Reiki Healing

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    Oct 06, 2010 9:49 PM GMT
    I recently just got certified as a level one Reiki healer. I was curious if anybody else does it or would be interested in chatting about experiences. I've had some weird ones during Reiki sessions, so if anybody's interested i'd love to hear.
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    Oct 07, 2010 6:27 AM GMT
    MuchMoreThanMuscle saidCongratulations on your first level certification!

    I have done all three levels. I finished the third level ten years ago. The teacher I worked with had a class that lasted a year in length for the final third level. We would meet up once a month and then for our third initiation we flew to Sedona, Arizona and had our last initiation in this sacred area of the U.S.A. There are a lot of up-shoot and down-shoot vortex energy pathways in this area. Native Americans have touted this since they colonized this area.

    Working with energy like this does wake up clairvoyance and psychic energy. It has been quite interesting to say the least. icon_smile.gif


    Thank you very much. I agree with you about waking up talents. So are you a Master now? I'm really looking to try to get into the higher levels. I've done some sessions with clients and amazed by the things I pick up from my clients.
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    Oct 07, 2010 6:29 AM GMT
    I had one form of healing, alot like reiki, it was laying hands on and stuff....

    She would ground all the spots in my body where energy was cramped up and let me talk my way through my issues... at the end I felt so heavy I could not get up... I was all grounded, I felt calmer after that than I had in a long time
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    Oct 07, 2010 6:33 AM GMT
    My aunt is a level three reiki practitioner and has attuned me up to level two. Her classes are a lot of fun and I still take them from time to time. Not sure if I am up for the commitment it "should" take to go to level three.

    I love hearing people's stories during the classes. Whats strange is when you get to talking about the flow of energy, and even the novices have similar stories to share in which they describe similar findings. Something should be said for wholistic healing...
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    Oct 07, 2010 6:45 AM GMT
    This is like the same thing as "the secret" right? If I focus the energy and thoughts, good stuff will happen?

    Excuse my ignorance, but I largely feel that only tangible things control our world... Yes electricity is not "tangible" in the sense that we can touch it...but it is measurable and very real... I don't feel that I, or other people have auras.... I mean... maybe an inferred aura...but that's not the same obviously. Any energy wave that you could speak of... should be readable by electronics... so, how does this all work?

    My aunt once told me she'd reiki my water logged iPod touch...Needless to say, it's still broken. And another time I had a wicked stomach ache at the bar and some guy i knew came up to me and put his hands on my stomach...the ache stayed... even after I politely told him to stop touching me.

    Does reiki ever work? Like heal people with degenerative diseases? How do you gauge an effective session?
  • Delivis

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    Oct 07, 2010 6:52 AM GMT
    Indeed. It is completely lacking in good evidence (anecdotes do not count as good evidence) and the supposed mechanism is pure magical thinking. It is entirely a product of congnitive biases, self deception.
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    Oct 07, 2010 7:20 AM GMT
    dash3echo saidThis is like the same thing as "the secret" right? If I focus the energy and thoughts, good stuff will happen?

    Excuse my ignorance, but I largely feel that only tangible things control our world... Yes electricity is not "tangible" in the sense that we can touch it...but it is measurable and very real... I don't feel that I, or other people have auras.... I mean... maybe an inferred aura...but that's not the same obviously. Any energy wave that you could speak of... should be readable by electronics... so, how does this all work?

    My aunt once told me she'd reiki my water logged iPod touch...Needless to say, it's still broken. And another time I had a wicked stomach ache at the bar and some guy i knew came up to me and put his hands on my stomach...the ache stayed... even after I politely told him to stop touching me.

    Does reiki ever work? Like heal people with degenerative diseases? How do you gauge an effective session?


    LOL no way, reiki is no good for all that superstitious mumbo-jumbo... nor does it give you what you want.. it just allows you to accept what you already have, and takes awayyour stress and anxiety about an imagined future, and your body just follows suit, because every mental stressor causes physical stress...

    Its been proven scientifically: people with high-stress lives, risk heart disease, bowel problems, muscular cramps etc.....

    all because your body's nervous system responds to stress.. reiki just takes stress away, its not magic
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    Oct 07, 2010 3:07 PM GMT
    amar_m said
    Its been proven scientifically: people with high-stress lives, risk heart disease, bowel problems, muscular cramps etc.....



    Sorry but no. Reiki and all forms of vitalism for that matter have zero scientific validity, plausibility, or support.
  • Abc123456

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    Oct 07, 2010 6:36 PM GMT
    A good friend of mine is an epidemiologist and it's proven statistically that people who have a positive outlook on the healing process, and getting better, do in fact have a substantially higher rate of getting better. They dont know why though
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    Oct 07, 2010 6:50 PM GMT
    dash3echo saidA good friend of mine is an epidemiologist and it's proven statistically that people who have a positive outlook on the healing process, and getting better, do in fact have a substantially higher rate of getting better. They dont know why though


    Isnt that the same as when you get told you are being exposed to an allergen, your body beginds to respond automatically as if you have actually been exposed to the allergen?? Like if somebody with allergy for pollen is being told they're entering a greenhouse, they aleady may begin to sneeze.... Its the opposite of the placebo effect (lets call it the nocebo effect).. your mental state influences your body's reactions, is the theory...

    Asking why is kind of useless, the better question is "how"
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    Oct 07, 2010 6:55 PM GMT
    I swear by my weekly bath of hogwash
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    Oct 07, 2010 7:00 PM GMT
    Delivis saidIndeed. It is completely lacking in good evidence (anecdotes do not count as good evidence) and the supposed mechanism is pure magical thinking. It is entirely a product of congnitive biases, self deception.


    Go drown yourself. Or just stop reading this sort of thread.
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    Oct 07, 2010 7:04 PM GMT
    Lostboy said
    Delivis saidIndeed. It is completely lacking in good evidence (anecdotes do not count as good evidence) and the supposed mechanism is pure magical thinking. It is entirely a product of congnitive biases, self deception.


    Go drown yourself. Or just stop reading this sort of thread.


    Meanie. What's the point of a thread like this if there's no discussion from either side?
  • shirty

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    Oct 07, 2010 7:16 PM GMT
    Delivis saidIndeed. It is completely lacking in good evidence (anecdotes do not count as good evidence) and the supposed mechanism is pure magical thinking. It is entirely a product of congnitive biases, self deception.


    Why do you need evidence for something that has no negative side to it? If someone goes to a reiki healer and leaves feeling better, isn't that good enough? I don't understand why people need scientific proof for everything. Science is ever changing as we learn more about how the world works.

    Have you ever even had a reiki treatment? I'm going to assume you haven't. But you should try something before you judge it so harshly.
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    Oct 07, 2010 9:25 PM GMT
    shirty said
    Delivis saidIndeed. It is completely lacking in good evidence (anecdotes do not count as good evidence) and the supposed mechanism is pure magical thinking. It is entirely a product of congnitive biases, self deception.


    Why do you need evidence for something that has no negative side to it? If someone goes to a reiki healer and leaves feeling better, isn't that good enough? I don't understand why people need scientific proof for everything. Science is ever changing as we learn more about how the world works.

    Have you ever even had a reiki treatment? I'm going to assume you haven't. But you should try something before you judge it so harshly.


    I was not objecting to someone going to get something with no negative side to it. I think in some cases I would even encourage someone to get something like reiki, or another elaborate placebo when perhaps nothing else can be done for them.

    What I was objecting to is any statement that reiki works, that it has any scientific validation or even plausibility.

    Not only have i had plenty of reiki treatments, as some of my friends at one point were very new-agey, i even did the level one course. Not that this matters - at all. I no more need personal experience with reiki to conclude it to be nonsense than I need personal experience with my humours being drained or numerology or alien abduction to conclude the same for them.
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    Oct 07, 2010 9:26 PM GMT
    Lostboy said
    Delivis saidIndeed. It is completely lacking in good evidence (anecdotes do not count as good evidence) and the supposed mechanism is pure magical thinking. It is entirely a product of congnitive biases, self deception.


    Go drown yourself. Or just stop reading this sort of thread.


    Aww you poor thing. How aweful it must be for people in the world to exist with beliefs different from your own.
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    Oct 07, 2010 9:29 PM GMT
    Can someone Reiki me pls icon_razz.gif
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    Oct 07, 2010 9:30 PM GMT
    icon_rolleyes.gif sorry but thats all I really have to say on this topic. If some-one condition is all in their head then yes they can be healed, if the belive it will work for them.
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    Oct 07, 2010 9:35 PM GMT
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    Lostboy said
    Delivis saidIndeed. It is completely lacking in good evidence (anecdotes do not count as good evidence) and the supposed mechanism is pure magical thinking. It is entirely a product of congnitive biases, self deception.


    Go drown yourself. Or just stop reading this sort of thread.


    Meanie. What's the point of a thread like this if there's no discussion from either side?


    Because its a discusion that is no discussion.... its just people saying "I dont believe you" to the ones who have actually tried it before babe
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    Oct 07, 2010 9:37 PM GMT
    aunty_jack saidicon_rolleyes.gif sorry but thats all I really have to say on this topic. If some-one condition is all in their head then yes they can be healed, if the belive it will work for them.


    IF the condtion is all in their head?

    Thats such hogwash I cant believe Im reading it..

    Asthma is all in your head?

    Allergies are all i your head??

    Aches and pains are all i our heads?

    If that were the case, blood tests would not show an allergic reaction to allergens, wel they do.. and still mental stress influences this, every doctor knows this
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    Oct 07, 2010 9:41 PM GMT
    Gbob saidCan someone Reiki me pls icon_razz.gif


    LOL ME I CAN!!! icon_razz.gif
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    Oct 07, 2010 9:42 PM GMT
    shirty said
    Delivis saidIndeed. It is completely lacking in good evidence (anecdotes do not count as good evidence) and the supposed mechanism is pure magical thinking. It is entirely a product of congnitive biases, self deception.


    Why do you need evidence for something that has no negative side to it? If someone goes to a reiki healer and leaves feeling better, isn't that good enough? I don't understand why people need scientific proof for everything. Science is ever changing as we learn more about how the world works.

    Have you ever even had a reiki treatment? I'm going to assume you haven't. But you should try something before you judge it so harshly.


    DOnt bother answering him, hes on a perpetual cycle of the same arguments over and over... he's not interested in gaining knowledge, just in being a fundamentalist thinker
  • aus_Sean36

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    Oct 07, 2010 9:49 PM GMT
    Congratulations on your Reiki attunement. I've been teaching reiki for the past 10 years or so. I tend to teach it from a a more "pragmatic" position as I'm not into all the other BS that often is attached to it.

    To me, it's a simple and effective healing system that can exist on it's own without all the voodoo that usually gets attached it to. I also cringe at the excessive amounts people charge to 'teach' something that is so intuitive.

    I come from a very logical basis (Law/Accounting) and look at life very pragmatically and try to reason everything out. With reiki, I just had to go with my gut and experience. I haven't bothered to go searching for scientific evidence, longitudinal studies and other quantifiable explanations for its effectiveness or otherwise. With this, I just go with the flow.

    Happy to chat with anyone about it directly if you're interested.


  • neosyllogy

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    Oct 07, 2010 10:05 PM GMT
    WooHoooo!
    Story TIme! icon_smile.gif

    RadioLab NYC:
    The Placebo Effect

    http://www.radiolab.org/2007/may/17/ On the effects of belief on bodily function. Also available as a podcast.

    (No, really, I think everyone [all "sides", if you must use such distasteful language] will like this.)

    ps: I think we should all agree that any opportunity to use "up-shoot" and "down-shoot" "vortices" in conversation can't be all bad.
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    Oct 07, 2010 10:17 PM GMT
    I'm a pretty open guy but i don't see how far reiki gets past just a simple placebo effect.

    so reiki guys, wanna shed some light on this for me.

    i know you'll take the side of reiki positively but lets be honest, it's something to be skeptical about.

    as humans we naturally reach out to things that arnt tangible like religion etc. is reiki just another way we reach out for things we don't understand or is there actually tangible evidence that reiki works past being a placebo?

    dont take offence but as someone on the outside of the circle this looks like a waste of time and money...

    and to poke fun i bet i'd be happier n healthier if i bought a damn shake weight!

    but im excited to see what the reiki guys have to say.