Alternative medicine is dangerous.

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    Oct 08, 2010 4:53 PM GMT
    Scientists and MDs oppose the use of altertative medicine because it doesn't work.
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    Oct 08, 2010 4:58 PM GMT
    and 4 out of 5 dentists recommend Sensodyne for sensitive teeth
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    Oct 08, 2010 5:04 PM GMT
    serioushat saidScientists and MDs oppose the use of altertative medicine because it doesn't work.

    Ah, you gotta give us more than this.
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    Oct 09, 2010 7:47 AM GMT
    Scientists and MDs oppose anything that doesn't pay them for endorsements.
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    Oct 09, 2010 8:00 AM GMT
    Caslon and Paul: Thank you!

    OP: Proof? If one wishes to start a debate, one must be able to back up their statements with proof.

    An interesting article:
    http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2010/10/06/the-real-cause-of-americas-mental-illness-problem.aspx?aid=CD945

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    Oct 09, 2010 8:04 AM GMT
    paulflexes saidScientists and MDs oppose anything that doesn't pay them for endorsements.


    Win.
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    Oct 09, 2010 8:11 AM GMT
    Wow...LOL!!!!
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    Oct 09, 2010 8:16 AM GMT
    I had a client with "frozen shoulder" who thought she needed surgery for the pain she was in. She had an MRI scheduled and consultations scheduled with surgeons. I hooked her up with my massage therapist. A month later (massages twice a week and stretching on the days in between) she feels NO pain and has FULL range of motion. Saved her pain, suffering, a HUGE hospital bill and MONTHS of physical therapy. All from an ALTERNATIVE healing practice. Stick that in your Nay-saying pipe and smoke it.
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    Oct 09, 2010 8:55 AM GMT
    Hilarious... "dangerous" hugest sack of shit I have EVER heard..

    Western medicine, now THATS dangerous.... operations going with ACTUAL DEATH RISKS... you ll never see an alternative healer perscribe somethig with a risk of death

    Get serious or get outta here
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    Oct 09, 2010 9:06 AM GMT
    MeOhMy said
    paulflexes saidScientists and MDs oppose anything that doesn't pay them for endorsements.


    Win.


    Why am I not surprised lol
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    Oct 09, 2010 9:24 AM GMT
    There are many things wrong with Western medicine--a lot of it has due with corruption/greed and big phrama (mixing business with science and medicine too much).

    However, that does not mean we should replace our current model--based on the scientific method, research, and clinical trials--and replace it on a model that has very little evidence to support it.

    For many alternative therapies, the placebo effect is what keeps them alive.

    Homeopathy, Reiki, Light Therapy... where's the credible peer-reviewed evidence? I’d be willing to accept certain alternative therapies if they stood the test of clinical trials and the scientific method.

    I would much rather focus on the faults of Western medicine and try to find solutions to those problems. For example: Focus more on preventative medicine rather than solely treating the symptoms.





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    Oct 09, 2010 9:41 AM GMT
    amar_m saidHilarious... "dangerous" hugest sack of shit I have EVER heard..

    Western medicine, now THATS dangerous.... operations going with ACTUAL DEATH RISKS... you ll never see an alternative healer perscribe somethig with a risk of death

    Get serious or get outta here


    The risk of death is everywhere.

    My mom had surgery on Monday to remove fibroid tumors and her uterus (which contained more tumors). The tumors were getting so big that she was having a difficult time urinating--she needed a catheter put in. It was getting serious. If this has continued for too long, her kidneys could have been damaged. So those Western doctors decided to operate.

    What alternative therapies should my mom have tried instead?

    As for the risk of death--we risk our own death all the time in some way or another... we just don't recognize it.

    I drove two hours north on an interstate highway to go see my mother during her surgery. Statistically, tell me... who risked their life more?

    My mother--who, at the hands of an experienced gynecologist, had a routine surgery to remove uterine fibroids laparoscopically ?

    Or me, who drove two hours on a busy highway.
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    Oct 09, 2010 9:41 AM GMT
    Sam31488 saidI had a client with "frozen shoulder" who thought she needed surgery for the pain she was in. She had an MRI scheduled and consultations scheduled with surgeons. I hooked her up with my massage therapist. A month later (massages twice a week and stretching on the days in between) she feels NO pain and has FULL range of motion. Saved her pain, suffering, a HUGE hospital bill and MONTHS of physical therapy. All from an ALTERNATIVE healing practice. Stick that in your Nay-saying pipe and smoke it.


    I have so many stories like that, like the one who the doctors said would need an operation on the hip and would never walk..

    He goes to an acupuncturist, presto, hip is fine

    Placebo effect my ass...
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    Oct 09, 2010 10:21 AM GMT
    Caslon16000 said
    serioushat saidScientists and MDs oppose the use of altertative medicine because it doesn't work.

    Ah, you gotta give us more than this.



    Yeah. Where is this coming from.? Just wanted to make a statement or...?
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    Oct 09, 2010 10:25 AM GMT
    amar_m said
    Sam31488 saidI had a client with "frozen shoulder" who thought she needed surgery for the pain she was in. She had an MRI scheduled and consultations scheduled with surgeons. I hooked her up with my massage therapist. A month later (massages twice a week and stretching on the days in between) she feels NO pain and has FULL range of motion. Saved her pain, suffering, a HUGE hospital bill and MONTHS of physical therapy. All from an ALTERNATIVE healing practice. Stick that in your Nay-saying pipe and smoke it.


    I have so many stories like that, like the one who the doctors said would need an operation on the hip and would never walk..

    He goes to an acupuncturist, presto, hip is fine

    Placebo effect my ass...


    But anecdotal evidence is not a very compelling type of evidence. Western medicine isn't beyond the placebo effect (e.g. medications)--are alternative therapies?

    We have the scientific method for a reason. If acupuncture is indeed helpful to one’s health then it should be noticeable in double-blind clinical studies.

    Science is the best tool we have right now to study & falsify claims. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
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    Oct 09, 2010 10:39 AM GMT
    If it is proven by clinical trials then it won't be called alternative medicine, would it?
    If alternative medicines are held to the same manufacturing standards I would not object to them...because they likely won't be harmful even though they may not be efficacious. Right now, I just don't know for sure what's in the pill when I read the label.
    I agree that alt med often claims extraordinary effects which western medicine doesn't even claim. That should be banned.
    Let people who want their placebo effect take their alt meds.
    Look up glucosamine and the most recent JAMA paper on it and you'll see what I mean.
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    Oct 09, 2010 11:07 AM GMT
    Vitamine C and massage and accupuncture dont kill you... things by the FDA with quasi approval and a list of medicines and complications as long as I am tall do!!!

    The funny thing is you take as much as perscriped and it can acctualy kill you. Advair is a good example. People shorter than 5 feet tall taking lipitor at regular doses can actualy lower the blood preasure to leathal levels. (american journal of medicine)

    Did you know that eating whole steal milled oats along with a garlic suplement actualy was proven more effective than lipitor?

    If people lived healthy and used a whole being approch to taking care of themselvs and where not so stuck on instant cures they may live better and longer.

    Work with your body not against it. Any idiot that practices eastern medicine can tell you that and they have been around and doing it as a culture for the last 3000 years. Maybe just maybe they have a better handel on it than western medicinal practioners.


    Medicine is an art not a science.. be careful who your artist is.
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    Oct 09, 2010 11:15 AM GMT
    Acupuncture rules.
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    Oct 09, 2010 11:19 AM GMT
    Well...

    everything was an 'alternative' medicine then we tried them and what worked became medicine icon_twisted.gif
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    Oct 09, 2010 11:41 AM GMT
    serioushat saidScientists and MDs oppose the use of altertative medicine because it doesn't work.


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    Oct 09, 2010 11:55 AM GMT
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    serioushat saidScientists and MDs oppose the use of altertative medicine because it doesn't work.


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    Oct 09, 2010 12:05 PM GMT
    To ignore anything or throw something completely out is foolish.

    I had sciatica a few years ago and was prescribed a NSAID by a doctor and that was it. It is a good thing that I have a stomach of steel.
    After 2 years of being on it, I went to a Chiropractor and and through a series of adjustments the pain went away IN A MONTH and I got off of the meds.

    So, for me, a combination of both was effective. The MD was able to prescribe a relief drug which helped me mentally deal with pain, and then the holistic practitioner was able to understand the highly specialized relationship between movement, muscles, and nerves well enough to guide my body back to the way it should be, although the MD didn't want anything to do with the latter part. I wonder why? My guess is that he did not want to take a risk beyond solving a specific problem like prescribing pain medication or cutting something open and/ or removing it, which is too crude, obvious, and basic, in my opinion. I think this is how MDs are trained, so I don't fault them either. But, this kind of thinking has limitations.

    I think that as consumers of healthcare, we have to try to understand some things ourselves and try to navigate the whys and whos for ourselves.
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    Oct 09, 2010 7:02 PM GMT
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    paulflexes saidScientists and MDs oppose anything that doesn't pay them for endorsements.


    Win.


    Why am I not surprised lol


    Why do I not care?
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    Oct 09, 2010 7:07 PM GMT
    Loons who follow alternative medicine die. Good riddance. The world is a better place without such addled-brained people among us, and hopefully not breeding.
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    Oct 09, 2010 7:09 PM GMT
    Art_Deco saidLoons who follow alternative medicine die. Good riddance. The world is a better place without such addled-brained people among us, and hopefully not breeding.


    So glad to see that the ideas of eugenics are alive and well, even after the Holocaust! Speaking of people the world would be better without...