Fire departments, health insurance and vaccinations

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    Oct 07, 2010 8:11 PM GMT
    So Glenn Beck, in his wisdom, mocks Cranick (the Olbion County fire victim):

    "If you don't pay the 75 dollars then that hurts the fire department. They can't use those resources, and you'd be sponging off your neighbor's resources."

    2 points I want to make with this little clip:

    1. Reasonable argument for common goods. I agree with him in essence.

    SO WHAT'S HIS ARGUMENT AGAINST EXTENDING MEDICAL INSURANCE TO MORE PEOPLE? People who don't pay medical insurance are free riders, and when they get sick, they are sponging off those who are making insurance payments.

    Of course, if you can put the $75 and vaccination IN LAW, or have universal health coverage (i.e. get rid of insurance altogether), such things won't happen. But we're a free people and nobody is going to mandate anything on our bodies and property, right? icon_lol.gif

    [BTW, this is rich coming from Glenn Beck who frightened people against the swine flu vaccine in 2009, and the pandemic could have been easily more devastating than it turned out to be. (I've taken care of several people who died from it)]

    2. So using the analogy of people who don't get vaccines because they are sponging off herd immunity...but we still treat them when they get the disease prevented by the vaccine (e.g. flu, diphtheria, measles, mumps, polio). Yes, they are already sick and their house is already on fire, but the compassionate and right thing is to treat them and to put out the fire, and them let them deal with the financial consequences of paying you back for the treatment and fire extinguishing. That's called lack of insurance, and it happens all the time in the real world.

    What happened to compassion and common decency? Does there need to be an EMTALA law (governs ER treatments for everybody regardless of insurance) for fire deparments?
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    Oct 07, 2010 8:41 PM GMT
    q1w2e3 saidWhat happened to compassion and common decency?
    It blew out the window with capitalistic greed...money is more important than people.

    q1w2e3 saidDoes there need to be an EMTALA law (governs ER treatments for everybody regardless of insurance) for fire deparments?
    Yes.
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    Oct 07, 2010 9:11 PM GMT
    wikipedia on the anticompetitive and evil city fire departmentsIn the late 19th century, the demand of central command for fire companies took place within cities because the fire companies would fight over fires or not put out an fire because the owners didn't have fire insurance. Insured properties had plaques with the insurance company's names affixed to their exterior called fire marks. This caused areas of a city to be badly damage by fires and caused many deaths. Cities started to form their own fire departments as a civil service to the public, forcing private fire companies to shut down, and merging their fire stations into the city's fire department.