. It takes away its potency as a weapon by bullies a little bit.
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    Mar 05, 2008 5:40 AM GMT
    I reckon the most important is teachers are tolerant.
    Here they look on the outside to a majority of the class to be against discrimination, but when i did extracurricular activites, and something remotely gay was brought up, you'd sometimes hear or see teachers putting on their best gay stereotype voice and going limp wrist to a few students.

    always get me angry icon_evil.gif
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    Mar 05, 2008 8:56 AM GMT
    Straight male teachers are the worst (particularly gym teachers). Luckily, most schools here have at least one openly gay teacher. More often than not, they're class favorites. icon_razz.gif
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    Mar 05, 2008 5:11 PM GMT
    i agree in that i think tolerance should be taught as well as respect, I think it could go a long way with bullying and acceptance of gay students. I still think it wouldnt be a bad idea to at least bring up the idea of homosexuality in the sexuality lesson instead of only talking about heterosexuality and preventing pregnancies. I mean there are obviously gay teens out there who participate in sex and its not fair that they are not taught safe practices and the safe practices are only taught to heterosexual students. They need to know the risks just like the heterosexual teens do but unfortunately I dont see this happening or maybe even working. Or maybe if they dont discuss it in the lecture, teachers can at least give information on who to contact, places to go or something like that were teens can get the proper information they need.
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    Mar 05, 2008 5:16 PM GMT
    I had a handful of male teachers who I wish could teach me homosexuality icon_wink.gif
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    Mar 05, 2008 5:24 PM GMT
    Beware of the gays, boys. That's all you need to know. Even if you are too tired to walk after baseball practice, don't get into a car with the bald gay guy.

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    Mar 05, 2008 5:26 PM GMT
    I think you Sexuality Education, teaching the youth about sexual diversity and how there's no right or wrong state of being; which was always intergrated with Sex Education, teaching the youth about how procreation/intercourse occur. I think they once taught or at least illustrated racial tolerance back when I was a kid and before, but after race quit being and issue in the majority of the schools they stopped it.

    I think they should make two different kinds of schools. Those for the kids of the ignorant parents; and those for the kids of socially aware parents, that way we won't have a tug of war in the schools and the news. Then, after the kids have grown up and they enter the work world the world will which system produced more of the 'good people' and less of the 'bad people'. Oh yeah, and the kids should have a say in which school they want to be in, if they turn out to be gay, or just smarter than their parents.